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No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited April 2019 Posts: 7,546
    I bet they have Bond visiting Vespers grave (whatever that may look like given the circumstances of her death) after having quit MI6, and then he meets up with Madeleine so they can drive away together, but Spectre agents have tracked him to this spot and attempt to kill him, cue car chase, and Madeleine dies, cue Bond realizing he can have no life outside of the life he has chosen. It’d be a lot for a PTS but with the information we have it feels like a safe bet.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    00Agent wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    I think it's a nice touch for Bond to visit Vesper's grave like he annually did in the novels.
    I agree. It would be a great way to Show that Bond - now that he's with Madeline and 'left' mi6 - has learned to accept his past and can deal with it more maturely. And as we all know Vesper died in Italy, so this is very likely.
    Let's hope they don't kill Madeline five minutes later because that's gonna be one screwed up arc :/
    Haha true, i have no idea how she will fit into all this, partly because she was so underwritten in Spectre (as everybody else) but i don't think they will kill her. That would be incredibly lazy, this Bond has lost enough people already, i think he is way past revenge anyway. I would much prefer if they really give her character some purpose this time and for all i care Bond can retire with her on Jamaica.
    It's a difficult one...
    ...I also feel they can't be that stupid to kill her off, especially in the first twenty minutes, but it's also hard to know how she'll fit in with the rest of the story. Her backstory must have some relevance to the main story, but with so many other characters I don't know how she'll fit. Other than her, Bond and the MI6 regulars, we have a villain, two other Bond girls and Magnussen's character and probably a main henchman, although hopefully one of the two new Bond girls is a henchwoman. Fingers crossed. Interesting one Eon, you've really got my mind spinning :)
    I really hope we get a femme fatale, that would take care of one Bond girl and the Henchman. They can't top Hinx anyway and if they don't intend to bring him back then they should go with that. Madeline is a tricky one, we never had a main Bond girl return, so this could go in many directions. But i'm really excited to see what they'll do with her.
    I agree, we definitely need a proper femme-fatale in the Craig-era.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited April 2019 Posts: 1,756
    My guess, according to Jake's rumor, is that I agree with the sentiment that Swann will definitely be the main Bond girl, and play a big role in the film. Swann will not die. She will be a main piece of the story, and there won't be any other Bond girl in the film (that sleeps with Bond, anyway). It'll be interesting to see how committed they are to this idea. Please don't half-ass it like they did with Blofeld in SP.

    I'm sure now more than ever the Norway shoot will be
    a flashback
    that's not the PTS.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    My guess, according to Jake's rumor, is that I agree with the sentiment that Swann will definitely be the main Bond girl, and play a big role in the film. Swann will not die. She will be a main piece of the story, and there won't be any other Bond girl in the film (that sleeps with Bond, anyway). It'll be interesting to see how committed they are to this idea. Please don't half-ass it like they did with Blofeld in SP.

    I'm sure now more than ever the Norway shoot will be
    a flashback
    that's not the PTS.
    +1
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    The amount of stories claiming this is the PTS and that is the PTS is music to my ears, if I didn't know better I'd think EON was F*$%ng with us!
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited April 2019 Posts: 10,591
    I kind of hope the film opens with the Norway sequence.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    Either way I think this film's gonna be a corker :)
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Either way I think this film's gonna be a corker :)

    +1
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Interesting stuff about Matera. This
    flame is goin to be Vesper or Lucia Sciarra. The latter in SP was linked to both SPECTRE and CIA. Maybe CIA failed to protect her.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    matt_u wrote: »
    Interesting stuff about Matera. This
    flame is goin to be Vesper or Lucia Sciarra. The latter in SP was linked to both SPECTRE and CIA. Maybe CIA failed to protect her.
    I like this theory a lot too! Maybe she reached out for protection and Bond was too late?
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    jake24 wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I think it’s safe to say this film won’t be the traditional bond gets his mission from M and is on his way
    Good.

    Yes, yes, and yes...!
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    Five years later they can’t expect the audience to remember spectres character and plot lines. I hope Madeline has less than 20 min of screentime
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Five years later they can’t expect the audience to remember spectres character and plot lines. I hope Madeline has less than 20 min of screentime
    They won't need to remember. Madeleine will get a reintroduction.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited April 2019 Posts: 1,165
    talos7 wrote: »
    Daltonforyou wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    I actually would like for Bond to be brought to Comic Con where the franchise will be introduced to wider audiences and broaden its fan-base. I don't see the harm in it. Quite the opposite, in fact.
    Don’t think the Comic-Con crowd and Bond fit.

