No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Waltz has a much greater chance of returning than David Arnold.
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Waltz has a much greater chance of returning than David Arnold.

    You mention Arnold an awful lot. I think secretly you want to be him.... ;)
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    jake24 wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Some Belgian newspaper put the "article" about Craig being difficult etc on their site...

    BTW, will be the GE mansion be used as Bond's house? ;-) I wouldn't mind... :-)
    There was an extended press release handed to the media, that confirmed GoldenEye wouldn't be used as a location.

    Ok thanks Jake.

    Too bad. :(
    All this talk about Arnold is embarrassing., and what Arnold has been doing on Twitter in the pst few days is downright pathetic. The franchise has been elevated by Mendes, and Arnold is simply not good enough anymore. He will never work on a Bond film again.

    Opinions, trolls and etc are not facts.

  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    So is there a consensus that there will be an addressed 5y gap between the ending of SP and the start of B25? From what Harris was saying about MP it sure sounds like it. The one issue I'd have with that is how incredibly unfit for duty he must be if he's been "relaxing" in Jamaica for all these years. We saw what a few months did to him in Skyfall. Are we in for another training montage?
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    So is there a consensus that there will be an addressed 5y gap between the ending of SP and the start of B25? From what Harris was saying about MP it sure sounds like it. The one issue I'd have with that is how incredibly unfit for duty he must be if he's been "relaxing" in Jamaica for all these years. We saw what a few months did to him in Skyfall. Are we in for another training montage?

    In skyfall he was a bit depressed and dealing with different issues but in Bond25 he is enjoying his holiday just like in CR beach scene with vesper.
  • edited April 2019 Posts: 4,409
    So is there a consensus that there will be an addressed 5y gap between the ending of SP and the start of B25? From what Harris was saying about MP it sure sounds like it. The one issue I'd have with that is how incredibly unfit for duty he must be if he's been "relaxing" in Jamaica for all these years. We saw what a few months did to him in Skyfall. Are we in for another training montage?

    Is this what intrigued me......how well will Bond suit the “tranquil life”. I imagine he’s not fitting into it well. Hence why Felix’s offer intrigues him.

    In this interview, Fukunaga hints at the character-driven approach to action and how Bond will physically will be tested. I think we will get something close to CR where Bond will be a wreck after the action. It make sense considering his 5 years off:



    I’m very much looking forward to some set photos leaking very soon hopefully!

    Also, I’m getting the feeling the initial action sequence won’t end well and we may get a LTK-redux with Leiter either dying or getting maimed.

    I think it be painfully dumb if they bring back Madeleine to kill her. I hope she’s there to break up with Bond as their relationship isn’t working since his retirement
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    So is there a consensus that there will be an addressed 5y gap between the ending of SP and the start of B25? From what Harris was saying about MP it sure sounds like it. The one issue I'd have with that is how incredibly unfit for duty he must be if he's been "relaxing" in Jamaica for all these years. We saw what a few months did to him in Skyfall. Are we in for another training montage?

    Is this what intrigued me......how well will Bond suit the “tranquil life”. I imagine he’s not fitting into it well. Hence why Felix’s offer intrigues him.

    In this interview, Fukunaga hints at the character-driven approach to action and how Bond will physically will be tested:



    I’m very much looking forward to some set photos leaking very soon hopefully!

    Also, I’m getting the feeling the initial action sequence won’t end well and we may get a LTK-redux with Leiter either dying or getting maimed.

    I think it be painfully dumb if they bring back Madeleine to kill her. I hope she’s there to break up with Bond as their relationship isn’t working since his retirement

    She'll be leaving him because she's fed up with him constantly being on his PS4.
  • edited April 2019 Posts: 4,617
    With SF, he was depressed/angry/negative. He went into a dark place and did not take care of himself. Different scenario here. He should be in a good place. He quit on his own terms. Reminds me of the situation at the start of The Bourne Supremacy where Bourne is with the woman he loves with no threats/danger and we see him running on the beach (showing his mind is in a good place).

    I think they will go out of their way to show how happy/settled Bond is in order to maximise the drama in terms of what he is about to get himself into and how high the stakes are.

    Re Madeleine, does Bond do "breaking up", its all a bit domestic isn't it? We are used to the Bond girls just disappearing at the end of one film and we have a clean slate for the next movie. One of the issues with having a plot continuation is how Bond deals with long term relationships (how Bond would hate that word). Having a row whilst doing the washing up is very much not Bond. "if thats how you feel, I'm packing my bags" "see if I care"

    What next? an apt with Relate?

