No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 1,631
    Sas wrote: »
    If Tom Hiddleston was indeed offered the job and he accepted, when will they announce he is the new Bond?

    Probably not anytime soon. MGM still has to sort out their distribution deal.

    That said, it's probably something of a moot point anyway. There still isn't any real evidence that Hiddleston has the job.
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    He is trying really hard. Doesn't get even the slightest tickle out of this girl though.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tom-hiddleston-boxers-w-magazine_us_5767ea8de4b0fbbc8beadb4e

    LOOOOL oh why did I click on this. If he's trying to get the lead in Zoolander 3, then this should work for him. Come on, who didn't laugh just a little at this "sexy" photoshoot? His "please look at me" campaign is getting a little desperate now.
  • Posts: 2,081
    OT, but...

    Ehh... that was not a good photo shoot of Hiddleston. In fact, photo shoots like that tend to be bad in general - also when they are of women, of course (and they mostly are of women). Trying hard to be sexy - and assuming lack of clothing or awkward poses is the way to achieve that - basically always fails, for the simple reason that it looks fake, unnatural and tacky. Very much the fault of the photographers/magazines too, of course - they should know better. Just my opinion, of course... maybe most people enjoy photo shoots like that and that's why magazines use them so much? I've certainly seen some guys here be all excited about such photo shoots when it's an actress in it instead. (I roll my eyes at those, too.)

    It's not like I have anything against lack of clothing in itself. I'm all for increased male nudity in movies and all - when it's a natural part of the story that is being told. (The imbalance of female vs male nudity is what's sexist and unnatural.) British - and many other European - actors seem to be okay with it, and the audiences as well. But what, you can't even show a guy's butt in a tv series in the US? Seriously? (If Hiddleston's needed to be cut from the US version of The Night Manager.) That's beyond ridiculous.

    Anyway, when it comes to photo shoots, it's a different situation entirely (even if it's underwear instead of nude... or shirtless instead of wearing a t-shirt); there is no character and story - it's the actor/actress, and it's all about selling themselves as "sexy" and it frequently ends up being just nnnngh and eye-roll-inducing.
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 2,599
    It's a little difficult to imagine Graham Rye being wrong. I was a member of the James Bond 'British' then 'International' Fan club from the mid nineties to 2001. However, maybe he isn't on good terms with Eon anymore. I seldom see his face at these official events like I used to. Maybe his insider is now less reliable. I can't help thinking that many lies are being passed around now as it's just too easy in this day and age for people to find out the truth prior to official announcements (I haven't worked in the film industry for a while. Maybe I'll return at some point). Whatever happens, I won't be surprised at the news. At the end of the day, I find it all a bit laughable. We're only talking about the harmless entertainment industry here. It's not like state secrets are being shared that threaten national security. Websites/the media love to claim that they are in the know before anyone else about a mere movie/actor etc. If Cox (the book bond) is only interested in the books these days, then why did he even bother posting the Craig article?:

    http://www.thebookbond.com/

    Okay, it's understandable when money is involved - competition, business...

    I will say it again: occasionally, the media do get it right...

    I have come close to giving up on the Bond movies and cease following all the news but then Eon always seem to redeem themselves and spark up my interest again, what with Casino Royale and then Skyfall. What interests me even more however, is who will be writing the next adult Bond book. Please let it be Horowitz again! Okay, back to the movies... :) In fact, Horowitz should be writing Bond 25.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I want Craig to return partly because he enjoys playing the role. Many disagree, but to me, he just seems rather disinterested and bored in some scenes in SP. If he's solely returning for the money, I worry the same will happen.

    I get where you're coming from, but as with 'bored' Connery in YOLT, I think Craig still gives a good performance.

    Give me bored Craig over fully engaged Brosnan any day!

    Craig should make at least one more IMO. With a pretty dark ending.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I want Craig to return partly because he enjoys playing the role. Many disagree, but to me, he just seems rather disinterested and bored in some scenes in SP. If he's solely returning for the money, I worry the same will happen.

    I get where you're coming from, but as with 'bored' Connery in YOLT, I think Craig still gives a good performance.

    Give me bored Craig over fully engaged Brosnan any day!

    Craig should make at least one more IMO. With a pretty dark ending.
    Indeed. Involving a final battle between Bond and Blofeld at the Garden of Death, perhaps?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I really don't get this blind love for tragedian endings... Let's make everyone die, commit suicide, drop themselves off a bridge, slit their wrists out of misery and everyone in here will get what they want... a "dark" ending...

