No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    No death for Madeleine. I would frankly rather see Bond die.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Then, we can lock the thread and start a Bond 25 Speculation/Rumours, and only post the production notes in the Production Diary thread.
    Why not have a single thread for both.

    @talos7, refer to page 1 of the topic. There indeed is a diary that is updated with each piece of news.

    Yes, I'm aware, thank you Jake24 for that advice . Just being a smart ass out of boredom. ;)

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    @echo That was always what bothered me about it too, as soon as I read the leaks. Le Chiffre and the Quantum members I thought was a great retcon that made a lot of sense. Spectre in the novels had members who were in positions of power in major crime syndicates (triads, mafia, etc) so it makes sense that they'd have people inside Quantum (White and Green). And it explains how Le Chiffre got in touch with Quantum in the first place: the whole thing was probably a Spectre operation with Blofeld funding Le Chiffre's plan by using White and Green to manipulate Quantum. I thought it all added up storywise and added a cool new layer to those films, that Spectre and Blofeld had been lurking in the background pulling the strings (I honestly wouldn't be opposed to a scene or two with Waltz's Blofeld, face obscurred, just his cat and his body ala his first few appearances, being added to future releases of CR and Quantum, maybe a post credit scene to not interrupt the flow of either film).

    Silva though, that annoyed me because it was so obviously meant to be a stand alone film. Silva's motives were entirely personal, there's nothing to indicate he has any ties to a pre-existing organisation, and it's something that really doesn't fit his character at all. Skyfall was Craig's Goldfinger, a break from the recurring villains. And it had enough of an impact on the overarching story (the death of M, the destruction of the MI6 building) for it to not seem pointless in the grand scheme of things. There was already enough of a personal link between Bond and Blofeld, and Spectre's influence in the first two films was enough, and the events of SF had already had enough of an impact on the film, so there was no need whatsoever to throw link Spectre back to Silva imo.

    There wasn't that much point in Green being a Specre member either actually. White provided enough of a link between Quantum and Spectre as it is, and I think it'd seem a lot less forced if it wasn't every single villain that was working for Blofeld.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Since Kissy was only named in the closing credits, I have no problem with Eon using that name in a future film.

    By "brave," I meant that they would never do a full reboot. CR is as close as we are going to get because they wanted to keep Dench (for good reason). I expect they'd want to keep Fiennes as well.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Keep someone.

    If it's a total re-boot, I not sure they should. It was done with Dench, but I think they either should maintain the existing incarnation, which would mean casting an actor who's somewhat close to Craig's age, or start from scratch with a new, younger, actor and a new supporting cast.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    They only kept Judi because she was the only safe bet for M, at the time. People still associated the character with her. Bond isn't as independent in taking decisions as a corporation production franchise like Batman or the other big franchises alike.

    Now, if they do a reboot, which I am sure they will... I mean, let's face it, this isn't the 1980s to transit from A View To A Kill to The Living Daylights as if things were the same yet Bond is younger than in the previous installment. Things are very different, now. And so is the film handling business. A reboot is inevitable, whether now or in the beginning of the next decade. Why? Dates. Aging characters. Tight continuity. People won't take ignoring and changing the chronological orders lightly with the new actor being younger and picking up where Craig left off. The Craig Bonds are different from what came before and certainly game changers... And Ralph Fiennes doesn't have the same iconic mark left on the series as Judi was, so I doubt they will keep him, let alone anyone else if a reboot occurs.
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    I really hope they keep Wishaw on reboot or not. He's brilliant as Q and he's young enough to play the role for years. Fiennes and Harris should only return if Craig does imo.

    I'd love to see YOLT done more faithfully (call it Shatterhand) but I'm against using the characters of Tiger and Kissy. They could easily create new characters (or really just new names) to fill their roles in the story.

