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  • AgentM72AgentM72
    Posts: 831
    It feels like a bit of a rushed product, but I've never personally understood the hate for it. Lots of fun, wonderful locations, truly iconic villain, and one of my personal favorite Fleming titles.
  • GetCarterGetCarter
    edited February 2019 Posts: 386
    There is a marvellously filthy, engaging, steamy thriller at the heart of Golden Gun.

    Just got to take a few sips of Phu Yuck along the way.

    Roger is truly bad ass in this film.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
    Posts: 2,632
    RC7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    DrClatterhand wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.

    I always found SP weird from the get go, which is why I’ve cut it some slack. There’s lots technically wrong with it, particularly in a narrative sense, but all I ask of my Bond’s is that they’re distinctive. For better or worse, I think SP is. Put it this way, I can’t imagine switching Bond out for any other character in either of CR, SF or SP, but it’s almost too easy to switch Matt Damon into QoS with little to no impact. It’s a generic film, that has none of the inventiveness or, indeed, oddities that make up the other three (to varying degrees).

    QoS is a film suffering an identity crisis. It tries too hard not to be a Bond film, unlike CR and SF, for example, which are trying to be a ‘different’ Bond films, but Bond films all the same.

    I wouldn’t say it’s an identity crisis. Bond’s state of mind in QoS was very different compared to Casino Royale. Vesper’s death affected him more than he’s willing to deal with and it’s affected his attitude towards dealing with others. He’s a bit colder and his action scenes are portraying that, although the pace of these scenes are too manic, exhibiting Bourne’s influence on QoS, but the events of Casino Royale shows that this change isn’t without reason. Outside of Bond’s character, the film stylistically is rather good and the major story issues were caused by the Writer’s Strike.

    When the film ends with Bond confronting Yusef, it’s almost a return to the Bond we know and love. And the editing was steadied enough to show that Bond has truly moved on. It’s not a film without flaws but it’s definitely a Bond film.
  • GetCarterGetCarter
    edited February 2019 Posts: 386
    For me, QoS feels like a John Glen movie. But not quite as good.

    SF is perplexing. It has a so many commendable elements and I totally understand the love i here and in a wider context.

    I just don’t like it and can’t bring myself to. Mostly due to Mendes’s ponderous style (already documented) but also because they explored Bond’s mortality.

    Please, please don’t explore Bond’s mortality. It doesn’t belong in the cinematic Bond universe.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    DrClatterhand wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.

    I always found SP weird from the get go, which is why I’ve cut it some slack. There’s lots technically wrong with it, particularly in a narrative sense, but all I ask of my Bond’s is that they’re distinctive. For better or worse, I think SP is. Put it this way, I can’t imagine switching Bond out for any other character in either of CR, SF or SP, but it’s almost too easy to switch Matt Damon into QoS with little to no impact. It’s a generic film, that has none of the inventiveness or, indeed, oddities that make up the other three (to varying degrees).

    QoS is a film suffering an identity crisis. It tries too hard not to be a Bond film, unlike CR and SF, for example, which are trying to be a ‘different’ Bond films, but Bond films all the same.

    I wouldn’t say it’s an identity crisis. Bond’s state of mind in QoS was very different compared to Casino Royale. Vesper’s death affected him more than he’s willing to deal with and it’s affected his attitude towards dealing with others. He’s a bit colder and his action scenes are portraying that, although the pace of these scenes are too manic, exhibiting Bourne’s influence on QoS, but the events of Casino Royale shows that this change isn’t without reason. Outside of Bond’s character, the film stylistically is rather good and the major story issues were caused by the Writer’s Strike.

    When the film ends with Bond confronting Yusef, it’s almost a return to the Bond we know and love. And the editing was steadied enough to show that Bond has truly moved on. It’s not a film without flaws but it’s definitely a Bond film.

    I’m not referring to the character, but the film itself.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,277
    I'm talking about the box office of Moore's TMWTGG, not his performance.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
    Posts: 2,632
    RC7 wrote: »
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    DrClatterhand wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.

    I always found SP weird from the get go, which is why I’ve cut it some slack. There’s lots technically wrong with it, particularly in a narrative sense, but all I ask of my Bond’s is that they’re distinctive. For better or worse, I think SP is. Put it this way, I can’t imagine switching Bond out for any other character in either of CR, SF or SP, but it’s almost too easy to switch Matt Damon into QoS with little to no impact. It’s a generic film, that has none of the inventiveness or, indeed, oddities that make up the other three (to varying degrees).

    QoS is a film suffering an identity crisis. It tries too hard not to be a Bond film, unlike CR and SF, for example, which are trying to be a ‘different’ Bond films, but Bond films all the same.

