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  • Posts: 727
    As an American he would understand American culture.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    talos7 wrote: »
    Yes, Spielberg, completely failed with The Color Purple because he wasn’t black.

    Not even purple.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,205
    talos7 wrote: »
    Yes, Spielberg, completely failed with The Color Purple because he wasn’t black.

    Not even purple.

    :D

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited March 2019 Posts: 8,205
    As an American he would understand American culture.

    There is no singular “ American Culture “
    And there are those who are very cosmopolitan and are not locked into a finite geographical region; Fukunaga is obviously an man of diverse influences, Bond, and his heritage, is in good hands.
  • Posts: 6,709
    That's what I am saying. Look at all American made films, none of them have the layer of sophistication and class Bond films have. Prepare to lose that this time.
    You clearly haven't seen Jane Eyre by Cary Fukunaga.

    You know what, @PanchitoPistoles? - and feel free not to care - Your posts have been getting better and better quality wise, apart from hexes and threats ;) I admit to not reading your posts for a while, but your interventions have been very apt as of late. Congratulations. That and our mutual appreciation for Nolan makes me want to bury the axe, smoke the pipe, shake the hand. Your move.

    That being said. Quite right about Fukunaga. Not worried at all. Quite curious in fact.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,584
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    what would be weird if Moneypenny's boyfriend in Spectre we never really see his face was Rami Malek's character

    It would be more likely that Malek plays Kabira or someone associated with Kabira's crime syndicate:

    008QOS_Simon_Kassianides_001.jpg

    220px-Rami_Malek_in_2015_%282%29_%28cropped%29.jpg
  • Posts: 727
    talos7 wrote: »
    As an American he would understand American culture.

    There is no singular “ American Culture “
    And there are those who are very cosmopolitan and are not locked into a finite geographical region; Fukunaga is obviously an man of diverse influences, Bond, and his heritage, is in good hands.

    There are still broad similarities. African-American culture is closer to white American culture than British or Continental European cultures are.

    As for Carey being Cosmopolitan, I hope you are correct. But even cosmopolitan Americans lack the elegant touch of Europeans.
  • Posts: 632
    Last I checked, Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson aren't English either, so I'm not worried about CJF.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    As for Carey being Cosmopolitan, I hope you are correct. But even cosmopolitan Americans lack the elegant touch of Europeans.

    The best Bond movie starring Craig had none of this "european magic touch" you're referring to - or at least didn't came from the background of its director - but it's still the best. Fukunaga will bring his own style and sophistication to the picture and that's the only thing that matters.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,205
    Univex wrote: »
    That's what I am saying. Look at all American made films, none of them have the layer of sophistication and class Bond films have. Prepare to lose that this time.
    You clearly haven't seen Jane Eyre by Cary Fukunaga.

    You know what, @PanchitoPistoles? - and feel free not to care - Your posts have been getting better and better quality wise, apart from hexes and threats ;) I admit to not reading your posts for a while, but your interventions have been very apt as of late. Congratulations. That and our mutual appreciation for Nolan makes me want to bury the axe, smoke the pipe, shake the hand. Your move.

    That being said. Quite right about Fukunaga. Not worried at all. Quite curious in fact.

    + 1

  • Posts: 16,154
    JET007 wrote: »
    Last I checked, Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson aren't English either, so I'm not worried about CJF.

    Oh crap! Cubby wasn't from England either, so I guess that rules out all the other films as well for being properly English in tone.

    Kidding aside, I'm not worried about Cary either.

    Now, hypothetically if we had an American actor playing Bond....someone like Robert Downey Jr or Tom Hanks I think this discussion could become quite heated.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Univex wrote: »
    That's what I am saying. Look at all American made films, none of them have the layer of sophistication and class Bond films have. Prepare to lose that this time.
    You clearly haven't seen Jane Eyre by Cary Fukunaga.

    You know what, @PanchitoPistoles? - and feel free not to care - Your posts have been getting better and better quality wise, apart from hexes and threats ;) I admit to not reading your posts for a while, but your interventions have been very apt as of late. Congratulations. That and our mutual appreciation for Nolan makes me want to bury the axe, smoke the pipe, shake the hand. Your move.