    The reason I'm so against this is that I think rebooting one off characters, however minor, could send us down a rabbit hole to the point where classic Bond villains and girls get modern reboots, which I really don't want to see. Recurring characters like Felix, Blofeld, etc, that's fine. But one offs should stay one offs imo. If Fleming didn't feature them in more than one novel then I don't think they should be rebooted. The only scenario I'd accept is if they decided to do faithful period adaptations of all the novels (preferrably on TV, I wouldn't want the film series to go down this route).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I'm not sold on either of this Garden of Death (YOLT novel) outline nor Ben Whishaw as Q. I don't like either. And I certainly don't want any of the home team (or as others call The Scooby Gang) being of importance. Just stick to the primary outlines and I'll be fine with it. Alas, if they really do this revenge story thing with Madeleine going down and Blofeld repeating the Tracy Misfortune on Bond's head, things will really get tiresome I don't even think the audience will like it. We had it with Royale, Skyfall, partially Spectre and now the new one to be a tragic story with a damaged spy? 'No' is the word I'll respond with. It's time they put their heads back in the game and deliver a Bond adventure with Bond on a mission. The primary focus of the film should not be Bond, but his mission and the villain's scheme. No side stories, please.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Oh yes, I've read it; it's sound reasoning and I have no problem with it. I also see the validity of starting with a clean slate if the actor is of a completely different generation and is ushering in a new incarnation of the series.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I think I can make some predictions.

    The next Bond will be or have .......

    Filmed on the planet Earth
    Both male and female characters
    Walking will take place
    Villains and their plan will be prominent
    It will have one or two action sequences
    Clothing will be worn
    The film will have a soundtrack.

    My powers are strong today !
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited July 2016 Posts: 4,116
    I think I can make some predictions.

    The next Bond will be or have .......

    Filmed on the planet Earth
    Both male and female characters
    Walking will take place
    Villains and their plan will be prominent
    It will have one or two action sequences
    Clothing will be worn
    The film will have a soundtrack.

    My powers are strong today !

    :-? ...and this will hold true even if Logan writes?? Please confirm.

    Thanks!
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    "The film will have a soundtrack."
    Is that what we're calling the noisy thuds and boops and beeps that Thomas Newman creates?

    Sorry...couldn't resist.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited July 2016 Posts: 28,694
    Technically, SP didn't have a soundtrack of its own.


    It had SF's. ;)
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    Technically, SP didn't have a soundtrack of its own.


    It had SF's. ;)

    So very true!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Technically, SP didn't have a soundtrack of its own.


    It had SF's. ;)

    So very true!

    I don't know. I enjoyed the SP soundtrack more than SF minus the theme.

    Had an appropriate ghostly style to the music. Thomas did retread many themes from SF just like Arnold and Barry did occasionally.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2016 Posts: 23,883
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Technically, SP didn't have a soundtrack of its own.


    It had SF's. ;)

    So very true!

    I don't know. I enjoyed the SP soundtrack more than SF minus the theme.

    Had an appropriate ghostly style to the music. Thomas did retread many themes from SF just like Arnold and Barry did occasionally.
    I didn't mind it either. I'm not a fan of his action scoring (the boring car chase and that repetitive theme he used during the entire MI6 finale being the worst culprits) but his slower stuff is quite decent, and as you said, haunting. There were many things wrong with SP for me, and Newman's score reflected the derivative nature of the film - it wasn't any worse, but it certainly didn't lift the film either, like Barry's best efforts did on occasion (MR comes to mind).

    More than a new actor, the one thing I want for B25 is a completely new person for the score. No more Barry-lite retreads with Arnold for me. Let's try something new.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Technically, SP didn't have a soundtrack of its own.


    It had SF's. ;)

    So very true!

    I don't know. I enjoyed the SP soundtrack more than SF minus the theme.

    Had an appropriate ghostly style to the music. Thomas did retread many themes from SF just like Arnold and Barry did occasionally.
    I didn't mind it either. I'm not a fan of his action scoring (the boring car chase and that repetitive theme he used during the entire MI6 finale being the worst culprits) but his slower stuff is quite decent, and as you said, haunting. There were many things wrong with SP for me, and Newman's score reflected the derivative nature of the film - it wasn't any worse, but it certainly didn't lift the film either, like Barry's best efforts did on occasion (MR comes to mind).

    More than a new actor, the one thing I want for B25 is a completely new person for the score. No more Barry-lite retreads with Arnold for me. Let's try something new.

    That repetitive cliched typical action movie cue during the Mi6 climax bothered me to the point my friends and I couldn't help but mockingly comment on it in the cinema. Although many cues seemed copy/pasted from SF, I didn't feel the music itself was particularly bad. At least it wasn't Eric Serra's "Ladies First" track from GoldenEye repeatedly inserted throughout SPECTRE.
    I do hope B25 brings in some fresh talent to provide the score, or Arnold to make a comeback.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    bondjames wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Technically, SP didn't have a soundtrack of its own.


