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There is a very clear distinction between a female James Bond and a female 007.
James Bond was assigned the '007' number when he joined MI6. He later retired. Therefore, the number '007' can be reassigned.
Why are people getting territorial about the number? Bond, as a character, lost the right to it when he quit MI6. It makes zero sense why MI6 would be respectful to Bond and retire the number with him.
For people who are finding it hard to grapple with the idea, think of the iconic No.7 shirt at Manchester United....Case over.
The bigger question is who could be the female 007.....is it too late to get Rachel Weisz?
If they go for a young actress, it'll just look like they're ripping off the Rey/Luke dynamic from Star Wars. Which reminds me of those Daisy Ridley rumours...
I imagine the tabloids will loose their shit over this story tomorrow.
Ohhhhhhhhhh, I see. I can see for miles now. Now I understand you, @PanchitoPistoles. I really, really do. You were confusing for me, I admit. But not anymore. Now, I truly understand your take on James Bond 007. Hell, fair enough. This is why we didn't see eye to eye for months. You should have said it long time ago, for I am a Fleming acolyte, as you put it. And as much as I adore cinema, I am a reader and writer foremost. I do like the first 4 Bond films very, very much. But truth be told, none of the others filled my enthusiasm as much as the novels did. So, ok my friend, your taste is your prerogative.
But just to be clear, you don't like Fleming acolytes and EON acolytes, but you do have your very own notion of what James Bond 007 should be, in other hands besides his literary creator and cinema producers. I'm right? Right? Oh, and no harm in that. Just fact checking. This is not an aggressive message to you in any way. I actually get where you're coming from now. And that shall bring me peace ;)
But when EON announces someone in some film as Ian Fleming's James Bond, I won't take that as a blatant lie. I'll take it with some hope, every single time. It's the positivist in me, trying to win, and oftentimes failing miserably.
I did too. Planning on rereading FAAD this Easter if I find the time to do so.
Just like the 007 gun logo, the main titles, the tuxedo...
Hope Casino Royale '67 and NSNA come in 4K UHD BluRay soon so those Bond "fans" who want the most possible unbondian Bond film can rewatch it all night long and stop praying for a film in which James Bond will no longer be James Bond.
"There are some very strong images associated with Bond. There is the James Bond silhouette, there is the gunbarrel image, there is the 007 logo - and all three immediately say James Bond."
-Keith Snelgrove, VP of Global Business Strategy, EON.
Quoted on The Art of Bond by Laurent Bouzereau (Abrams, 2006)
@Pierce2Daniel you can take use the character how ever you want but Fleming did make 007 only Bond of course Anthony put his spin on it but it's Fleming's Character.
I didn’t mind it either. That wasn’t really my point. It was a gimmick, ‘007 is dead’ was the in. It’s not vital to the story.
Stupid, stupid obsession!
Here, from a director and writer you do like ;)
Just messing with ya, of course. I say this before the police comes knocking. All good fun.
I understand the reverence and respect we have for Bond being 007.
But the Bond films' exist in there own universe. In that universe, Bond is a spy assigned a code-number. Within that universe, no one knows that Bond is a cultural icon created by Ian Fleming who has endured in cinema for decades as Agent 007.
Therefore, from a story perspective it is feasible and understandable that the code-number would be given to someone else. I understand the upset people have. But fundamentally, in the context of the story the number means little. On an iconography level, that is a different story.
In the world of football - the iconography is intimately melded to the number and Alex Ferguson didn't have any problem passing it on......
I know, I know, I just got that now. I finally get where you're coming from. Just not from the same place I'm coming from ;) But fine. BTW, have you read Fleming's books? Which ones? And what did you think of them. A quick answer will suffice to ease my curiosity.
From my experience, people who don't like Fleming's novels, haven't read Fleming's novels. Or they don't read at all. Not being pejorative here. Really. Promise. Just curious.
Exactly. It was a gimmick. That's also my point. Do we really need gimmicks and formula tempering? Isn't there anyone out there with a sexy idea for a Bond script? Really? How disappointing. Right? I know you feel the same, @RC7. It's as though they've run out of good ideias or are ashamed of the womaniser suave stylish troubled character they have to work with. They don't need to stick to a formula per se, but even Fleming had some ideas they haven't used yet. We've been discussing them for years. Gimmicks just won't do. No more brothergates, I say. Give us some quality writing, for pete sake. But hey, maybe they'll will. Maybe this time they'll positively surprise us.
@Pierce2Daniel like I said you can spin it however you want it's your opinion I have my opinion all I will say is 007 was still 007 or James Bond or I guess whatever you want to call it now. When his license was revoked in License to Kill he was still 007 or was he just James Bond and someone took over and got it back unofficially I don't know spin it how you want I guess all I want is to stay true to Fleming and that's all that matters. Just my opinion.
That's true of course. I like the "007 is dead" line they used in the marketing.
Female 007 takes over, gets in some trouble, Bond has to come back and save her and MI6.
There's no way that will fly. It suggests women are incompetent and always need a man to come along and save them and the job. I'd be shocked if this plot is followed.
However, that doesn't mean Bond is going to be changed into something unrecognisable in comparison to what has come before. Taking away the 007 moniker is a gimmick for sure, seeing as WE ALL KNOW he's going to get it back by the film's end. And then we'll have Bond 26, 27, 28 etc.
It's just a minor story detail that may or may not add something to the bigger picture. It doesn't shit on Fleming or "destroy Bond" at all.
It would be nice if a piece of news came in that didn't result in people spewing absolute lunacy.