No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @mcdonbb, you have a ton of them down near Dallas, yeah? I know they originated in Texas, and I was somehow lucky enough to live close to the first one built on the East Coast.

    Yes, we do. I'm closer to Houston. I believe we have one or two in Houston. Not sure.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @mcdonbb, you have a ton of them down near Dallas, yeah? I know they originated in Texas, and I was somehow lucky enough to live close to the first one built on the East Coast.

    Yes, we do. I'm closer to Houston. I believe we have one or two in Houston. Not sure.

    The one thing I don't care for with these rules, though, is that the employees don't seem to abide by them; constantly walking in front without trying to duck, speaking rather loudly without any attempts of being quiet or less disturbing to the audience.
  • I hope Christoph Waltz return too. Despite or because his portrayal as Blofeld, I think he could improve on his role. Especially after watching this :-P:

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    is anyone still holding out hope for a 2018 release date? I find it very hard to believe that we will all be lining up for our tickets in a little over 2 years time.
  • is anyone still holding out hope for a 2018 release date? I find it very hard to believe that we will all be lining up for our tickets in a little over 2 years time.

    2018 it will be. Sounds perfect to me :-).
  • RC7RC7
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    It's still completely possible, until we hear otherwise.
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    ALL THE TIME....... IN THE WORLD....... IS NOT ENOUGH.

    Daniel Craig is Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 in SHATTERBLOOD. Coming Nov 2020
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    2018 doesn't seem impossible yet, no.
    I am surprised. Here just flashing your smartphone will get you into trouble let alone talking during the movie.

    @BondJasonBond006, I'm sorry, but if you pay to watch a movie, I think you should watch the movie. Nothing on a little bright screen is going to be more interesting than the movie you're missing. Not to mention how annoying it is to look at the screen and have your peripheral vision lit up by the screens of all those phones.

    Talking is fine, when the people aren't being obnoxious. And of course laughing too, as it's part of the theater experience and atmosphere. Like I said, just nothing obnoxious, with loud chatter and assorted acts of disrespect like phone use and seat kicking. The rare time I speak during a movie, it's always in a whisper, as I know how it is to be on the receiving end of loud and disruptive chatter. All of this is why I go to any movie I can alone. I know many use movies as an opportunity to hang out with friends, but there's some films where I would refuse to go to with others, especially for a Bond film. I want to lose myself in the movie I've been waiting so long for, without having to worry about my friends trying to chat me up. It's too important an experience for me to risk it.

    But anyway...
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Remington Steele would definitely agree.
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    Ok Brady we get it, you're an old-fashioned Rennaisance man lol. ! :)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    IGUANNA wrote: »
    Ok Brady we get it, you're an old-fashioned Rennaisance man lol. ! :)

    Just respectful and passionate about film.
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    No talking in movies is a strict rule.
    If I go to a movie with a group, which I rarely do, I simply don't respond to anyone who talks to me, once the movie starts, or I give them a nod or unhh, and they get hint.
    But usually I go with one other person, and as it takes two to yak, the other person tends to join me quickly in the no talk mode.
    I really think no talking in movies is a no-brainer though, at least in a theatre full of adults.
    But yes get a bunch of teenagers together for a youth targeted film, there will be talk. Don't see anyway around that, unless the theatre staff really cracks down.
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    IGUANNA wrote: »
    Ok Brady we get it, you're an old-fashioned Rennaisance man lol. ! :)

    Just respectful and passionate about film.
    We share the same passions.
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    IGUANNA wrote: »
    ALL THE TIME....... IN THE WORLD....... IS NOT ENOUGH.

    Daniel Craig is Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 in SHATTERBLOOD. Coming Nov 2020

    Well this could be part two of the two parter, if Babs stays on schedule for 2018 (assuming there is any schedule)
    Shoot the two films together and it's doable.
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    Exactly that's what I'm talking about timmer, first part BLOODSHATTER second part SHATTERBLOOD. Make it happen, I'm just in love with my tagline too I have a mind for these things. :)
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    I don't there is a back to back schedule planned. That $150m scoop has pretty much been debunked
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    IGUANNA wrote: »
    Exactly that's what I'm talking about timmer, first part BLOODSHATTER second part SHATTERBLOOD. Make it happen, I'm just in love with my tagline too I have a mind for these things. :)
    I'm good. Tagline is inspired!

