No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 4,044
    If this guy can write a script in 4 weeks, it's a shame they didn't hire him at the outset.
  • Posts: 17,756
    vzok wrote: »
    If this guy can write a script in 4 weeks, it's a shame they didn't hire him at the outset.

    Wasn't his availability the issue – at least in the past?
  • Posts: 15,124
    Murdock wrote: »
    Good Lord! No, thank you! It’s exactly what I feared!

    Let me repeat my profound feelings towards Boyle: Good Riddance!

    Better make that two.

    And make that three.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Even if no one believes it anymore, filming will start in 15 days.

    :(
  • Posts: 4,619
    matt_u wrote: »
    Even if no one believes it anymore, filming will start in 15 days.

    :(
    Funny.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I just wanted to share this video. It's one of my favourites, and really reminds me how much I love this franchise, despite everything. I think it's needed for a lot of us right now. Also, it's quite interesting how poignant the Tennyson;'s poem is, given everything going on at the moment... God, I love James Bond :D


    Magnificent, truly, thanks for sharing @Denbigh.

    Totally shows why this film series is unprecedented in film history, there isn't one like it.

    Yes others have arrived since and got more money in the kitty to play catch up but having a character played by various actors which has endured like this and still gets bums on seats when released over 50 years later. It will be a long time before any other film series/franchise boasts these credentials.

    So mock me if I have still have confidence that Bond 25 is going to be a huge success and the film to well and truly end Craigs tenure in style.

    I couldn't stand SPECTRE and it gave my faith in this series a real knock but I'm of the mind that Bond 25 can reset the issues of that film and deliver come April 8th 2020.

    Bond has survived this long and with the same family. Those jumping to the assumption that if the series was sold onto a big studio it would retain the same feel might be surprised.

    Do you want TV shows, spin-offs, possible casting of other actors outside the nationality of the character that Fleming created?

    Maybe there are those that do, although I feel if this does leave its original keepers and they hand over the keys to someone else I don't think the results will be what some think it will be.

    I still trust EON, even if others don't.
  • Posts: 250
    One of the best Bond films ever has him captured by the villain for much of the second half. Just playing devils advocate, I think Boyle was at long odds to deliver a satisfying genre film.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,409
    Bond is 90% style and mood. If you have the right actress, villains, sets, action and cinematography - you can easily pull this off. This responsibility falls on the director.

    From the script writing perspective - you only really need a fairly compelling plot, strong relationship between Bond, the girl and the villain. As long as Bond has a connection with those two characters, you'll be fine. The rest really falls on Fukunaga, the actors and the stunt people.

    However, if this change means we loose Fukunaga.....then we're in trouble. The apocalypse will truly begin. There's a good chance that Eon might go to Scott Z Burns's longtime collaborator, Steven Soderbergh to rescue the film.

    I feel there is a strong chance that CJF jumps ship and that is the point I bail on this film and move on with my life. I'm scared Cary will leave.

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    Also, for those interested. Burns's film The Report screened on the 27th Jan 2019 at Sundance and was sold to Amazon on the 28th Jan 2019. So he's been free for approx 3 weeks. The report is clear that he's spending the next 4 weeks on the film, but it's not clear how long he has already been on the movie.

    https://www.indiewire.com/2019/01/the-report-zero-dark-thirty-scott-z-burns-response-1202038740/
    https://deadline.com/2019/01/the-report-amazon-studios-adam-driver-jon-hamm-1202543659/
  • Posts: 4,044
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I just wanted to share this video. It's one of my favourites, and really reminds me how much I love this franchise, despite everything. I think it's needed for a lot of us right now. Also, it's quite interesting how poignant the Tennyson;'s poem is, given everything going on at the moment... God, I love James Bond :D


    Thanks for that link. A real morale booster.
  • Posts: 3,164
    @Pierce2Daniel It was mentioned not too long ago that Soderbergh may have been one of the first people they went to after Boyle got fired. Of course, no way he'd do it at the stage he's at today. He's simply not interested in studio or producer driven filmmaking.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Bond is 90% style and mood. If you have the right actress, villains, sets, action and cinematography - you can easily pull this off. This responsibility falls on the director.
    Which is why firing Boyle what’s a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad idea.
    I'm scared Cary will leave.
    I wonder, what happens if Fukunaga and EON will have major disagreements between now and the end of post-production? Will they treat Fukunaga like they treated Boyle?
  • Posts: 12,526
    So a new writer to sort out a script in four weeks that the others could not manage in fours years. Forgive me for expecting another delay or more.

    Without doubt this will be Daniel's last movie as I can tolerate a 3 year gap but not this. Their is going to be so much pressure now more than ever on this movie.
  • Bond is 90% style and mood. If you have the right actress, villains, sets, action and cinematography - you can easily pull this off. This responsibility falls on the director.
    Which is why firing Boyle what’s a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad idea.
    I'm scared Cary will leave.
    I wonder, what happens if Fukunaga and EON will have major disagreements between now and the end of post-production? Will they treat Fukunaga like they treated Boyle?