    That being said. Quite right about Fukunaga. Not worried at all. Quite curious in fact.
    Thank you for your kind words, I am also ready to smoke the pipe. After seven months I have made peace with the fact that Danny Boyle is not directing Bond 25 and now I am trying to focus at all the positive things we have heard and seen about Bond 25 so far (and there are many!). Get ready for a calmer and kinder PanchitoPistoles if there is a press conference next week, and if there isn't, I will do my best to tone down my anger.

    There is one thing I have to make clear right now though: if Bond 25 turns out to be a success, I will attribute its success 100% to the great Cary Fukunaga.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,205
    TripAces wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    what would be weird if Moneypenny's boyfriend in Spectre we never really see his face was Rami Malek's character

    It would be more likely that Malek plays Kabira or someone associated with Kabira's crime syndicate:

    008QOS_Simon_Kassianides_001.jpg

    220px-Rami_Malek_in_2015_%282%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

    Who has infiltrated Mi-6 by , unknown to her, compromising Moneypenny?
  • Posts: 727
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    JET007 wrote: »
    Last I checked, Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson aren't English either, so I'm not worried about CJF.

    Oh crap! Cubby wasn't from England either, so I guess that rules out all the other films as well for being properly English in tone.

    Kidding aside, I'm not worried about Cary either.

    Now, hypothetically if we had an American actor playing Bond....someone like Robert Downey Jr or Tom Hanks I think this discussion could become quite heated.

    I don't see why. An American actor can be coached and guided to follow European norms.

    A director controls the tone of the project and thus has far more capacity for widespread damage.
  • Posts: 727
    matt_u wrote: »
    As for Carey being Cosmopolitan, I hope you are correct. But even cosmopolitan Americans lack the elegant touch of Europeans.

    The best Bond movie starring Craig had none of this "european magic touch" you're referring to - or at least didn't came from the background of its director - but it's still the best. Fukunaga will bring his own style and sophistication to the picture and that's the only thing that matters.

    Which film are you referring to?
  • Posts: 12,526
    I would be very surprised if Spectre did not feature in Bond 25? Especially with what we do know so far, I still have a suspicion that Waltz may feature in a pretty small role in being broken free from incarceration, but then focus on the new villain.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    JET007 wrote: »
    Last I checked, Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson aren't English either, so I'm not worried about CJF.

    Oh crap! Cubby wasn't from England either, so I guess that rules out all the other films as well for being properly English in tone.

    Kidding aside, I'm not worried about Cary either.

    Now, hypothetically if we had an American actor playing Bond....someone like Robert Downey Jr or Tom Hanks I think this discussion could become quite heated.

    I don't see why. An American actor can be coached and guided to follow European norms.

    A director controls the tone of the project and thus has far more capacity for widespread damage.

    No they couldn’t. A Brit can play an American but it is categorically impossible for an American to play a Brit properly
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,584
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    JET007 wrote: »
    Last I checked, Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson aren't English either, so I'm not worried about CJF.

    Oh crap! Cubby wasn't from England either, so I guess that rules out all the other films as well for being properly English in tone.

    Kidding aside, I'm not worried about Cary either.

    Now, hypothetically if we had an American actor playing Bond....someone like Robert Downey Jr or Tom Hanks I think this discussion could become quite heated.

    I don't see why. An American actor can be coached and guided to follow European norms.

    A director controls the tone of the project and thus has far more capacity for widespread damage.

    No they couldn’t. A Brit can play an American but it is categorically impossible for an American to play a Brit properly

    Uh...

    005_TF_03726.0.jpg
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited April 2019 Posts: 556
    Univex wrote: »
    That's what I am saying. Look at all American made films, none of them have the layer of sophistication and class Bond films have. Prepare to lose that this time.
    You clearly haven't seen Jane Eyre by Cary Fukunaga.