    This is not Bond. Bond girls just disappear or get killed. Madeleine is a big issue for me. She bugs me.


  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    Regarding David Arnold, he's undeniably the best at creating John Barry pastiches with a touch of electro, and he writes some good leitmotivs, but he's never moved beyond the pastiche phase.
    The question is whether they want something that sounds like John Barry or if they want a radically different approach, just like they rebooted the franchise with Casino Royale on almost every other aspect that was starting to rely on nostalgia.
    I didn't mind Thomas Newman's score on Skyfall (even if I prefer his cousin Randy, who's unlikely to write a score for a Bond film...), I loved that they waited till we get to the garage to use the James Bond theme in full. I like "Los Muertos Estan Vivos", and I put the blame on Mendes for recycling the previous score on Spectre. That said, he should have accepted to integrate the melody to the song by Adele more often, and there aren't many memorable moments in his scores.

    The fact that they haven't made a decision suggests that Fukunaga and Broccoli may be open to something different. If it fails, they still have Arnold's number, and they know he'll do something honorable in a few weeks. Definitely not something as inventive as Barry (who had much more range, and had evolved a lot between his horn-heavy early scores and the melodious stuff played on strings he was more interested in, starting with Moonraker), but you can't have everything.

    I'm curious to know if Daniel Kleinman will do the credits again. Skyfall may have been his best work, but Spectre was definitely the worst of his contributions.
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    @HildebrandRarity
    Spot on observation. Music is such a powerful tool in the Bond movies. If they want to evoke the old feel of classic Bond, then surely, they go to Arnold? if the director has a whole new vision of what a Bond movie is, then you stear well clear of Arnold and go for something very new.

    It's really all down to the Director
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    I'm curious to know if Daniel Kleinman will do the credits again. Skyfall may have been his best work, but Spectre was definitely the worst of his contributions.

    I can't watch the SP title sequence without laughing. The tentacles makes me think of a certain scene in Bullshot (1983).
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    All this talk about Arnold is embarrassing., and what Arnold has been doing on Twitter in the pst few days is downright pathetic. The franchise has been elevated by Mendes, and Arnold is simply not good enough anymore. He will never work on a Bond film again.
    The guy who directed SPECTRE elevated the franchise? Oh boy
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    Every composer have followed the template. I don't want horns, brass and strings replaced with fx rock music, just for the sake of "trying something new."
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    "Paloma" means "dove" in Spanish.

    "Nomi" is a city in Trento, Italy, and... a chair:

    nomi-trona.jpg

    Is Nomi a common name in any language?
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    In the video above Fukunaga says he likes carrying on with tradition. Not wanting to put words into his mouth but the score, or Bond sound, is very much part of that tradition. Therefore, it's not inconceivable that Arnold could be invited back for composer duties to continue on with that tradition. Having said that, we know how Eon tend to sit up and take notice of Oscar winners nowadays, so maybe someone like Ludwig Goransson will be top of their composer's list for B25. I'm of the opinion that the filmmakers already know who they're going to appoint, they're just holding back on making an announcement in order to stagger the amount of B25 showbiz news. Obviously same goes for the title song performer, even though I'll be greatly surprised if it isn't Dua Lipa.
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    I don't think David Arnold himself can exactly be described as a 'Bond tradition'.

    Apart from actual facts about the production most of what was said was waflfe and hot air. Saying you respect tradition could mean anything. I'm sure Tamahori made the same empty sounds at the DAD launch.

    Even Craig's comments about whether it's his last managed to sow further uncertainty rather than enlighten us. Prior to this press junket we all assumed he'd be gone after B25 - now who knows?
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I don't think David Arnold himself can exactly be described as a 'Bond tradition'

    That's true
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    True. But the musical score is more of the tradition, which Arnold gets.

    Maybe Tamahori did make the same empty sounds at the DAD launch, but he still kept Arnold for that distinct traditional Bond vibe.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Does anyone else get a possible 60's vibe from the brief press videos we've seen so far?
    Several of the comments regarding inspiration and favourite movies from the franchise have been DN, FRWL and GF.
    I'm wondering if this film could have a more 60's feel to it as far as tone goes.
    It's really boosted my enthusiasm for what's in store. I think this could be a very different Bond film, whilst retaining all the elements we love. I'm hoping Malek delivers more than Waltz with his phone it in Blofeld. Though I blame the script and direction for Waltz's performance. I hope Malek doesn't get the same treatment.
    I think having a new director will help immensely, Mendes shouldn't have returned for SP.
  • edited April 2019 Posts: 17,762
    ggl007 wrote: »
    "Paloma" means "dove" in Spanish.