    Some changes should be made in the fandom.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    A dark ending doesn't necessarily need to be tragedian though.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Oh it wasn't directed at you, @jake24. I do love dark elements and stuff... But, all this hatred for 'happy endings' is just putting me off further than before. Since when James Bond has been about miserable memoirs of a depressed man?
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 6,844
    Oh it wasn't directed at you, @jake24. I do love dark elements and stuff... But, all this hatred for 'happy endings' is just putting me off further than before. Since when James Bond has been about miserable memoirs of a depressed man?

    Since Fleming ;)

    Not quite the way you put it, but Fleming did indeed allow Bond to become introspective, philosophical, self-questioning, and morose from time to time. In the right measures and in the hands of the right filmmakers, those aspects of the literary character could play out in a very satisfying way on film. Personally, I'm game for a more upbeat, more traditional, more adventurous, and more carefree type of Bond film following the navel-gazing of Skyfall and the line-straddling "let's rehash every Bond film that's gone before while still making everything dark as all fluff" approach of Spectre. But again, if it's done right, I'm fully behind the idea of a smartly morose dose of Fleming on film.

    What the filmmakers absolutely should not do at this point is to try and have it both ways. Make a fun, adventurous film with a few dark elements if you want to. Or make a dark, somber, artistic film with a few fun elements. But please, please, please don't try to do everything at the same time. The film commits neither way and it just comes off a mess.
  • Birdleson wrote: »

    It actually was a major aspect of the character's development. Throughout the novels there was a cumulative effect (the death, the loss, torture). By the time we get to YOLT and TMWTGG he's a mess.

    Probably reflecting the author's worsening health.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited June 2016 Posts: 15,423
    Since Fleming, only a few times has there been where Bond was depressed. One of them was notably the beginning of You Only Live Twice when not even psychiatrists could rescue him from the position he was put in, in the aftermath of the demise of his bride.

    Other than that, despite never on par with the films, the Bond novels have always been about all those boyish enthusiasms and adventures that was the fantasy of every red-blooded male at the time, only made more realistic than the likes of Bulldog Drummond and The Saint. Of course Bond always was self-questioning, doubting his own more than once, because he was real. Not a superhero in a silver age absurdity. Fleming, most of the times, gave Bond happy endings, and just for the reasons some of the members here mentioned, in spite of them all, I do love the entity of The Man With The Golden Gun. Sure, there's always a struggle, there's always wrestle with difficulties, but it's the end that matters most where after efforts and a little bit of luck in hand, Bond comes out on top, being the last one to smile victoriously so to speak.

    Probably Skyfall was a one-time 'okay', but if the Bond films are to adopt that template for every film, then it won't be a Bond film. And for that reason alone, I am very satisfied with Bond driving off with Madeleine into the sunset. Clobber me all you like, I'm always for the old formula.
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    Oh it wasn't directed at you, @jake24. I do love dark elements and stuff... But, all this hatred for 'happy endings' is just putting me off further than before. Since when James Bond has been about miserable memoirs of a depressed man?

    Since Fleming ;)

    Not quite the way you put it, but Fleming did indeed allow Bond to become introspective, philosophical, self-questioning, and morose from time to time. In the right measures and in the hands of the right filmmakers, those aspects of the literary character could play out in a very satisfying way on film. Personally, I'm game for a more upbeat, more traditional, more adventurous, and more carefree type of Bond film following the navel-gazing of Skyfall and the line-straddling "let's rehash every Bond film that's gone before while still making everything dark as all fluff" approach of Spectre. But again, if it's done right, I'm fully behind the idea of a smartly morose dose of Fleming on film.

    What the filmmakers absolutely should not do at this point is to try and have it both ways. Make a fun, adventurous film with a few dark elements if you want to. Or make a dark, somber, artistic film with a few fun elements. But please, please, please don't try to do everything at the same time. The film commits neither way and it just comes off a mess.


    Couldn't agree more. For many years, I've always said that this multi-faceted approach just doesn't work very well. It's why Spectre didn't really work. It's a pity that the film makers just don't realise this. If Spectre had have maintained the consistent tone of CR and SF, with a better story, it could have been a great film.
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 2,599
    I tell you, if Craig wants to be more light hearted and humourous like in Spectre, then I hope that he doesn't return.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited June 2016 Posts: 12,480
    If Craig is gone, I am truly sad. And his era is left unfinished; not ending on the note it should, no. Definitely not.

