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It seems like the most logical thing to do.
SPECTRE homaged OHMSS in several ways, and it seems to me the natural choice to have Blofeld kill Madeleine at the beginning of Bond 25 leading to some sort of YOLT adaptation
More like the most obvious, hackneyed thing to do.
Admittedly I'm struggling to think of another logical way out but having Blofeld killing Madeline is veering into remake/pastiche territory.
Like the DB5 we've just seen it too many times before.
Moreover, they didn't do a good enough job of establishing that relationship to begin with in SP. It all seemed like a convenience/contrivance for him to get the hell out of the service (if he in fact did that). So they're 'f'd' with this storyline imho
That said, I'm not entirely sure that I want them to go that route. The writing has been so poor in the franchise as of late that I hesitate to think about how they'd go about botching YOLT, given that the people who thought making Blofeld and Bond semi-related would be a good idea will probably be the ones in charge of writing it.
Absolutely. If they kill Madeline off and then have Bond go through the full on depression/revenge cycle of the YOLT novel it won't be very credible given Madeline isn't on a par with Vesper. Also we've already seen Craig's Bond out for revenge so it's repeating something they did just a few films ago.
They totally dropped the ball using SPECTRE. They just couldn't wait and drip feed it and have Oberhauser as the villain and Ernst pulling the strings, they had to go from never having heard of the organisation to Blofeld nicked all in one film. And given it looks very unlikely Dan will do more than one more they've got to wrap it all up in one film.
I suppose maybe they could do another 2.5 hour epic and make the first act about Bond and Madeline and get us to buy into the relationship which we didn't do in SP. Cut back and forth between that and Blofeld escaping (introducing Irma Bunt). Kill Maddie after 45 mins and then you've still got 1h 45 for Bond to track down Blofeld.
Have a similar structure to OHMSS with a slow, romantic start and then a barnstorming, action heavy 2nd half. I'd be inclined to forget Kissy altogether (can't have Bond entering into another relationship after Madeline gets the chop) and Irma escapes. Final image is an amnesiac Bond wandering around somewhere and SPECTRE goons pick him up and drive off with him. As there's no real equivalent of the Soviets these days it's SPECTRE, under Irma's leadership, who will have to do the brainwashing and then we get the M assassination attempt with a new actor for the PTS of B26.
Best I can do off the top of my head if they decide they have to go down this route.
Your idea sounds alot like mission impossible 3. I love that film, go for it!
http://deadline.com/2016/07/pierce-brosnan-dave-bautista-movie-final-score-scott-mann-1201793059/
I like your idea, but I would split it into 2 films
I agree but the whole point is to finish off Dan's tenure. Can we really see him doing two more? Don't think so. In that case you have to wrap it all up in one film.
Of course if we get a new actor then you can take your time. But if we get a new actor do you don't need to bring Madeline back. This idea is only if Dan continues as I don't see how, after going to great pains to link the while Craig era together, they can just sweep the whole Maddie/Blofeld thing under the carpet and give us a standalone film.
That would be nice. But do we have any faith in EON hiring writers of that calibre?
If Craig returns it absolutely will not be a standalone film. It will pit his Bond against Blofeld again (most certainly played by Christoph Waltz again, who I believe said he would only consider returning if Craig did). That's why Craig's final film (assuming it wasn't the last one) must be a modernized yet faithful YOLT adaptation. It's either that or a completely uninspired, mind-numbingly plothole-filled "original" story comprised mostly of tired homages to the past 50 years of James Bond. Take your pick, EON.
For Christ's sake don't give them a choice! Based on the last two films they certainly opt for the latter.
We didn't buy anything... The relationship with Maddie, the departure of James from MI6, that brothers nonsense...
Personally I didn't even believe in SPECTRE itself. How does the organisation work ? Why do they do exactly ? Blofeld isn't even really that biggest bad guy ever that they want us to believe in.
Maybe they will just stop right there, and give Bond another start (which is likely to happens if we go with another actor).
But if Craig does another Bond, they can't just ignore everything they did in Spectre. Otherwise, Spectre would be one of the worst episode of the series in my opinion. Because it would just become soooooo useless and dumb.
I guesss they have to try to repair what they did wrong. They have to give us a good fight opposing Bond to Blofeld.
They could ignore Maddie by saying that Bond just broke her heart, that Bond is living his normal life but take the job one more time because Blofeld escape prison.
I dunno. It's difficult. They really shouldn't rush everything in Spectre, it was a real mistake.
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On what are you basing this? I would say Suicide Squad will push her profile too high so that EON won't want to afford her. She's fit enough and a reasonable actress I suppose but more in the Tanya Roberts/Denise Richards mould than Eva Green/Lea Seydoux. I'd be distinctly underwhelmed if she was the main Bond girl in B25.
Can't disagree with a word of that.
I wonder if Splinter Cell could affect Bond at all? In the same way that Bourne and (to a lesser extent) Nolan's Batman did? I know this is bought up every time there's a new spy film/franchise on the block but unlike Mission Impossible or Kingsman for instance, it's not dependant on the Bond formula at all, it's not derivative, and therefore has the potential to be a gamechanger in the same way Bourne was imo.