    Are we just glossing over @jake24's scoop from previous page?!
    ie Seydoux is showing baby bump at Tiff.
    How does this effect filmmaking?
    Does Haggis finally get his wish that Bond make a baby?!
    Is Seydoux-Swann actually evolving to Seydoux-Suzuki .
    B25 is potential YOLT riff!

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    The baby will be done and dusted before Barbara even sneezes in the direction of a new Bond film. :)
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    IGUANNA wrote: »
    The baby will be done and dusted before Barbara even sneezes in the direction of a new Bond film. :)
    Seydoux might make a brood before Babs makes a sneeze...
    Just have to hope the Shatterblood two-parter comes through.

  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I had to look that one up ("is goals", that is). I learnt something new today. Always good.
    That's , what I found when looking up "goals":
    Goals
    What dumbass girls say to eachother on Instagram when someone posts a pic that is very attractive or is of something they aspire to, like a relationship. It's basically a way of sucking up to someone and it's almost as annoying and shallow as when girls post shit like "omg stop being so perf!" and then of course the required response is "no that's you and it goes back and forth like that. Both examples are typically found thoroughly nauseating by non-sheeple types and those who don't seek validation via Instagram likes

    Leaves me somhow puzzled. Or daz'd and confus'd.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Léa will have the kid by June 2017, so no biggie there. As long as we hear somewhere in that time frame that filming for Bond 25 kicks off in late 2017 or early, early 2018 to meet the November date as usual, we'll be fine. If we don't, well, ouch...
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    Léa will have the kid by June 2017, so no biggie there. As long as we hear somewhere in that time frame that filming for Bond 25 kicks off in late 2017 or early, early 2018 to meet the November date as usual, we'll be fine. If we don't, well, ouch...
    Well that fits fine then. Lots of in-between time for baby time.
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    timmer wrote: »
    Léa will have the kid by June 2017, so no biggie there. As long as we hear somewhere in that time frame that filming for Bond 25 kicks off in late 2017 or early, early 2018 to meet the November date as usual, we'll be fine. If we don't, well, ouch...
    Well that fits fine then. Lots of in-between time for baby time.

    I predict Babs and Mickey G will delay development on BOND 25 until Lea's child is not only born, but old enough to start school. Then in 2022, Eon will miraculously realize the general audience doesn't remember Madeline Swann the way they remember Honey Ryder, Pussy Galore, Solitaire, etc and will scratch the whole continuation of SP idea. By then Craig will decide whether or not he will return for his 5th outing at the age of 54 and we will finally get an announcement.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Lea Seydoux reveals pregnancy at the Toronto International Film Festival:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3786243/Lea-Seydoux-reveals-pregnant-child-debuting-bump-Toronto-Film-Festival.html

    I surmise she won't be working for a while following the birth.

    lol she has plenty of time before Bond 25 starts filming if for a Nov 2018 release
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    I think we will know this year if they will make the 18 release.

    I still think its going to be 19'
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited September 2016 Posts: 3,126
    I think a Big Announcement will happen on Global James Bond Day and I bet it will have to do with Bond 25 ;)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited September 2016 Posts: 3,126
    Cough distribution deal ;)
  • edited September 2016 Posts: 6,844
    Well, @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I rewatched Spectre just now and I'm afraid I don't share your enthusiasm for the film's sound design. If anything, I find Spectre to be over-scored with Newman's subdued writing. There are sections (inside White's place, for instance, or during the torture scene) where I thought perfect silence might have better suited the film than Newman's characteristic jangling suspense music or ambient pulsing.

    As for the way silence is used during the Spectre meeting scene, I can't say I'm the biggest fan of this particular scene, but really I think that's more a matter of how the scene was filmed to begin with. Compare the way the sound and editing work to build tension during the Spectre meeting scene in Thunderball to the way the sound and editing are used in the Spectre meeting scene in Spectre. There's just no comparing the two. This may just be me, or maybe it's due to the way the tropes have been overplayed in Austin Powers and everywhere else (there's even a Rosa Klebb/Frau Farbissina type in there), but I find Spectre's scene (Waltz's whisperings included) to have an almost comedic effect.

