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Elliot Carver = Blofeld?!?!?
It seems unclear.
I see zero problem with action Bond girls. They have been trying to make Bond girls an equal since TSWLM, even if it wasn't entirely succesful back then.
Any female agent would have to be capable to physically defend herself. I don't see how that's debatable.
Didn’t they actually try to bring blofeld/ spectre back in tnd? Many similarities between carver/ tomorrow and blofeld/ spectre regardless.
I'm not saying no Bond girl should be involved in the action. Melina Havelock and Camille worked fine for instance because both were wounded women, one an amateur, the other a rookie. Bond was a mentor for both (this was even more emphasized in Melina's case due to Moore's age). It also sort of works for Eve because she's more limited as a field agent and makes a blunder. They also work because each in their own way they make Bond's life more complicated.
He’d have made a better Blofeld than Waltz.
The idea that the Bond girl needs to be inferior to Bond and in need of saving is outdated.
Did anyone actually like Madeleine being a damsel in distress in the climax of SP?
A good example, surprisingly, would be Madeleine Swann. Her most interesting scene for me in the whole film was on the train and the discussion of her disliking of guns. She already how to deal with them, but because of her experiences she wanted to distance herself from them. James didn't have to teach her anything, yet she was still able to convey a multi-layered character in that scene. Unfortunately everything else in the film dragged her character to the usual characters we were used to seeing in the old Bond films, but there was a moment of glory in there.
It may be outdated, but it is Fleming. Like an alcoholic Philip Marlowe is very Chandler. And would you rather have Madeleine getting out of danger by herself?
Everything in the MI6 building in the climax of SP is fantastic. It’s the Thames chase onward where it turns sour.
I liked every single thing of London finale except that stupid posters of past characters in mi6 building.
The MI6 building climax would have been a lot better with a proper shootout between Bond and a couple of Blofeld's men.
True, but we're talking about Bond girls now, not Fleming's personal opinion about gays and lesbians. His villains are generally depicted as foreigners as well. A cliché? Yes. Potentially offensive? Yes. But it's still Fleming and I do think one can get away with it if done tastefully and with intelligence. I'd rather have this than PC Bond girls or whitewashed villains.
I think me and @FrankXavier are just trying to say that you can have these interesting and complex female characters who can fend for themselves and get involved in the action, IF that's what the director/writer wants for their story.
1 - Shatterhand has been rumoured since the 1990s and you can see the title rumoured in many Bond forums back in the 2000s and early 2010s.
2 - We know OHMSS ends with Tracy dying and YOLT deals with Bond's revenge, many people think this is what we'll have in Bond 25.
3 - Many of us, judging by the way SPECTRE ended, assume that Bond 25 will start with Madeleine dying and will deal with Bond going after Blofeld, now masquerading as one Dr. Shatterhand, hence the reason for the title.
I think... it's not commercial or teasing to deliver something we all know exactly how it's going to be, be it Shatterhand as the title, Madeleine dying and Bond going after Blofeld YOLT style. If they are wise, they'll have to change at least the 80% of that if they were really going that way. Many great things from SPECTRE were scrapped out or altered just because of the leaks (remember that 007.com disclaimer of "the leaked script is a very old draft"? That actually meant "now we're going to change this"). So... if EON knows what we are expecting, they are going to give us something else we are expecting.
spectre has the worst climax of ANY bond film. Everything in the London ending is unwatchable.
That would have been excellent.
I don't know if you read one of my posts above, but I did say that I'm obviously not again Bond girls taking part in the action.
I would also add that one must make a distinction between an action girl (in any movie) and a girl who happen to take an active part in the action in some capacity.
one would hope.
Fair play @Ludovico, I did read the post but I was just trying to explain where I was coming from. I also agree that I should've used that term a bit more loosely than I did. "Action-packed" can be a confusing term. I don't know if you've seen it, but the kind of Bond girl or villain I'd like to see in a Bond film is one like Luv from Blade Runner 2049. She was an interesting character, who got involved in the action and it benefited her arc and the story.
They can still properly adapt the storyline of YOLT but use a different location besides japan.
The one Bond didn't even sleep with?!
Not in the effect she had on Bond (you can only that once in a while), but in the way she was written. She was brimming with personality.
I'll try to catch up on reading comments now ...
I don’t see how that’s important/ I didn’t mean that bond couldn’t sleep with the main bond girl.
Yes. Yes, they could.
I'll take that bet.
No. It would have been better if she had been revealed as "Number 14" of Spectre or something like that.
Also, why didn't they bring back the "number" system? Honestly I wonder if Logan or Mendes ever even saw a Bond film with Spectre in it...or if their understanding of Bond is all post-1971.