    It had SF's. ;)

    So very true!

    I don't know. I enjoyed the SP soundtrack more than SF minus the theme.

    Had an appropriate ghostly style to the music. Thomas did retread many themes from SF just like Arnold and Barry did occasionally.
    I didn't mind it either. I'm not a fan of his action scoring (the boring car chase and that repetitive theme he used during the entire MI6 finale being the worst culprits) but his slower stuff is quite decent, and as you said, haunting. There were many things wrong with SP for me, and Newman's score reflected the derivative nature of the film - it wasn't any worse, but it certainly didn't lift the film either, like Barry's best efforts did on occasion (MR comes to mind).

    More than a new actor, the one thing I want for B25 is a completely new person for the score. No more Barry-lite retreads with Arnold for me. Let's try something new.

    Agreed.
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    Another day, another bookie's favourite: This time it's Jack Huston
    http://www.oddschecker.com/novelty/james-bond/next-james-bond

    Interestingly, Huston has quite the Bond connection. Firstly, his grandfather is the great John Huston, who directed a segment of Casino Royale and starred as M in that film. Jack has also worked with Barbara Broccoli before on a stage production of Strangers on a Train.

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    I like this idea.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
    Posts: 3,144
    Could be .
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm ok with Huston, and in fact suggested him last year on the Bond actor thread. He impressed me in Boardwalk Empire, which is the only thing I've seen him in.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    bondjames wrote: »

    More than a new actor, the one thing I want for B25 is a completely new person for the score. No more Barry-lite retreads with Arnold for me. Let's try something new.

    I'm advocating Ramin Djawadi or Harry Gregson Williams.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    It'll be a blessed day when we get an official news from the Bond crew that actually will show progress in the next entry's development.
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    It'll be a blessed day when we get an official news from the Bond crew that actually will show progress in the next entry's development.

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    More than a new actor, the one thing I want for B25 is a completely new person for the score. No more Barry-lite retreads with Arnold for me. Let's try something new.
    I'm advocating Ramin Djawadi or Harry Gregson Williams.
    Both excellent choices. I concur.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    doubleoego wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    More than a new actor, the one thing I want for B25 is a completely new person for the score. No more Barry-lite retreads with Arnold for me. Let's try something new.

    I'm advocating Ramin Djawadi or Harry Gregson Williams.

    I agree with @bondjames ...excellent choices.

    I'm surprised now their names haven't been suggested before especially Harry Gregson-Williams.
  • edited July 2016 Posts: 709
    Jack Huston - I wouldn't hate it. I've only seen him in American Hustle really but he has a good look (though with longer hair - the buzzcut in the first photo doesn't work for him, though he pulls off the 'Bond modelling the wristwatch' pose)

    However, its probably not a coincidence that he has Ben-Hur coming out in a few weeks, and 'Bond buzz' is now an obligatory part of the hype whenever a British actor is doing promotion
  • Well Barbara Broccoli's new non-Bond film has begun filming at the Pinewood expansion. (Mentioned in this press release about Pinewood's annual earnings: http://hsprod.investis.com/ir/pws/ir.jsp?page=news-item&item=2528324840587264)

    My guess is not much Bond 25 activity will take place while the other film is under way.
  • Well Barbara Broccoli's new non-Bond film has begun filming at the Pinewood expansion. (Mentioned in this press release about Pinewood's annual earnings: http://hsprod.investis.com/ir/pws/ir.jsp?page=news-item&item=2528324840587264)

    My guess is not much Bond 25 activity will take place while the other film is under way.

    I didn't realize she was working on a non-Bond film. You're right, we probably shouldn't expect to hear any new Bond developments any time soon then.
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    Multi-tasking, what the Hell? EON and/or Saltzman used to be able to handle multiple productions simultaneously. She's not directing the damned things. I somehow manage to teach give classes simultaneously. Bond can at least be cast, and I believe a separate production can go forward, as well, through a separate production.

    We know some of this because of the Sony hacks, but BB didn't see any SPECTRE script until the spring of 2014 and didn't like what she saw. But given the normal screenwriting process (there's a reason they do treatments before a full script), she shouldn't have been *that* surprised.

    Sure, there are some things that can be done/ Location scouting. Writing (if it hasn't started already). But the Eon brass aren't like, say Marvel's Kevin Feige, who does a lot of multi-tasking.
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