No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    They should also have done this on Russell Crowe's belly on a few films he's done.

    Or on Steven Segal in everything over the last 20 years

    That abdomen looks like it was CGI rendered, what with all that's going on down there. ;-)

    When it comes to Seagal, CGI would be put to better use by making his running less girly. ;)
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Really weird piece of news in Spanish newspaper: https://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/20190616/462896686315/submarino-sant-cugat-inmersion-patrick-lahey-triton-submarines.html?utm_campaign=botones_sociales_app&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social

    It is about a Canadian making turistic submarines, but: "también de Sant Cugat podrán salir las primeras unidades de Neptune, un submarino de lujo, creado en colaboración con Aston Martin y que fuentes bien informadas aseguran que hará su aparición en la próxima película de James Bond."

    "also from Sant Cugat will be able to leave the first units of Neptune, a luxury submarine, created in collaboration with Aston Martin and which informed sources assure that it will make its appearance in the next James Bond movie. "

    ???

    This is the Project Neptune: https://tritonsubs.com/projectneptune/

    NeptuneHeroFinal-LimeEssence.jpg
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 1,661
    Re the Sun article - could Craig's injury limit his action potential in the rest of the film? What I mean is, if I were in the producers' shoes I'd be reluctant to risk Craig doing too much action for fear of another injury. Use stuntmen, wide angle shots for some of the stuff. Close-up stuff it can be Craig but if there's even a remote risk of potential damage to his ankle - it's not worth the risk? It's one of those really unfortunate things, happening right at the start of filming. Had the injury been at the end of filming - not as problematic, perhaps.
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 6,709
    ggl007 wrote: »
    Really weird piece of news in Spanish newspaper: https://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/20190616/462896686315/submarino-sant-cugat-inmersion-patrick-lahey-triton-submarines.html?utm_campaign=botones_sociales_app&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social

    It is about a Canadian making turistic submarines, but: "también de Sant Cugat podrán salir las primeras unidades de Neptune, un submarino de lujo, creado en colaboración con Aston Martin y que fuentes bien informadas aseguran que hará su aparición en la próxima película de James Bond."

    "also from Sant Cugat will be able to leave the first units of Neptune, a luxury submarine, created in collaboration with Aston Martin and which informed sources assure that it will make its appearance in the next James Bond movie. "

    ???

    This is the Project Neptune: https://tritonsubs.com/projectneptune/

    NeptuneHeroFinal-LimeEssence.jpg

    That could be an interesting and exotic piece of machinery, that would harken back to the Connery days of Little Nelly and the Moore type of paraphernalia. Interesting, but highly unlikely, I think.
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Re the Sun article - could Craig's injury limit his action potential in the rest of the film? What I mean is, if I were in the producers' shoes I'd be reluctant to risk Craig doing too much action for fear of another injury. Use stuntmen, wide angle shots for some of the stuff. Close-up stuff it can be Craig but if there's even a remote risk of potential damage to his ankle - it's not worth the risk? It's one of those really unfortunate things, happening right at the start of filming. Had the injury been at the end of filming - not as problematic, perhaps.

    The thought had occurred to me, but in a good way. I like my Bond to be a mystery man, a spy, and not too much of an action hero. Leave the running for the likes of Hunt. That being said, Craig is a top action actor, so he knows his limits. I wouldn't be too worried. Have you seen those arms? He can run on those ;) if he wants to, for miles.

    That being said, I'll leave you with an exemplar work from Mr. Waldek, regarding Daniel Craig's proficiency in running ;)

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited June 2019 Posts: 10,591
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Re the Sun article - could Craig's injury limit his action potential in the rest of the film? What I mean is, if I were in the producers' shoes I'd be reluctant to risk Craig doing too much action for fear of another injury. Use stuntmen, wide angle shots for some of the stuff. Close-up stuff it can be Craig but if there's even a remote risk of potential damage to his ankle - it's not worth the risk? It's one of those really unfortunate things, happening right at the start of filming. Had the injury been at the end of filming - not as problematic, perhaps.
    This is definitely the case. He won't be doing as much of the stunts as on previous films - and Jean Charles Rousseau (Craig's stunt double) is said to be doing more of the action. Honestly, putting Craig into the action isn't worth the risk. As long as it's convincing it shouldn't be an issue. It's a bit of a shame though as Craig looks to be in his best shape since CR.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Univex wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »
    Really weird piece of news in Spanish newspaper: https://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/20190616/462896686315/submarino-sant-cugat-inmersion-patrick-lahey-triton-submarines.html?utm_campaign=botones_sociales_app&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social

    It is about a Canadian making turistic submarines, but: "también de Sant Cugat podrán salir las primeras unidades de Neptune, un submarino de lujo, creado en colaboración con Aston Martin y que fuentes bien informadas aseguran que hará su aparición en la próxima película de James Bond."