    Oh absolutely it does; when it comes to movies, comic-con has a broad range and not limited to superhero films.
    It would also be helpful in reaching a younger demographic.
    Bond doesn’t need Comic-con. The real way to reach the younger generation is reinvesting in Bond as a video game juggernaut. :-D

    Imagine if a longer gap between films could be filled with biyearly game releases? I think we’d be a lot more calm around these parts.
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
    Posts: 678
    matt_u wrote: »
    Interesting stuff about Matera. This
    flame is goin to be Vesper or Lucia Sciarra. The latter in SP was linked to both SPECTRE and CIA. Maybe CIA failed to protect her.
    Not sure I would refer to Lucia as an old flame, though. It's gotta be Vesper I think.
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
    Posts: 544
    jake24 wrote: »
    MI6-HQ is reporting that
    Swann will accompany Bond during a car chase through the streets of Matera for the film's PTS.

    Bond 25's pretitles sequence will be shot on location in Matera, Italy, during the late summer months. Léa Seydoux will be returning in her role as Madeleine Swann for the action-packed car chase, that takes place after 007 pays tribute to an old flame. Whether Swann has any presence in the story after the credits sequence is not known at this time. The location was first scouted for a car chase for the 'Quantum of Solace' pretitles.
    Sounds a lot like FYEO (and OHMSS the novel). I wouldn't be surprised if the iris opens on a graveyard and we see Bond's hand leaving flowers to Vesper.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited April 2019 Posts: 5,970
    Ok so I've thought about and I don't like it...
    ...this whole "old flame" situation". I mean don't get me wrong it could work out, but there are no possibilities I can imagine from my own ideas or people's suggestion that could work in my eyes. As much as I could have done without it, James finding Vesper's "interrogation" tape was enough closure in my eyes. The Sciarra idea would seem tacked on and just a distraction from Swann's return, and the only other possible flame is Camille, which I doubt would happen, as there would be no logical reason for her to return. I don't know what it's gonna be, but whatever it is, the idea is not sitting well with me.
    This better not be one giant sequel cause I'll be pissed.
  • TreefingersTreefingers Isthmus City, Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 191
    Am I the only one sick and tired of the whole Vesper thing?
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred
    Posts: 1,397
    Interesting developments re : the pts,
    the OHMSS novel started with Bond visiting Vespers grave right?
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok so I've thought about and I don't like it...
    ...this whole "old flame" situation". I mean don't get me wrong it could work out, but there are no possibilities I can imagine from my own ideas or people's suggestion that could work in my eyes. As much as I could have done without it, James finding Vesper's "interrogation" tape was enough closure in my eyes. The Sciarra idea would seem tacked on and just a distraction from Swann's return, and the only other possible flame is Camille, which I doubt would happen, as there would be no logical reason for her to return. I don't know what it's gonna be, but whatever it is, the idea is not sitting well with me.
    This better not be one giant sequel cause I'll be pissed.

    When Boyle was scrapped this is what they likely reverted to. Boyles film would be close to completed filing by now and ready for October release.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok so I've thought about and I don't like it...
    ...this whole "old flame" situation". I mean don't get me wrong it could work out, but there are no possibilities I can imagine from my own ideas or people's suggestion that could work in my eyes. As much as I could have done without it, James finding Vesper's "interrogation" tape was enough closure in my eyes. The Sciarra idea would seem tacked on and just a distraction from Swann's return, and the only other possible flame is Camille, which I doubt would happen, as there would be no logical reason for her to return. I don't know what it's gonna be, but whatever it is, the idea is not sitting well with me.
    This better not be one giant sequel cause I'll be pissed.

    Get ready to be pissed
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 575
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok so I've thought about and I don't like it...
    ...this whole "old flame" situation". I mean don't get me wrong it could work out, but there are no possibilities I can imagine from my own ideas or people's suggestion that could work in my eyes. As much as I could have done without it, James finding Vesper's "interrogation" tape was enough closure in my eyes. The Sciarra idea would seem tacked on and just a distraction from Swann's return, and the only other possible flame is Camille, which I doubt would happen, as there would be no logical reason for her to return. I don't know what it's gonna be, but whatever it is, the idea is not sitting well with me.
    This better not be one giant sequel cause I'll be pissed.

    Get ready to be pissed

    I would say prepare to see a follow up to the rest of the Craig films.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited April 2019 Posts: 5,970
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok so I've thought about and I don't like it...
    ...this whole "old flame" situation". I mean don't get me wrong it could work out, but there are no possibilities I can imagine from my own ideas or people's suggestion that could work in my eyes. As much as I could have done without it, James finding Vesper's "interrogation" tape was enough closure in my eyes. The Sciarra idea would seem tacked on and just a distraction from Swann's return, and the only other possible flame is Camille, which I doubt would happen, as there would be no logical reason for her to return. I don't know what it's gonna be, but whatever it is, the idea is not sitting well with me.
    This better not be one giant sequel cause I'll be pissed.