    You know what, @PanchitoPistoles? - and feel free not to care - Your posts have been getting better and better quality wise, apart from hexes and threats ;) I admit to not reading your posts for a while, but your interventions have been very apt as of late. Congratulations. That and our mutual appreciation for Nolan makes me want to bury the axe, smoke the pipe, shake the hand. Your move.

    That being said. Quite right about Fukunaga. Not worried at all. Quite curious in fact.
    Thank you for your kind words, I am also ready to smoke the pipe. After seven months I have made peace with the fact that Danny Boyle is not directing Bond 25 and now I am trying to focus at all the positive things we have heard and seen about Bond 25 so far (and there are many!). Get ready for a calmer and kinder PanchitoPistoles.
    hell has frozen over.

  • Posts: 632
    TripAces wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    JET007 wrote: »
    Last I checked, Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson aren't English either, so I'm not worried about CJF.

    Oh crap! Cubby wasn't from England either, so I guess that rules out all the other films as well for being properly English in tone.

    Kidding aside, I'm not worried about Cary either.

    Now, hypothetically if we had an American actor playing Bond....someone like Robert Downey Jr or Tom Hanks I think this discussion could become quite heated.

    I don't see why. An American actor can be coached and guided to follow European norms.

    A director controls the tone of the project and thus has far more capacity for widespread damage.

    No they couldn’t. A Brit can play an American but it is categorically impossible for an American to play a Brit properly

    Uh...

    005_TF_03726.0.jpg

    +1!
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
    Posts: 2,632
    matt_u wrote: »
    As for Carey being Cosmopolitan, I hope you are correct. But even cosmopolitan Americans lack the elegant touch of Europeans.

    The best Bond movie starring Craig had none of this "european magic touch" you're referring to - or at least didn't came from the background of its director - but it's still the best. Fukunaga will bring his own style and sophistication to the picture and that's the only thing that matters.

    Which film are you referring to?

    I'm gonna go with Casino Royale, considering Martin Campbell isn't English (nor is he European for that matter).
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 6,709
    if there is a press conference next week, and if there isn't, I will do my best to tone down my anger.

    Me too. I would actually love it if they had the presser next week. But maybe they're saving it for Jamaica. Now that would be something. Everyone groovy and all.
    There is one thing I have to make clear right now though: if Bond 25 turns out to be a success, I will attribute its success 100% to the great Cary Fukunaga.

    Tell you what, if not, I'll definitely stop referring to him as the great Cary Fukunaga, as I have since I saw Jane Eyre and was made aware of his Kubrick infatuation and of his favourite film (Spielberg's Empire of the Sun - My favourite film as well).

    Cheers
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 2019 Posts: 6,290
    I wonder if Malek will be a man of culture. I wonder if they will emanate proper dinner etiquette while they have a war of sophisticated words about the world as they elegantly assess the fanciest drink and the best food.

    I am afraid not, with an American director at the helm. I fear we shall be losing these traditions that make Bond a gem in the market. I fear Bond shall be another pack in the herd. I hope not, but as a certain masked villain once said, "hope is a mistake".

    Kind of an unnecessary slam on Americans there. This tradition (which I enjoy) hasn't been in a Bond film in a while...
    TripAces wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    JET007 wrote: »
    Last I checked, Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson aren't English either, so I'm not worried about CJF.

    Oh crap! Cubby wasn't from England either, so I guess that rules out all the other films as well for being properly English in tone.

    Kidding aside, I'm not worried about Cary either.

    Now, hypothetically if we had an American actor playing Bond....someone like Robert Downey Jr or Tom Hanks I think this discussion could become quite heated.

    I don't see why. An American actor can be coached and guided to follow European norms.

    A director controls the tone of the project and thus has far more capacity for widespread damage.

    No they couldn’t. A Brit can play an American but it is categorically impossible for an American to play a Brit properly

    Uh...

    005_TF_03726.0.jpg

    Gillian Anderson also comes to mind.
  • Posts: 727
    matt_u wrote: »
    As for Carey being Cosmopolitan, I hope you are correct. But even cosmopolitan Americans lack the elegant touch of Europeans.