    And I can say I have never disliked a candidate as much as I do Hiddleston, who does nothing for me and I also cannot stand his looks. So not Bond. So that would be by far most upsetting news. I did not care at all for Clive Owen either, but Hiddleston would be such a poor choice and would be very unwelcome news for me.

    Not considering this a sure thing yet, though. We shall see.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I agree. I want Daniel back.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Oh it wasn't directed at you, @jake24. I do love dark elements and stuff... But, all this hatred for 'happy endings' is just putting me off further than before. Since when James Bond has been about miserable memoirs of a depressed man?

    Since Fleming ;)

    Not quite the way you put it, but Fleming did indeed allow Bond to become introspective, philosophical, self-questioning, and morose from time to time. In the right measures and in the hands of the right filmmakers, those aspects of the literary character could play out in a very satisfying way on film. Personally, I'm game for a more upbeat, more traditional, more adventurous, and more carefree type of Bond film following the navel-gazing of Skyfall and the line-straddling "let's rehash every Bond film that's gone before while still making everything dark as all fluff" approach of Spectre. But again, if it's done right, I'm fully behind the idea of a smartly morose dose of Fleming on film.

    It actually was a major aspect of the character's development. Throughout the novels there was a cumulative effect (the death, the loss, torture). By the time we get to YOLT and TMWTGG he's a mess.
    That is one possibility to interpret it. I never found that much character description within all that introspection. Let alone distinctive development.

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    If Craig is gone, I am truly sad. And his era is left unfinished; not ending on the note it should, no. Definitely not.

    And I can say I have never disliked a candidate as much as I do Hiddleston, who does nothing for me and I also cannot stand his looks. So not Bond. So that would be by far most upsetting news. I did not care at all for Clive Owen either, but Hiddleston would be such a poor choice and would be very unwelcome news for me.

    Not considering this a sure thing yet, though. We shall see.

    Hello! Finally someone who has as much distaste for (cringe) "Hiddles" as I do. I seriously can't think of any other legit candidate I'd want less than him. I'm almost getting nostalgic for the "glory" days of when Idris Elba was supposedly in line.
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 676
    Yeah, count me in the "no" camp for Hiddleston, too. He doesn't have the right presence. He's got an ectomorphic build, a thin face (no amount of bulking up will change that), puppy dog eyes and a voice lighter than Brosnan's. Not the right choice.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Count me in on the dislike. Flemming might have described Bond with a cruel mouth,
    but on Hiddles, it just looks cold - I can see no warmth in this man, no charme.

    But since I am much more a DC fan then a Bond fan (what surprise), I wouldn't want anybody who, in my mind, has it all. I hope for am outcome, where people will say after the next film - But DC was much better.

    Runs to hide under a large stone.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    If Craig truly is gone, then I want Fassbender as Bond.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I would be happy for Elba to be Bond, but he is definitely too old. That is not a consideration.

    I actually have a visceral negative reaction to Hiddleston, which is quite rare for me. But yeah, a major turn off.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    If Craig truly is gone, then I want Fassbender as Bond.
    Who wouldn´t.





    Milovy wrote: »
    Yeah, count me in the "no" camp for Hiddleston, too. He doesn't have the right presence. He's got an ectomorphic build, a thin face (no amount of bulking up will change that), puppy dog eyes and a voice lighter than Brosnan's. Not the right choice.
    James Bond shouldn´t be too bulked up at all. Craig owns the role as far as acting goes, but his body building is just ridiculous. It´s the most artificial thing, yet people insist on it for reasons of supposed realism. That´s a joke, really. James Bond should be tough as coffin nails, not an edematose balloon.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It's definitely a curious time, with much to think about. At this point, I honestly don't know what to believe. So many reports that conflict with what we heard last month, but at least now as time goes on we're hearing from more credible sources instead of the BS news slinging of bookies, tabloid rags and whatnot.

    I certainly think the rumors of Dan turning down the role because he couldn't get creative control is bogus. He's always been an influential part of the filmmaking process before SP without needing a credit or title, so why would that bug him now? It just doesn't strike me as an action Dan would take, especially since he, Barbara and MGW have always been so pleasant with one another. It seems like an out of character moment for all concerned, and that's why I find it false.