    It's an interesting question. I'm unsure how this will affect CJF if he were to leave.

    He's left numerous projects due to creative differences - It, The Alienist - and has numerous films in development that have either been cancelled or stalled. So if he leaves, he furthers his reputation as "difficult" and jobs disappear.

    However, Bond 25 has had a "troubled production", so perhaps no one will blame him. Plus, he has a safe space at Netflix who will probably give him free reign.

    I can't see Bond 25 being atrocious - even the weaker films like SP and QOS are redeemable. I anticipate he'll stick around. Plus Eon know the optics are bad right now and will want to retain him. Which means compromising on their part. It's a v interesting situation, I just wish it was happening to another franchise.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    edited February 2019 Posts: 7,582
    Bond is 90% style and mood. If you have the right actress, villains, sets, action and cinematography - you can easily pull this off. This responsibility falls on the director.
    Which is why firing Boyle what’s a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad idea.
    I'm scared Cary will leave.
    I wonder, what happens if Fukunaga and EON will have major disagreements between now and the end of post-production? Will they treat Fukunaga like they treated Boyle?

    This constant repetitive point about Danny Boyle is now officially spamming.

    It ends now please.

    The point has been made, move on. Final warning
  • Posts: 4,619
    @Nick_Nack MI6 HQ just released new information about the Hodge-Boyle script. If I am not allowed to discuss that here, can I please open a thread dedicated to Boyle’s Bond 25 to discuss it with people who are interested in discussing it?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Use the thread about biggest missed opportunities or something like that. It’s established and on going
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited February 2019 Posts: 6,304
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    My question is why though. They arnt amateurs. So why?

    Your guess is as good as mine unfortunately maybe Spectre was too exhausting I don't know?
    They were giving craig time off and didn't get an answer from him until the spring of 2017. Purvis and wade submitted a draft in march of 2017 which I presume was outlined in 2016

    ^This.

    It seems to me that Barbara has already completed three very difficult tasks as producer on B25:

    1. Convincing Craig to sign on again. During this long period, she could have been developing a script, but likely wanted to lock down the actor first so that the script could be developed around him.

    2. Firing Boyle. MI6 is reporting that Bond was incarcerated for a lot of the film (which tracks with the "not enough action" criticism we've seen here) and that Boyle/Hodge's script killed Bond (which would be tantamount to Barbara killing her own golden goose).

    3. Hiring Fukunaga. She needed to fix the PR nightmare of firing an Oscar-winning director (for apparently good reason) and managed to convince a young, rising talent to take on Bond (something that hasn't been since when...Gilbert and YOLT?). Hiring him has led to some inevitable delays as he tries to get the script where he needs it to be in order to direct.

    It also makes sense that she would go back to Purvis and Wade, and Haggis, during this time, writers who have delivered for her in the past (sure, they are responsible for TWINE and DAD but more recently CR and apparently a "save" on SP). The project had to have been in crisis when she made the tough but apparently correct decision to drop Boyle. That's what a good producer does.

    Barbara has literally grown up steeped in Bond. When she was young, I believe she thought either Connery or Moore was actually Bond. It is her family's business and her legacy and it is up to her to decide who gets to make a Bond film with her.

    True, she gave us TWINE and DAD but she also gave us CR and SF.
  • Posts: 12,473
    Based on the report, the Boyle/Hodge film definitely would have been untraditional but could have been great, bad, or in-between. Certainly killing Bond wouldn’t go over well with most, but the article did say that was just a “considered” ending. I don’t know for sure, but if I had to guess the new film will be more traditional than Boyle/Hodge’s.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Based on the report, the Boyle/Hodge film definitely would have been untraditional but could have been great, bad, or in-between. Certainly killing Bond wouldn’t go over well with most, but the article did say that was just a “considered” ending. I don’t know for sure, but if I had to guess the new film will be more traditional than Boyle/Hodge’s.
    100% agree.
  • Posts: 4,619
    echo wrote: »
    It is her family's business and her legacy and it is up to her to decide who gets to make a Bond film with her.
    Which is why I can hardly wait for Bond to enter public domain and for EON to lose their monopoly on cinematic Bond.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 5,767
    But they 'confirm' the theory that Boyle wanted to kill Bond and a large part of the film dealt with Bond being incarcerated by the villain. Which doesn't quite scream exotic locations and action....
    FRWL is one of my very favorite films. Having Bond captured is fine for a small part of the film. The whole premise above sounds dreary to me and also screams "potentially boring" at times. Definitely little action. I am all for this being a serious, realistic Bond film (a la Casino Royale), but not a quiet, low simmering kind of film. I think Boyle and Hodge went too extreme in that direction ... yeah, and I don't want Bond dead in any way shape or form, let me be clear on that point.
    Re: Location, Action, boring: If I just brainstorm a Little, I can easily come up with a scenario not unlike the DN novel, where Bond does in fact go through some thrilling adventures while in fact being incarcerated. Mix that with the garden of death form YOLT, and you would have countless opportunities for exotic Action setpieces while Bond is in confinement. Of Course it all depends a bit on what is going to be defined as "incarcerated". Having seen more Boyle films than I am Aware of myself, I don´t believe Boyle intended a stage piece with Bond sitting in the same cell for half the movie, let alone longer. It would be more of a Labyrinth like in the last Sherlock Episode, or a huge complex like in Die Hard, which does not exactly lack Action or cool Settings.
    In the end Bond dying I could only imagine as some dumb metaphor for Bond nor getting out of the Labyrinth of his life alive, or something nonsensical like that.
    So while I cannot find any sensible justification for Bond dying, I can hardly stop myself fantasising About incarceration Scenarios :-).