For those who don't know what it is, the games use the Tom Clancy brand (not sure if the man himself ever actually had anything to do with them though), and the concept is essentially a Clancy esque take on the idea of a 00 agent (in contrast to Jack Ryan which is more in line with real life agents). So the lead is a spy who goes round saving the world but he's more militaristic and so are the plots. Less tuxedos and martinis, more breaking into places clad in combat attire. Having played all the games, I think there's a lot of potential there. If Assassin's Creed turns out successful, I expect we'll be seeing Splinter Cell within the next couple of years, and if they manage to get the same level of talent they got for AC, with Hardy in front of the camera, the Bond producers could end up taking notice, especially after the divisive reaction SP got (which could make it easier for a new franchise such as Splinter Cell to swoop in and fill the Bourne trilogy spot of being compared to Bond).
Your evidence? At the moment there's no hot anything. Lets get a script first and then concern ourselves with casting. Acting roles aren't a one size fits all situation. That being said, given the right role I think Robbie would make a great Bond girl but I'd be slightly disappointed in EoN if they did cast her, just because she's too obvious a choice and it reeks of lazy stunt casting. "Lets get the hottest woman on the scene right now".
Anyway, I doubt it'll happen.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/03/ubisoft-originally-pitched-splinter-cell-as-a-james-bond-game
I guess Splinter Cell could affect Bond... but it would have to be a real hit and a good movie besides everything. Ubisoft take their time, Tom Hardy still wanna do the job, at the latest news they're building a solid script and are looking for a good director.
The movie could hit theatres in 2018 and be a direct opposent to Bond, but I don't think Paramount want that confrontation.
I agree. They foolishly crammed so much into SP to the point, there was nothing particularly convincing about what the film was trying to present.
I'd love for Craig to come back and do a 5th but at the same time, I really want EoN to start over fresh. Completely fresh; and go in making Bond films of the foreseeable future with a clearer vision in what they want to do with the character and stories. That means if SP was the end of the Craig era, then as unfortunate as it is then so be it. SP really went out of it's way to wrap the Craig era up even if it was done poorly but there you go, the big bad is in prison and Bond leaves MI6 and drives off with his lady. The end.
Now, technically would be a great time to start over and not worry about the baggage and damage caused by SP. ultimately, the Bond movies are in desperate need of a new voice.
Ha ha. Depends on their looks though.....e.g. Moore looked great at 45 when he appeared in LALD. Connery (still the best Bond) looked past in at 42 in DAF.
"Pardon my french". Well, I am french... I guess that could explain it? ^^
Again, really sorry, I'll try to "curb my language".
I agree too. I want them to repair what they did wrong, but I am really worry about them making it worst...
I want them to have good direction from the beginning. With the next actor, it would be the perfect time to think in advance what they want to do, and do it right!
With Craig they had plenty of good ideas, but things turned wrong with Quantum of Solace... and then again with Spectre when they tried to link everything together like it was planned from the beginning while it was pretty obvious that it was not.
If Craig doesn't return then for me although it's not in the same awful category that DAD is in it certainly is the DC equivalent and sticks out like a saw thumb amongst the previous 3.
Although I'd like DC to go out on a high I think the best move is to reset and have a new Bond introduced as being in the field with a few missions under his belt, not a veteran but experienced and go from there, no back story, no digging into his past just get on with it.
Tease the shadow of SPECTRE then a few films down the line or more then introduce Blofeld, not necessarily to Bond but the audience and go from there, similar to how he was introduced in the SC era with one SP unrelated adventure in there like GF to break things up.
Tom Hughes or James Norton, If they want to go down the established route then Fassbender without a doubt. Hidds & Turner forget it and Hardy I just don't see him in the role.
Although paramount, new writers and no going back to P&W ever again.
Empire Cinemas may be related to Empire Magazine. I mean, what can you do is to keep Daniel Craig for Bond 25 and it'll be release for 2018. There you go :-)
I think you might be correct. I struggle to see a good way out of the mess they have created with SP without it being horribly contrived (kill off Maddie, have Blofeld miraculously escape etc).
If DC is not that bothered about coming back it might be better just to let him go to enable us to start from scratch.
Begging DC back and then trying to cobble together another script tying everything up could just make things worse.
That's the beauty of the stand alone approach used in the past; when something didn't work they could just reset and start again but with the Craig era they've now gone on all in on everything being connected and interlinked and, assuming Dan comes back, ignoring what went before for will look just as stupid as convolutedly tying up all the loose ends.
It's one hell of a clusterf**k. No wonder they're in no hurry to make the next one. Babs probably sitting there thinking 'I'll just keep making some other films for a few years and leave Bond on the backburner. I really want to put off for as long as possible the moment I have to put on my radiation suit and go back into the melted reactor core and sort out the catastrophic post SP fallout'.
I would of had no issue with Franz Oberhauser being the head of quantum and honestly I don't think many would. Changing the film's title to Property of a lady or Oberhauser or what have you and there you go.
As soon as they got the rights to Spectre I felt it should be an orgnization to be introduced in Bond #7's first film. But sadly that isn't what happened...