    "also from Sant Cugat will be able to leave the first units of Neptune, a luxury submarine, created in collaboration with Aston Martin and which informed sources assure that it will make its appearance in the next James Bond movie. "

    ???

    This is the Project Neptune: https://tritonsubs.com/projectneptune/

    NeptuneHeroFinal-LimeEssence.jpg

    That could be an interesting and exotic piece of machinery, that would harken back to the Connery days of Little Nelly and the Moore type of paraphernalia. Interesting, but highly unlikely, I think.
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Re the Sun article - could Craig's injury limit his action potential in the rest of the film? What I mean is, if I were in the producers' shoes I'd be reluctant to risk Craig doing too much action for fear of another injury. Use stuntmen, wide angle shots for some of the stuff. Close-up stuff it can be Craig but if there's even a remote risk of potential damage to his ankle - it's not worth the risk? It's one of those really unfortunate things, happening right at the start of filming. Had the injury been at the end of filming - not as problematic, perhaps.

    The thought had occurred to me, but in a good way. I like my Bond to be a mystery man, a spy, and not too much of an action hero. Leave the running for the likes of Hunt. That being said, Craig is a top action actor, so he knows his limits. I wouldn't be too worried. Have you seen those arms? He can run on those ;) if he wants to, for miles.

    That being said, I'll leave you with an exemplar work from Mr. Waldek, regarding Daniel Craig's proficiency in running ;)


    Craig has definitely been the best runner of the Bonds, but it isn t worth repeating for B25 if it ruins his health. Film trickery and stuntmen can do that job.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Re the Sun article - could Craig's injury limit his action potential in the rest of the film? What I mean is, if I were in the producers' shoes I'd be reluctant to risk Craig doing too much action for fear of another injury. Use stuntmen, wide angle shots for some of the stuff. Close-up stuff it can be Craig but if there's even a remote risk of potential damage to his ankle - it's not worth the risk? It's one of those really unfortunate things, happening right at the start of filming. Had the injury been at the end of filming - not as problematic, perhaps.





    Could they not adapt equipment like this or that used in circus arts to allow Craig to continue doing his own stunts as previously planned, but take the weight off his ankle?

    If Marvel/DC can do a whole film with CGI/green screen, could they not invent some sort of apparatus that allows actors natural freedom of movement but catches them before they hit the ground, or allows them to run slightly off the ground if they're injured, and then close the gap in post?
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited June 2019 Posts: 1,165
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Re the Sun article - could Craig's injury limit his action potential in the rest of the film? What I mean is, if I were in the producers' shoes I'd be reluctant to risk Craig doing too much action for fear of another injury. Use stuntmen, wide angle shots for some of the stuff. Close-up stuff it can be Craig but if there's even a remote risk of potential damage to his ankle - it's not worth the risk? It's one of those really unfortunate things, happening right at the start of filming. Had the injury been at the end of filming - not as problematic, perhaps.





    Could they not adapt equipment like this or that used in circus arts to allow Craig to continue doing his own stunts as previously planned, but take the weight off his ankle?

    If Marvel/DC can do a whole film with CGI/green screen, could they not invent some sort of apparatus that allows actors natural freedom of movement but catches them before they hit the ground, or allows them to run slightly off the ground if they're injured, and then close the gap in post?
    I’m sure they could but at that point it sounds far more feasible to leave it to the stunt team, and instead use clever filming and editing (with a bit of CGI use) to mask it. Especially since Bond traditionally uses sets for their action scenes rather than pure green screen.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Minion wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Re the Sun article - could Craig's injury limit his action potential in the rest of the film? What I mean is, if I were in the producers' shoes I'd be reluctant to risk Craig doing too much action for fear of another injury. Use stuntmen, wide angle shots for some of the stuff. Close-up stuff it can be Craig but if there's even a remote risk of potential damage to his ankle - it's not worth the risk? It's one of those really unfortunate things, happening right at the start of filming. Had the injury been at the end of filming - not as problematic, perhaps.





    Could they not adapt equipment like this or that used in circus arts to allow Craig to continue doing his own stunts as previously planned, but take the weight off his ankle?