    I wouldn’t say it’s an identity crisis. Bond’s state of mind in QoS was very different compared to Casino Royale. Vesper’s death affected him more than he’s willing to deal with and it’s affected his attitude towards dealing with others. He’s a bit colder and his action scenes are portraying that, although the pace of these scenes are too manic, exhibiting Bourne’s influence on QoS, but the events of Casino Royale shows that this change isn’t without reason. Outside of Bond’s character, the film stylistically is rather good and the major story issues were caused by the Writer’s Strike.

    When the film ends with Bond confronting Yusef, it’s almost a return to the Bond we know and love. And the editing was steadied enough to show that Bond has truly moved on. It’s not a film without flaws but it’s definitely a Bond film.

    I’m not referring to the character, but the film itself.

    I get that part. I thought the film style was intentionally reflective of Bond himself.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited February 2019 Posts: 11,139
    QoS is Craig's second best Bond film and also his second best Bond performance; and RANKS as the third best Bond film in the last 24 years....and that's all with a dodgy, cobbled together script and highly questionable editing choices.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,462
    A recap of the recent location rumors for anyone who missed the news:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/amp26249265/weve-got-more-intel-on-where-bond-25-is-shooting/
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    @doubleoego What are your thoughts on Blood Stone?
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,541
    Roger is by far the most versatile and flexible bond of all who can play it rough, charming and romantic in the same film.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,541
    Getafix wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.

    Agreed about Roger's performance he was at his best in TMWTGG & OP

    I enjoy all Roger's films, some more than others. But I don't think anyone can deny he hit his stride with OHMSS.

    Despite it's iconic status I find LaLD one of his most lacklustre entries. SPY by contrast is just firing on all cylinders.

    Gun is highly entertaining but OP is perhaps my favourite Rog entry.

    Same here never a dull moment with Roger. I watched OP twice last year, it has high rewatchabality than any of his bond films.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,541
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.
    Agreed about Roger's performance he was at his best in TMWTGG & OP
    “Per ora, e per il momento che verra. To this moment and the moment yet to come.”

    That line is delivered so smoothly you know he’s the man to look up to when you have to impress a woman on a date. I raise my glass to Moore in applause every time I hear him saying that line.

    “There’s a useful four letter word, and you’re full of it. When I kill it’s on the specific orders of my government. And those I kill are themselves killers.”

    He sounded very threatening there and very Bondian it draws a smile on my face in admiration of the man. One of Moore’s finest moments.

    Great lines thanks for reminding. I am going to make a tribute for bond and Roger's bond separately. Those lines would be great to add in it.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,195
    Resurrection wrote: »
    Roger is by far the most versatile and flexible bond of all who can play it rough, charming and romantic in the same film.

    A quality Hugh Jackman could have brought to the role . It rare that an actor can convincingly do both.
    Unfortunately, Moore favored the lighter, more cavalier, at times silly side of the character as his tenure progressed.

  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,541
    talos7 wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    Roger is by far the most versatile and flexible bond of all who can play it rough, charming and romantic in the same film.

    A quality Hugh Jackman could have brought to the role . It rare that an actor can convincingly do both.
    Unfortunately, Moore favored the lighter, more cavalier, at times silly side of the character as his tenure progressed.

    I couldn't find any replacement for Hugh Jackman at the moment for bond. Damn good Actors are hard to find these days.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    Getafix wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.

    Agreed about Roger's performance he was at his best in TMWTGG & OP

    I enjoy all Roger's films, some more than others. But I don't think anyone can deny he hit his stride with OHMSS.

    I always felt Roger turned in his best performance in Goldeneye, but Never Say Never Again was certainly the low point of his career.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Minion wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.

    Agreed about Roger's performance he was at his best in TMWTGG & OP

    I enjoy all Roger's films, some more than others. But I don't think anyone can deny he hit his stride with OHMSS.

    I always felt Roger turned in his best performance in Goldeneye, but Never Say Never Again was certainly the low point of his career.
    Welcome back. :D
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited February 2019 Posts: 1,165
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.

    Agreed about Roger's performance he was at his best in TMWTGG & OP

    I enjoy all Roger's films, some more than others. But I don't think anyone can deny he hit his stride with OHMSS.

    I always felt Roger turned in his best performance in Goldeneye, but Never Say Never Again was certainly the low point of his career.
    Welcome back. :D

    I never left ;)
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
    Posts: 349
    Minion wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    TSWLM is definitely superior to three of its predecessors but anyone complaining about Roger’s performance as Bond in his first two would be biased like hell. He gave a terrific performance in TMWTGG alone.

    Agreed about Roger's performance he was at his best in TMWTGG & OP

    I enjoy all Roger's films, some more than others. But I don't think anyone can deny he hit his stride with OHMSS.

    I always felt Roger turned in his best performance in Goldeneye, but Never Say Never Again was certainly the low point of his career.