    The best Bond movie starring Craig had none of this "european magic touch" you're referring to - or at least didn't came from the background of its director - but it's still the best. Fukunaga will bring his own style and sophistication to the picture and that's the only thing that matters.

    Which film are you referring to?

    I'm gonna go with Casino Royale, considering Martin Campbell isn't English (nor is he European for that matter).

    He is a Kiwi. He's basically us. Or at the very least culturally similar. Plus, half of Casino Royale is sitting down and playing poker in a classy setting. So it can't be that.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,569
    ggl007 wrote: »
    An interesting piece of trivia from ajb:
    What about the gun?

    1107007_1.jpg

    Apparently it is a Czech VZ58 Compact, not very often used in movies, but previously seen in... SPECTRE:

    600px-Spectre_15.jpg

    And guess where too:

    600px-Spectre_10.jpg

    http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/SA_Vz.58_assault_rifle#_Czech_Small_Arms_SA_vz._58_Compact
    Very interesting. I was trying to identify the gun too. Thanks for posting!
  • Posts: 17,753
    That's what I am saying. Look at all American made films, none of them have the layer of sophistication and class Bond films have. Prepare to lose that this time.

    Although I wouldn't go that far, I totally understand what you mean. To me, American films and European films feel different (which is fine, and should be expected). I just hate for Bond to be "Americanized", and I don't feel it's crazy having a slight bit of reservation towards an American director in charge of a Bond film.

    And of course, the Broccoli's are American etc, but the director more than anyone else puts his stamp on the film.
  • Posts: 6,709
    How "American" does this feel?


  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited March 2019 Posts: 4,343
    matt_u wrote: »
    As for Carey being Cosmopolitan, I hope you are correct. But even cosmopolitan Americans lack the elegant touch of Europeans.

    The best Bond movie starring Craig had none of this "european magic touch" you're referring to - or at least didn't came from the background of its director - but it's still the best. Fukunaga will bring his own style and sophistication to the picture and that's the only thing that matters.

    Which film are you referring to?

    I'm gonna go with Casino Royale, considering Martin Campbell isn't English (nor is he European for that matter).

    He is a Kiwi. He's basically us. Or at the very least culturally similar. Plus, half of Casino Royale is sitting down and playing poker in a classy setting. So it can't be that.

    No. Is just less than 20 minutes out of 144 but that’s not the point. Campbell is a tough, rude, competent and solid director but there’s no “Europian elegance” in his directing. Whatever that means. Have you ever saw any of his movies? Have you ever saw him on set? Not the classy level of sophistication you’re referring to. And it’s not about the style of the setting. Even a monkey would look elegant in a Brioni tuxedo.

    These arguments against an American half Japanese half Swedish directing a Bond movie in 2019 are just out of place and I’ll tell you another thing: the elegant touch you’re referring to is basically gone with Terence Young, at least (partially) until 2012. BTW I don’t want to dive into this OT anymore. Hope you’ll understand.
  • Posts: 6,709
    matt_u wrote: »
    I’ll tell you another thing: the elegant touch you’re referring to is basically gone with Terence Young,

    This is very, very true.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited March 2019 Posts: 5,185
    Some of you guys make it Sound like Fukunaga is the next Michael Bay.
    The cultural travelogue and style aspect of Bond films is most important to me, if not the most important, as i am a 'Bond-traveler' myself (it was either that or the priesthood)

    With that being said i have zero worries that Fukunaga will get it right, because the guy is very bright and does his homework. He knows what Bond is about and will deliver.
    Not a single one of his movies feels 'American'.

    On the contrary: All his films are totally immersed in the culture they portray.
    Sin Nombre - South American, latino
    Jane Eyre - 19th century British
    Beasts - Central African
    Even True Detective feels very much immeresed in the US Deep South.

    Also he always works with local Talent, to get that cultural feel across, similar to Boyle actually.

    Daniel and EoN will take care of the rest. It's not like Fukunaga is doing the whole thing by himself.
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