    As for the train fight, I agree silence was a good choice. The fight certainly follows in the footsteps of Bond vs. Grant, vs. Odd Job, vs. the Rock's grandfather, vs. Tee Hee, vs. Jaws on the train, vs. Xenia in the spa, vs. Trevelyn. They absolutely made the correct decision there, but it wasn't particularly groundbreaking. And actually, as I was paying close attention to the way sound is used, why does the danger music begin when they enter the last compartment of the train? Because the creative team wants to signal in advance that this is where we're supposed to scoot to the edge of our seats? (To quote Bond himself from later in the film, "This is where we're supposed to be impressed.") Wouldn't a better place to initiate the danger music be when Hinx slides open the outer door, actually introducing a new element of danger to the fight? I understand this is being pretty analytical of me, but then, I did approach this viewing with an analytical ear toward how sound is being used, and there appears to be no real creative or narrative logic as to why the music begins where it does.

    What did really stand out to me during this viewing is just how much music was lifted from Skyfall throughout the first half of the film in particular. Apart from “Los Muertos Vivos Estan” and “Donna Lucia” we don’t get any really original Spectre score until Madeleine shows up. (Incidentally, the 8-note theme Newman wrote for Madeleine, which shows up during the L’Americain scene and in a few other places, is the one part of the score that I really like.)

    Don't get me wrong here—apart from Newman's score being bland as bland can be—I'm on no crusade against the sound design of Spectre; I just find nothing exceptional about it. Particularly in comparison with how sound is used throughout the rest of the series. Still, I'd be interested in reading a detailed breakdown of sound design in Spectre from your point-of-view (or anyone else's) to see where others are coming from. We all view these films differently and form our own opinions.

    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, that's perfectly fine.

    That's an interesting view on the Rome scene. I find it amusing myself, but for rather dark reasons. I love the fear of the SPECTRE members and how off they all look and feel when Blofeld finally enters. I also enjoy how Blofeld makes his drone like agents do everything from him that he could easily do himself in seconds, like fixing his chair, or pulling his microphone close. That kind of approach to filming a scene felt very true to the Craig era as a whole to me. I laugh at a lot of what I view to be physical comedy in these films, or in instances where an actor is simply reacting to something happening on screen. I think Blofeld's actions in that scene, being a king ordering around peasants is amusing, just as I thought it was amusing to see Bond crack a sly slime as Carlos implodes off screen in CR or how his expression morphs into that of disgust in SF when he sees the bulldog survived the MI6 blast. I know these moments don't do anything for some, but I'm always giddy watching the Craig films, largely due to so much of the dry humor and physical instances of comedy between the actors that can even be largely unintended to elicit that effect. That's just me, though. I have the same feeling while viewing the Connery films and Roger's too, because they were both so great at using their eyes, mannerisms and bodies to signal their entertaining reactions as Bond to what was happening on screen around them.

    As for the Hinx fight, I think the music finally enters at that point because that's the moment where Bond's endurance largely dies, and Hinx just begins beating him until he's near the door. The music placement there hasn't bothered me, but I see your perspective on it and it would be cool to see it kick in only once Hinx opens the carriage door to try and dispose of Bond. My view is just that the score kicks up to show a Bond out of it and nearly defeated, so beaten he's struggling to fight back through the fog of his exhaustion. I don't think it was needed, as we could see that through Dan's performance and how bad he was taking it all, but like I said, I've not got complaints. Love the scene like crazy.

    What did you make of the film's themes, @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, if any became apparent to you? I'd be interested to hear if you think the film is ever trying to make connections between its characters or signify things about them or their world through the use of symbology and metaphor. Also, how do you now view the film with another watch of it in? Has your view on where you'd rank it changed, and if Dan returns, what would you like to see addressed in Bond 25?

    To avoid off tracking this thread, we could discuss anything further in the SP Appreciation thread on the forum, where it would all be better suited:

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/13846/spectre-appreciation-topic-and-why-you-think-the-24th-bond-film-was-the-best-spy-film-of-2015#latest

    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I think I'm going to need to let Spectre sit with me for a while before I can post in a "Spectre Appreciation" thread or devote much energy to searching for themes. ;) (However, I do appreciate how Madeleine follows in the footsteps of Vesper, Camille, and Severine in terms of holding a "Violence/revenge will only destroy your humanity" mirror up to Bond—might find an essay in that some day.)