    If Marvel/DC can do a whole film with CGI/green screen, could they not invent some sort of apparatus that allows actors natural freedom of movement but catches them before they hit the ground, or allows them to run slightly off the ground if they're injured, and then close the gap in post?
    At that point, it sounds far more feasible to leave it to the stunt team, and instead use clever filming and editing (with a bit of CGI use) to mask it, especially since Bond traditionally uses sets for their action scenes rather than purely green screen.

    I was thinking more so for the future. And not necessarily Bond, but films in general.

    Far more actors are wanting to do their own stunts and injuries do occur. So in my mind it makes sense to invent something that supports their body weight and protects their injury while also allowing them near natural movement.

    For example, in those clips some of the wire work allows the stunt team to run with their feet barely touching the ground. If they could adapt something to allow actors with leg injuries to run on air so to speak, thereby taking the pressure of their legs, and closing in any gaps in post production.

    To be honest, I'm suprised they haven't already done this given how much money is invested in these films. Especially with all the reboots of old action franchises starring the original leads. How many more Rambo and Die Hard films could they squeeze out if the risk of a busted hip was minimised? $$$$$
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    James Bond isn t The Flash, so his running doesn t have to match.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    ggl007 wrote: »
    Really weird piece of news in Spanish newspaper: https://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/20190616/462896686315/submarino-sant-cugat-inmersion-patrick-lahey-triton-submarines.html?utm_campaign=botones_sociales_app&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social

    It is about a Canadian making turistic submarines, but: "también de Sant Cugat podrán salir las primeras unidades de Neptune, un submarino de lujo, creado en colaboración con Aston Martin y que fuentes bien informadas aseguran que hará su aparición en la próxima película de James Bond."

    "also from Sant Cugat will be able to leave the first units of Neptune, a luxury submarine, created in collaboration with Aston Martin and which informed sources assure that it will make its appearance in the next James Bond movie. "

    ???

    This is the Project Neptune: https://tritonsubs.com/projectneptune/

    NeptuneHeroFinal-LimeEssence.jpg

    Back in October 2018 Andy Palmer confirmed that “Aston Martin will be collaborating in the next chapter of Bond.”

    Thus far no new car has been revealed, just the dusted off Dalton era Series III zooming around Norway.

    A few pages back their was mention of specialised underwater cinematographers working on an underwater fight scene sequence, and Malek's stunt double mentioned stunts that have never been done before. What if this mini sub is involved?

    Of course I'm just speculating based on scraps of information. But, in theory they could keep this sub entirely underwraps until the film drops.

    That, or the little girl falls through the ice and drives off in her new mini sub!
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    I see at least one Aston Martin in Matera...
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    @ggl007 Maybe he really misses that Fiat Panada :P
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    ggl007 wrote: »
    I see at least one Aston Martin in Matera...

    Where?
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »
    I see at least one Aston Martin in Matera...

    Where?

    Sorry, I wanted to say I foresee at least one Aston in Matera.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    In the old days: "how did they do that"?

    Nowadays: "Oh, CGI."

    If it weren't for Christopher Nolan using old techniques, movie magic would be long gone.
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 17,753
    In the old days: "how did they do that"?

    Nowadays: "Oh, CGI."

    If it weren't for Christopher Nolan using old techniques, movie magic would be long gone.

    What about Tarantino? Paul Thomas Anderson?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    In the old days: "how did they do that"?

    Nowadays: "Oh, CGI."

    If it weren't for Christopher Nolan using old techniques, movie magic would be long gone.

    What about Tarantino? Paul Thomas Anderson?

    JJ Abrams too, love him or not, uses plenty of old school tricks. The Force Awakens is full of them. Denis Villeneuve is another (Blade Runner 2049 is a practical marvel, you just can't tell what's what a lot of the time because it's so seamless) and that is just two more names on top of a list of hundreds of other directors who still choose to use practical effects, not just because they are better, but because they are generally more cost effective.

    Sounds like someone doesn't watch enough films.
  • Posts: 17,753
    In the old days: "how did they do that"?

    Nowadays: "Oh, CGI."

    If it weren't for Christopher Nolan using old techniques, movie magic would be long gone.

    What about Tarantino? Paul Thomas Anderson?

    JJ Abrams too, love him or not, uses plenty of old school tricks. The Force Awakens is full of them. Denis Villeneuve is another (Blade Runner 2049 is a practical marvel, you just can't tell what's what a lot of the time because it's so seamless) and that is just two more names on top of a list of hundreds of other directors who still choose to use practical effects, not just because they are better, but because they are generally more cost effective.