    Get ready to be pissed
    Ha probably but I should also say that when I say "giant sequel" I mean I'm hoping not every aspect of the film is a call-back. I'm all for a cool and interesting follow-up to Spectre, with Madeleine Swann returning and more of her backstory, but I'm just not into every aspect of the story being a follow-up. I want something fresh and new as well as these continuing elements. I trust Fukunaga, but everything I'm hearing at the moment screams "sequel" rather than "cool new Bond film", but I have faith.

    And some of you guys as much as you may want it, we don't need another...
    ...Vesper call-back. The whole reason QoS ended the way it did was to show that he had moved on, we didn't need a tape and we definitely don't need a grave. One of the main reasons I believe Spectre failed (for me and others) was that it called back too much on the old shiz, just leave it. Skyfall was perfect segway into the new and the fresh, but Mendes and Logan had to do a giant 180 degree spin like Tonya Harding and finish off some "unanswered questions". Look, that was that, this is this. Let's move on and have a great f-ing Bond movie. (I apologise for hinting at language but I'm sure we're all adults here).
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    So at some point they said screw it and decided to make every film a continuation watch Vesper Lynd have an evil twin sister hahaha
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    Denbigh wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok so I've thought about and I don't like it...
    ...this whole "old flame" situation". I mean don't get me wrong it could work out, but there are no possibilities I can imagine from my own ideas or people's suggestion that could work in my eyes. As much as I could have done without it, James finding Vesper's "interrogation" tape was enough closure in my eyes. The Sciarra idea would seem tacked on and just a distraction from Swann's return, and the only other possible flame is Camille, which I doubt would happen, as there would be no logical reason for her to return. I don't know what it's gonna be, but whatever it is, the idea is not sitting well with me.
    This better not be one giant sequel cause I'll be pissed.

    Get ready to be pissed
    Ha probably but I should also say that when I say "giant sequel" I mean I'm hoping not every aspect of the film is a call-back. I'm all for a cool and interesting follow-up to Spectre, with Madeleine Swann returning and more of her backstory, but I'm just not into every aspect of the story being a follow-up. I want something fresh and new as well as these continuing elements. I trust Fukunaga, but everything I'm hearing at the moment screams "sequel" rather than "cool new Bond film", but I have faith.

    And some of you guys as much as you may want it, we don't need another...
    ...Vesper call-back. The whole reason QoS ended the way it did was to show that he had moved on, we didn't need a tape and we definitely don't need a grave. One of the main reasons I believe Spectre failed (for me and others) was that it called back too much on the old shiz, just leave it. Skyfall was perfect segway into the new and the fresh, but Mendes and Logan had to do a giant 180 degree spin like Tonya Harding and finish off some "unanswered questions". Look, that was that, this is this. Let's move on and have a great f-ing Bond movie. (I apologise for hinting at language but I'm sure we're all adults here).

    May be
    that old flame could be Mr White or any other girl we haven't seen yet whom bond failed to protect.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
    Posts: 832
    Maybe the old flame is the girl bond was with in the beginning of skyfall
  • ColonelSunColonelSun
    Posts: 1,490
    My take on this latest rumour…
    …is that the DB5, following on from SP, will be in the car chase - I think CF will not want to repeat the super car chases we had in QOS and SP and will go for something rougher and very dangerous - and it's the first time we have seen the DB5 in an actual chase since GE, and that sequence was fun, not life threatening. (The new Aston will appear later in the film). And I think it is odds on that Bond is paying his respect at Vesper's grave -- perhaps a final farewell before he starts a new life with Swann -- but then the shit hits the fan.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,127
    As far as the pts rumour goes.
    I think if Bond is paying respects to a former flame, then it has to be Vesper. It has to be someone that the audience knows and someone we know who has passed. If it was Lucia we didn't see her die, so it would hold less meaning. I'd like it if it was someone like Mathis, but I fear that would be too much to ask the general audience to recall. For Bond fans it would work, but not for the masses. Even a reference to Vesper might be a long shot. If the pts is a continuation I can see the DB5 being used. I'd prefer Bond to use a generic everyday car and show off his driving skills, rather than a super car or classic car being shown to do things it really would be unlikely to do. I guess time will tell.
    Exciting times ahead.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,740
    Re. the "old flame":
    The general audience won't even remember Vesper, so why go down that route (again)? Madeline is a long-shot, but that might work with a proper reintroduction.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,127
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Re. the "old flame":
    The general audience won't even remember Vesper, so why go down that route (again)? Madeline is a long-shot, but that might work with a proper reintroduction.

    What if
    the old flame is Dench's M :O
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