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This is no place to enjoy Bond anymore, instead we have individuals full of hate and angst that rant against anything and cannot be calmed by voices of reason. I wish the mods were running a tighter ship here.
It seems to me some people here want everyone to agree with everyone all the time. Please tell me I’m wrong!
But, it made far too much sense for this thread.
A press conference, by the way, isn't done for the benefit of the fans, it's done for the promotion of the film. To whet the appetites of the general movie going public, not the 0.01% who are hard line Bond fans.So timing is everything.
When it appears it will be timed to perfection.
Whilst it is part of the pre-match fever and the fandom of it all, fans blowing up, running with and then deflating every rumour like Circus Circus balloons appears to this bullet catcher to be ever futile and unnecessarily cynical.
The fact that EON aren't posting anything online doesn't suggest that there will be a delay. Merely that they will announce something, when they're ready.
We can demand, wish for, want or really really hope for news all we want. But EON will give us news when they're ready.
The March shooting date could've been for second unit or Norway filming. When did it say it was for principal photography.
The hostility seen in this thread is concerning, considering that its all based on speculation. A Bond film is being made, it will be released in 2020. We'll find out more when we do. Patience dear Bond fans...patience.
Well, I can't entirely agree because ultimately I haven't got a view into the 'behind-the-scenes.' (And really none of us does; some here might might have second- or third-hand info from sources but none it is naked-eye data.)
But, what I can say is that from a messaging point of view EON have a hell of a job ahead of them:
Every time I see B25 mentioned in the press, it's described as a 'troubled production.' Mention is made of the tortured journey of the script and the cycling through Boyle, etc.
Now, that might not be fair, and the media might be mischaracterizing things. But that's the popular narrative out there at the moment and EON will need to do a lot of digging to turn this around.
It's hard for me to stop from feeling that EON once again find themselves in a tricky situation largely of their own making. Either way it's their problem to fix now. . . the sooner the better!
Yep. Absolutely nothing wrong with that post. It's as concise as anyone else's posts have been. Perhaps I'm just used to reading long winded updates from others, and that's why it was a doddle to read. Welcome to the narcissistic fun house, @HalfOfEverything
Look on the bright side: There'll be little to no spoilers on this thread for the unforeseeable future. Hopefully you'll be able to go into the cinema knowing next to nothing about B25. Who knows, in the long run, you might even thank Eon for it?
As for @HalfOfEverything, I really have to roll my eyes at these posts. It seems to be a common trend; a lurker comes onto the forums, and attempts to do a long psychoanalysis of this thread, which rambles on far too long and says far too little.
Anyways, if I was EON, with all of the bad press surrounding the writing, the director changes, etc, I would try to show off a bit. I mean a bit of positive news like the PP starting would be great PR. But hey! Their decision, I'm just a desperate Bond fan.
+1
If we don't know anything new (and I mean ANYTHING) by month's end, then I'd say the panic is justified.
"Owe us?" No, of course not. I'm sure no reasonable person is arguing otherwise. They're a private company, they don't 'owe' anyone anything beyond the letter of the law.
But to my mind, that's not the important question (least of all on a speculation thread).
Plus I’d rather wait for the press conference than read the announcement in a news article that just cares about the attention it gets rather than the contents.
Eon have their own special way of doings things and I’d rather it stayed that way :)
EON doesn't owe us anything other than a release next year. They don't have to give us a trailer or any information if they wish.
Thanks @ColonelSun!! As always your posts help us when there is less news and we become overly worried. I appreciate knowing that according to people working on the project it is all going smoothly. I look forward to learning more but can also appreciate EONs attempt to keep more of this film a surprise
It actually is one of the most important questions, because quite a lot of members on here act as if EoN owes them the world and then some. Hence my question.
My point being. Basically this thread, filled with hype, testosterone and little patience brings out the worst in many of us. Like @NicNac stated, we should have better things to do. Time to reflect perhaps and pop on one out of 24.
You're certainly allowed to go do that.
Beyond scolding us, I'm not sure what the point of this digression was.
Then again, we got our Quantum of Solace press conference and title reveal on January 24, 2008, which was just 9 months before release. If we go by Quantum of Solace, then we'll still need to wait 86 days after Monday until we get a press conference. Then again, the patience back then was good since it hadn't even been a year and a half since the last Bond film.
And indeed thank you for the, shall we say, constructive criticism, @dominicgreene. Anyone that also sees the good in QoS can't be all bad after all!
One was merely trying to provide a mood board of what the casual observer of these forums is perhaps thinking and how in turn it may be offputting to them, whether to read or to make the first step and join lest they instantly be dismissed.
Lurker or long time member I'm a firm believer that everyone's opinion is valid providing sufficient explanation. I guess I got lost in my prose and will always fully accept that I am more than occasionally prone to a good essay, rather than a pithy retort... as much as I am aware that to be concise can be interpreted as to be blunt. I will however - this response obviously withstanding, props indeed to all who read both ;) - try to recall I am engaging in a discussion, not a dissertation :'). That, it would seem, would be the best way to convey that my views are actually aligned with others, rather than them being seen as a psychoanalytic attack - an interpretation I can understand. My apologies therefore to anyone who took issue with the rambling points I made and appreciation to any that took the time to read and agree.
With that serious business out the way I fully intend to embrace the actual discussion haha. Cheers All.
Besides, Craig is looking great and this could turn out to be as excellent as CR.
Perhaps an idea to read this thread, you'll get an idea eventually. Also, I said quite a lot of members, so certainly not everyone. Don't feel offended, even though that is still a very 2019 thing to do.
This, just like I said.
Thanks for this post, @dominicgreene. And thank you @ColonelSun for your insights earlier about B25's production thus far. Encouraging to hear it's going well.
I think the attitude on this forum recently boils down to a few things.
1) Uncharacteristically long gap since the last Bond, which dials up the tension and anticipation for all of us and is making some tempers noticeably short.
2) Uncharacteristically difficult narrative leading up to B25's production. Director, no director, delay, new director, another delay. Even as a staunch EON defender and huge Bond fan, I can't claim this hasn't been an emotional rollercoaster. It certainly has.
3) Online discourse, at least the way it's currently functioning, fosters neither patience nor the appreciation of context. I'd stop short of saying "entitlement", but it's clear many fans nowadays (of many franchises, not just Bond) are looking for far more immediate gratification that's precisely inline with their preset expectations. When it doesn't happen, angst ensues.
When you combine them all, it's no surprise we're seeing the discourse go the way it's gone. I think all we can do is collectively try and remain constructive, hopeful, and understand that everything's moving forward and fine.
And as frustrating as these final moments are before the big reveals, when they do happen, they're going to more than satisfy and completely reset the tone of that discourse to something more positive. Just think of how differently things swung as recently as last week, when we got our first photos.
Bond 25 is in full production as we speak. It's a good time. Enjoy it.
I'm 28 and I'm a Bond-addict, with Bond being on top of my other passions. But still, I'm not angry at no B25 news. I wish there were, but I have the other 24 + NSNA + CR'67 to watch and rewatch. And some other titles as well. So, I'm among the people who could wait for big things. I had no PC at home until I was 18, no internet until I was 22, I went for news to a cybercafé. Benefits of a childhood without technology, I guess ;)