    I feel there is a strong chance that CJF jumps ship and that is the point I bail on this film and move on with my life. I'm scared Cary will leave.
    Why don´t you drop all those silly fears Right away? Life does not grow out of fear. Be happy that the sun Shines, and if there Comes a good Bond film along, enjoy it. And if there doesn´t, then you´ll find enough other good films to watch :-).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    Just as Ahab was compelled to pursue the white whale....
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I must say, if given a choice and if I had the guarantee Bond wouldn’t die, I would take my chances on the Boyle/Hodge imprisonment story over whatever P&W are doing. I really hope Burns can save it.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    Have to say I'm pretty anti-formula but a lot of members here seem to be pro-formula. Personally, the idea of going the Moore route again just doesn't appeal to me. B
    This is all too funny! Remember when folks used to bash the Brosnan films? Well at least we got a Bond film every other year, and I’ll take the GE-TND-TWINE run any day over the QOS-SF-SP run. What I wouldn’t give to have another TND as opposed to what they’re trying to cook up with this new one? Writes, delays, rewrites, delays, re-rewrites, firings, quittings, delays, etc. Just give us an old-school TND Bond adventure and stop bending over backwards trying to give us something new which you clearly have no clue about. This is Bond, not Shakespeare. It shouldn’t be this difficult!! Megalomaniac villain, exotic locales, gadgets, Bond shags multiple girls, lifeboat scene at the end. Get with it!!

    TND had lots of script troubles as well.

    We have at least 20 films in the series that subscribe to the formulaic Bond vision you mentioned. Personally, I want to see something new.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    I’m concerned we haven’t heard the last of these production issues. I’m concerned that the next news we hear is that Fukunaga has abandoned ship & we’re, once again, back to square one.

    I was excited not even 2 days ago knowing we were getting close to production commencing, and a press conference dropping. Now, I’m nervous & extremely worried. It’s just so upsetting.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    Posts: 482
    They couldn't make FRWL today, as if. For modern audiences, a James Bond film follows the formula created by Goldfinger or Thunderball, with a few subversions of the template, especially during the Brosnan and Craig years, but if there's no large scale action scene or three or four much different countries, people would complain they're watching a John Le Carré adaptation. Anybody trying to return to the vibe of the Fleming novels, but set in modern times, can't dismiss either more than 50 years of cinematographic legacy. Remember that the script Peter Morgan wrote for Bond 23, "Once Upon a Spy", was turned down because it was too much John Le Carré, with a lot of introspection but not the big action scenes that the studio and the audiences would expect.

    So, if they want to reach for the intimacy of FRWL, they'd have to disguise it under a lot of action, just like they did with Casino Royale. The parkour scene, the whole airport sequence, the Venitian building collapsing (and the PTS of course) were all additions by the screenwriters. Some of them work better than the others. Vesper's death is colder and more effective in the novel, the parkour scene is very successful because Martin Campbell uses it to show us in less than five minutes what kind of a man Craig's Bond is. But they still needed those sequences to sell the fact that the central set piece of the story is two men sitting at the same table.

    John Hodge and Danny Boyle's pitch to the producers must have been very impressive, but what works in theory doesn't always translate into a great execution. Even if they were great fans of the source material, they may have also tried to take some liberties, to be transgressive with the formula rather than subverting it smoothly, which was something the producers would have preferred. That's the difficulty of writing a new adventure for Bond. It must feel fresh and exciting, while also staying faithful to such a long legacy.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    This.

    THIS!

    Yes! This is such a well-written piece of cinema science, it must be read by all, especially by those who feel that delays signal problems, no Bond film at all, a disaster waiting to happen and more.

    @CatchingBullets, thank you! This was much needed. Not even the likes of @PanchitoPistoles or @Mendes4Lyfe can break the logic of this article. I will read it again, and again, and again in the next couple of days, weeks and months. I'll be sharing it with others.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Those who are so anti-formula can go and find other films and franchises to enjoy. A product is bought because it sells what made it successful and appreciated. There’s formula to it. If that product no longer sells the same formula that its customers want, then those people turn away from it, and rightfully so.
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