    "Nomi" is a city in Trento, Italy, and... a chair:

    nomi-trona.jpg

    Is Nomi a common name in any language?

    Found this:
    "The name Nomi is a girl's name of Hebrew, Japanese origin meaning "beautiful, pleasant, delightful ".

    There's also Noomi, which is used in Nordic countries. Noomi Rapace is one example (ex-wife of SF's Ola Rapace).
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    COME ON, EON! GIVE US SOME NEWS!
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    I don't have an issue with Arnold. His best work is very good. And I like it when he's given the chance to work on the title track and work the themes into the score. Worked brilliantly on CR (although much less so with TWINE). TND would have been much better if Arnold's Surrender had been used for the title sequence. Ditto SF and SP would have been elevated with Arnold on board - imagine what he would have done with Adelle's song theme throughout the movie - not worth thinking about the missed opportunities.

    However I feel it's unlikely he will return this time or probably ever. Why would Fukunaga use Arnold when he can work with anyone he wants? And I suspect the same will apply to future directors as well.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Walecs wrote: »
    All this talk about Arnold is embarrassing., and what Arnold has been doing on Twitter in the pst few days is downright pathetic. The franchise has been elevated by Mendes, and Arnold is simply not good enough anymore. He will never work on a Bond film again.
    The guy who directed SPECTRE elevated the franchise? Oh boy

    The guy who directed skyfall would be more appropriate, except Martin Campbell no bond director left on a high note, so I have nothing against Mendes.
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    I'm sorry I haven't read every comment since the event, but am I the only one noticing some parallels to Pearson's 'Unauthorized Biography'? We start with an uneasily 'retired' Bond living in comfort in Jamaica, but still keeping one eye on the horizon. A shadowy figure arrives with an offer to rejoin the action, and . . . Bond is off for one last ride.
  • edited April 2019 Posts: 3,333
    I don't disagree @Getafix. Which was why I believe the producers will more than likely be chasing Oscar winners and nominees to raise their profile. I was just trying to offer Arnold an olive branch of sorts.

    What other parallels are there to Pearson's 'Unauthorized Biography'? I've never read it @octofinger. The only thing I'm aware of in the book is that we're introduced to a retired James Bond—who is in his fifties, yet healthy, sun-tanned, and married to Honeychile Ryder.
  • StanKobraStanKobra Serbia
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    octofinger wrote: »
    I'm sorry I haven't read every comment since the event, but am I the only one noticing some parallels to Pearson's 'Unauthorized Biography'? We start with an uneasily 'retired' Bond living in comfort in Jamaica, but still keeping one eye on the horizon. A shadowy figure arrives with an offer to rejoin the action, and . . . Bond is off for one last ride.

    Very interesting, good catch!

    What do we think about filming schedule? Month in Jamaica, 2 months in UK (Pinewood and locations around London) and then month, or a bit more, in Italy?
  • mybudgetbondmybudgetbond The World
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    octofinger wrote: »
    I'm sorry I haven't read every comment since the event, but am I the only one noticing some parallels to Pearson's 'Unauthorized Biography'? We start with an uneasily 'retired' Bond living in comfort in Jamaica, but still keeping one eye on the horizon. A shadowy figure arrives with an offer to rejoin the action, and . . . Bond is off for one last ride.

    I would be very happy with that. I love that book!
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Craig's reaction when asked if this will be his last Bond movie is certainly not an indicator that he wont return methinks. He's quite coy when asked. Although likely, I think it's possible that he could have a change of heart.
    If the box office is high enough, it may well have a huge impact as to whether Craig returns. EON would certainly like him back regardless I think it would be safe to say.
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    MGW said at the start they wanted him to do 7. I think as far as Babs is concerned she has her perfect Bond. He could easily have done 7 the times he's had in the role.
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    I think it's possibly still up in the air @Benny. Craig is definitely giving the impression that this is his final Bond and that it's now time to let someone else have a shot at being 007, but at the same time he's also implying things could happen to make him change his mind. Personally, I think he should bow out after this one.
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