    Sounds like someone doesn't watch enough films.

    Indeed, there are many names that deserves to be mentioned as far as old techniques goes – these are just some of them.
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    I get the sense that a lot of directors like old school SFX. They just look better. CGI immediately makes everything look like a cartoon.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I get the sense that a lot of directors like old school SFX. They just look better. CGI immediately makes everything look like a cartoon.

    I'm finding this discussion quite fascinating as I had no idea, Nolan, J.J. Abrams and other contemporary directors embraced older techniques. That in itself makes me appreciate their work more. I do feel practical effects, detailed miniature work and so forth look far better to the video game-esque CGI effects.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    Getafix wrote: »
    CGI immediately makes everything look like a cartoon.

    Nonsense

  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Danny Boyle ditches Bond for The Beatles with Yesterday film
    https://itv.com/news/2019-06-17/danny-boyle-director-yesterday-the-beatles-film

    The Oscar-winning director speaks at length for the first time to ITV News about his acrimonious split from the latest James Bond film, citing creative differences with the producers.

    He said: "It would have been very neat to go from Beatles to Bond, that would have been very cute, no, sadly we kind of parted company, we were working on it for quite a while and then we parted companies."

    "It's a producers' film really in a way and they just, they just didn't see it the way we saw it and when you have those huge films you have to have harmony, at script stage anyway."
  • Posts: 9,846
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Danny Boyle ditches Bond for The Beatles with Yesterday film
    https://itv.com/news/2019-06-17/danny-boyle-director-yesterday-the-beatles-film

    The Oscar-winning director speaks at length for the first time to ITV News about his acrimonious split from the latest James Bond film, citing creative differences with the producers.

    He said: "It would have been very neat to go from Beatles to Bond, that would have been very cute, no, sadly we kind of parted company, we were working on it for quite a while and then we parted companies."

    "It's a producers' film really in a way and they just, they just didn't see it the way we saw it and when you have those huge films you have to have harmony, at script stage anyway."

    and Panchito complains in 5 4 3 2 1
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited June 2019 Posts: 480
    People have issues with CGI, when it's the obvious green screen stuff, and Justice League was full of them due to the extensive reshoots that didn't even allow the graphic artists to do a decent job (or the moustache fiasco). The sloppiness also comes from too many physics-defying moves when it comes to filming the scenes (something that affected Peter Jackson on the Hobbit films). When anything is possible, nothing looks surprising.

    But there are many directors such as David Fincher, Christopher Nolan, or George Miller, as the video points it out, who have kept on doing practical effects, while relying on CGI to enhance it. Removing wires or reflections in a window, that's also CGI.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Getafix wrote: »
    CGI immediately makes everything look like a cartoon.

    Nonsense


    I saw this a while back; it’s really excellent.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Danny Boyle ditches Bond for The Beatles with Yesterday film
    https://itv.com/news/2019-06-17/danny-boyle-director-yesterday-the-beatles-film

    The Oscar-winning director speaks at length for the first time to ITV News about his acrimonious split from the latest James Bond film, citing creative differences with the producers.

    He said: "It would have been very neat to go from Beatles to Bond, that would have been very cute, no, sadly we kind of parted company, we were working on it for quite a while and then we parted companies."

    "It's a producers' film really in a way and they just, they just didn't see it the way we saw it and when you have those huge films you have to have harmony, at script stage anyway."

    It’s EON’s franchise, so they have every right to demand what they expect from a Bond film. Boyle forgot the first rule of mass media, you’ve got to give the people what they want.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Danny Boyle ditches Bond for The Beatles with Yesterday film
    https://itv.com/news/2019-06-17/danny-boyle-director-yesterday-the-beatles-film

    The Oscar-winning director speaks at length for the first time to ITV News about his acrimonious split from the latest James Bond film, citing creative differences with the producers.

    He said: "It would have been very neat to go from Beatles to Bond, that would have been very cute, no, sadly we kind of parted company, we were working on it for quite a while and then we parted companies."

    "It's a producers' film really in a way and they just, they just didn't see it the way we saw it and when you have those huge films you have to have harmony, at script stage anyway."

    It’s EON’s franchise, so they have every right to demand what they expect from a Bond film. Boyle forgot the first rule of mass media, you’ve got to give the people what they want.

    Not that EON is always good in assessing what the people want, but hey...
    I think Boyle forgot the rule before that one: Bond is mass media, not some indie project where he can truly see (only) his vision come to life.
  • Posts: 1,680
    If Boyle stayed we’d be getting the film in 4 months from now
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