    He never quite hit the heights of Sean Connery in The Man Who Haunted Himself.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    David Arnold on his status for Bond 25:

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,970
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    David Arnold on his status for Bond 25:

    Good to hear something at least. Also, they haven't even started shooting yet so I suppose it's the last thing on their mind at this moment in time.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,046
    I hope Arnold returns
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
    Posts: 832
    All 4 of craig’s film are in my top/ bottem 5. Qos is literally the one above sp.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,046
    I rank CR and QoS in and around my top ten, SF and SP are in my bottom five currently.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    @doubleoego What are your thoughts on Blood Stone?

    I thought it was a fantastic game and deserved a sequel. Definitely an underrated game in genetal and driving the db5 was easily one of the best levels on the game. Overall it gave one a pretty good idea as to what a non personal Craig Bond film could be like. The game still holds up very well and the musical score is definitely much better than SF's and SP's.

    In fact, this weekend I'm going to watch Doctor No, FRWL, CR and QoS then cap the weekend off replaying some of Blood Stone.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,462
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    David Arnold on his status for Bond 25:


    Not a very positive or negative post, but I do have a feeling they’re going to bring in a new composer. It might end being a great thing, though I love Arnold’s Bond scores and think he was the best composer we got after Barry.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,205
    doubleoego wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    @doubleoego What are your thoughts on Blood Stone?

    I thought it was a fantastic game and deserved a sequel. Definitely an underrated game in genetal and driving the db5 was easily one of the best levels on the game. Overall it gave one a pretty good idea as to what a non personal Craig Bond film could be like. The game still holds up very well and the musical score is definitely much better than SF's and SP's.

    In fact, this weekend I'm going to watch Doctor No, FRWL, CR and QoS then cap the weekend off replaying some of Blood Stone.

    Agreed with this - had loads of fun with Blood Stone.

    Sounds like a fun weekend - enjoy, @doubleoego
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    @doubleoego What are your thoughts on Blood Stone?

    I thought it was a fantastic game and deserved a sequel. Definitely an underrated game in genetal and driving the db5 was easily one of the best levels on the game. Overall it gave one a pretty good idea as to what a non personal Craig Bond film could be like. The game still holds up very well and the musical score is definitely much better than SF's and SP's.

    In fact, this weekend I'm going to watch Doctor No, FRWL, CR and QoS then cap the weekend off replaying some of Blood Stone.

    Agreed with this - had loads of fun with Blood Stone.

    Sounds like a fun weekend - enjoy, @doubleoego

    Cheers. I have no intention on going anywhere or seeing anyone this weekend. It's me, Bond and a cracking good time. If time permits I may even throw in to the mix OHMSS or GE.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    Posts: 5,767
    Getafix wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    DrClatterhand wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
    Precisely. In spite of its weaknesses, QoS is very fun to watch. I don't get bored with it in the slightest.

    I don't get bored with any of DC's Bond films. SP is the weakest entry of them, but I still watch it and get much out of it. In fact, SP has quickly become the "weirdest" of all Bond films, and by "weird" I don't mean in a David Lynch sort of way. I mean that there are tonal, dramatic, setting, and casting oddities that ultimately make a film so forgettable that it in turn it becomes unforgettable.

    I always found SP weird from the get go, which is why I’ve cut it some slack. There’s lots technically wrong with it, particularly in a narrative sense, but all I ask of my Bond’s is that they’re distinctive. For better or worse, I think SP is. Put it this way, I can’t imagine switching Bond out for any other character in either of CR, SF or SP, but it’s almost too easy to switch Matt Damon into QoS with little to no impact. It’s a generic film, that has none of the inventiveness or, indeed, oddities that make up the other three (to varying degrees).

    QoS is a film suffering an identity crisis. It tries too hard not to be a Bond film, unlike CR and SF, for example, which are trying to be a ‘different’ Bond films, but Bond films all the same.

    Profound misunderstanding of QOS IMO.

    Possibly the most Bondian film we've had since 1987.

    Far more reminiscent of very early Bond than anything else Craig has been in.

    It's chocca full of classic Bondian elements but with a slight fresh. It absolutely wants to be a Bond movie but definitely doesn't want to be another greatest hits tick box exercise.

    Bit like LTK. On first watch it's a "WtF" movie and then you rewatch and realise it's got 'James Bond' running through the middle like a stick of rock.

    Also happens to challenge CR for Craig's best performance as Bond which way too many people just seem to overlook.
    This.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    doubleoego wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    @doubleoego What are your thoughts on Blood Stone?

    I thought it was a fantastic game and deserved a sequel. Definitely an underrated game in genetal and driving the db5 was easily one of the best levels on the game. Overall it gave one a pretty good idea as to what a non personal Craig Bond film could be like. The game still holds up very well and the musical score is definitely much better than SF's and SP's.

    In fact, this weekend I'm going to watch Doctor No, FRWL, CR and QoS then cap the weekend off replaying some of Blood Stone.
    Agreed. I finished the game last weekend for perhaps the twentieth time. It was terrific and was exactly what the Craig era films should've looked up to. To me, it's Craig's third, substituting for Skyfall.
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