    I do certainly appreciate things about the film—I believe the middle section with Bond meeting White and then all the business between Bond and Madeleine at the clinic and in L'Americain (minus the plane chase) is really the film's strongest stretch. But this latest viewing has unfortunately only reinforced what I initially felt about the film: underwhelmed by what appeared to me to be a lot of retreading without reinventing. To be fair, I reacted quite negatively toward Skyfall upon its release as well, and time (as well as the release of Spectre) has helped me better appreciate the finer points of that film. Perhaps time will help me reappraise Spectre, too.

    I never decided on a ranking for Spectre after I saw it in theaters, but I now have it fairly close to the bottom of the pack, somewhere around my bottom 5. Maybe that's being too harsh of me, but even after waiting nearly a year to watch it again, I wasn't that excited to revisit it, and after seeing it just now, I again feel no strong desire to watch it again. That's an awfully rare thing with Bond films for me.

    I think at the end of the day, Sam Mendes' style of Bond film just isn't for me.


    As for what I'd like to see addressed if Craig returns, more than anything I would like a return to the style of Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace—cinematography with a brighter and more natural color palette that still focuses on capturing gorgeous shots, Bond in the field getting on with his mission, a villain with a clear plan and clear stakes the audience cares about (though I'll admit even QoS is a bit muddied there), and a return to the big, inventive, and thrilling action sequences the series is known for. David Arnold wouldn't hurt either. Or anybody who isn't Thomas Newman. ;)

    In terms of story, which is probably what you were asking about, I'd be perfectly happy sending Craig off with a good old-fashioned stand-alone mission, but they really can't do that I guess, can they? Not without it seeming a bit tacked on to his Quantum/Spectre tetralogy. I guess they could pull it off, but that would take some real quality craftsmanship and I don't see them going that route anyway.

    So the question becomes what to do with Spectre and all the themes they've been building (at times somewhat haphazardly) over the past four films. We've seen Bond go from rookie to washed up to getting his stride back to maybe retiring into the sunset. We've seen him go from earning his 00 to Quantum to Spectre to Blofeld behind bars. We've seen him find and lose the love of his life, learn that revenge leads to no solace, lose his mother/mentor figure, form a tenuous and briefly lived alliance with a former enemy, and again decide that violence is not always the best path.

    What should definitely not happen with Bond 25 is to have Bond repeat arcs of progress we've already seen him accomplish during Craig's tenure. Which means no more of this "I need to salvage what's left of me before it's too late" stuff. We've been there and done that and been there and done that.

    I've said before I would love to see Craig's final outing be that faithful YOLT adaptation many fans have long wanted. Yes, it would see Bond turning into a broken man again à la Skyfall, but if he were to lose Madeleine, there would be far better justification for it than a seeming betrayal by M. Also, now would really be the perfect time to use that storyline with Spectre back in the picture and Craig realistically having just one more film left. Whereas Bond has previously learned revenge is not the way, let's see him pushed to a place where he has had so much taken from him that yes, now revenge truly is the only way, and let's see on film how that metaphorically destroys him by wiping out any sense of his own identity and leaving him a hollow shell of a man to wander off unknowing and unarmed into a dangerous world. Let him have his revenge and let us see what that does to him. It would be new. It would be dark. It would feel true to Craig's era. It would be a natural and hopefully satisfying follow on from Spectre. It would make fans of YOLT the novel happy at last.

    Too much darkness and angst again? Okay, scrap Spectre altogether. Just give us a fun, light-hearted stand-alone mission. Whatever they do, I just hope we don't get Skyfall/Spectre Part III. I want something new.
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    Here's a crazy idea: if Craig stays on they should shoot the two films almost back to back. Shoot the first film and any shots from the second movie that take place in the same location including minor dialogue driven shots with Craig like studio scenes in M's office, at the same time obviously. Then give Craig a 6 month to one year break and shoot all the scenes that do not involve Craig during his rest. Most location shots would involve Craig though if not in one scene but another and they wouldn't go to the place twice. So, it would be mostly studio stuff in new sets that don't involve Craig. Then after Craig's break, obviously have him return to do the rest for Bond 26. Then, we would have the man appear in two more films. ;)
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    Bounine they can't even cobble together one film, what makes you think they can write 2 at once?
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