    Not certain about the validity of all this Hiddleston stuff either. I like the guy as a person (witty, sophisticated, intellectual) and his acting work, but I still don't know if I'd be okay with him as Bond. To be fair, no matter who the next Bond will be, whether it's soon or in a couple of years, they will be rather unfairly judged by me, simply because Dan has set such a high mark of quality with his films. As I've said before, when Dan's tenure ends, so too does a lot of my investment in the franchise. I don't see myself ever being this into Bond again, aside from writing about Connery's films, because the last four films have been everything I've ever wanted, and thinking about not getting any more is depressing.

    And as a Craig fan, it truly is troubling and nauseating to hear some reports vilifying him or making him seem pompous or greedy and cantankerous, etc. Anyone who bothers to know his true character could spot the false reports in a second, but our modern societies aren't known for being informed or observant, so I guess it's just a sign of the times more than anything. And, because we are so quick to police anyone who dares to jokingly be un-PC or *gasp* have a sense of humor, comments of Dan's with an obviousl and humorous frivolity to their delivery are taken as truth by those either too stupid to understand human communication and body/speech language, or manipulative enough to use the words to spin a click-bait story.

    The matter at hand...

    Is Dan done? I'm not sure, and that big elephant mystery in the room still bugs me. It sucks to hear all these conflicting things, or to see reports writing him as dead in the dust rather unceremoniously while we're all still in the dark over here, with nothing resembling an official announcement in sight. I will say that I am less optimistic about a return from him than I was a month or so ago, but that is only because of the more recent reliable sources that've come out from those who solely report on 007 news and have proven right in the past. Of course I would want nothing more than for Dan to return for one more ride in a film that deals with Bond hanging up his holster and dealing with a quiet life before Blofeld butts his head in again in an adaptation of YOLT with the Garden of Death included. SP didn't do it for me, conclusion wise, as we got no real confirmation of anything, part of why it was a false resolution. Is Bond done? Did he say his goodbyes? All too many questions, with Blofeld still able to cause a raucous from behind bars.

    If Dan truly opts out, I'd appreciate it if EON made the announcement and gave it to us straight up, whether he decides this week or next year. The moment he makes a final decision to stay or go, I feel we should know, because if we have to wait in the wings until a script for Bond 25 is ready or a distributor is chosen-which will be many, many excruciating months from now-just to hear that Dan is in for one last ride or done for good, all that time in between full of painful mystery and tense speculation will just be beyond horrid.

    If Dan is done, I'd like to know already so the mourning process can begin. If he isn't done and wants to do Bond 25, let us know so 1) those of us who like him don't need to worry and sweat bullets anymore, 2) writers can quit slinging stories vilify him and replacing him with a flavor of the week actor and 3) we can all share a sigh of relief that at least we know what to expect from the next film, regardless of when it may be coming. All this questioning of if Dan's in or out and who may step in to fill the role for the seventh go around is just nauseating, uncomfortable and headache inducing.

    I don't really have much else to say, beyond stating that "In Craig and EON I trust."
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    All my thumbs up!
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    My gut feeling is Dan still have not made his mind up and until he does Eon will remain professional and silent.
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    My gut feeling is Dan still have not made his mind up and until he does Eon will remain professional and silent.

    But what would take him so long? They must have mapped out some sort of idea,which he can take into consideration. I don't see this.


  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think Dan, if he is waiting, is doing so to see what story Bond 25 would tell. It's always the script that gets him going, as he wouldn't have even signed on for Bond without reading CR's script. He wants to attach himself with something that's going to tell an interesting story with Bond and that'll be worthy of the time and effort he'll inject into it. Of course, we have no idea what EON have done in regards to their thinking on Bond 25. Maybe EON and Dan have had back and forth talks on the story, maybe they haven't.

    I wish I could read Dan's mind; then I could be put at ease, whichever way his thoughts were leaning in regards to out the door or ready for more.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Thinking about it, I COULD imagine, after Sp being so problematic, that indeed he might not want to go into it without knowing, what will be on the plate. But in that case, they would need to be prepared to write 2 scripts. If he doesn't like it, he is out and they have to start all over again. Dunno...
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Happily, I don't buy in to all this doom and gloom. Bond will be around for years to come, and we'll see several new Bond actors. The series will continue and all will be well.
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