No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The franchise needs to focus less on Oscar bait and more fan bait.

    Hear, hear! You forgot the first rule of mass media, EON: Give the people what they want!

    "Ehhhhhnnnnnngggggggnnnnnnnggggggg-khplarrrgggghhhhh!"

    (my best sea-drill impression...second to only my spot-on impression of Brad Pitt at the end of Se7en)
    And yet, whenever a Bond film wins an Oscar fans see it as proof the franchise isn t B-films through and through after all. Even if it is an Oscar for best end credits.

    Considering that's the only place we get the James Bond theme these days, maybe the end credits should get an Oscar. The unsung hero of the Craig era...
    What's in the boxx!!??

    My head off to you, sir. That's better than I could do.

    It's got to be more drawn out than that, to really accentuate the agony of the character.

    "Whaaaaaaat's in the boooooooooooooxxxx?!"
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    jake24 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The franchise needs to focus less on Oscar bait and more fan bait.

    Hear, hear! You forgot the first rule of mass media, EON: Give the people what they want!

    "Ehhhhhnnnnnngggggggnnnnnnnggggggg-khplarrrgggghhhhh!"

    (my best sea-drill impression...second to only my spot-on impression of Brad Pitt at the end of Se7en)
    And yet, whenever a Bond film wins an Oscar fans see it as proof the franchise isn t B-films through and through after all. Even if it is an Oscar for best end credits.

    Considering that's the only place we get the James Bond theme these days, maybe the end credits should get an Oscar. The unsung hero of the Craig era...
    What's in the boxx!!??

    My head off to you, sir. That's better than I could do.

    It's got to be more drawn out than that, to really accentuate the agony of the character.

    "Whaaaaaaat's in the boooooooooooooxxxx?!"
    Certainly wins the prize in my book, and what a great film by the way. Why hasn't Fincher directed a Bond film yet?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    This damn DB5 was also used in the 80's by Bond actors in other films (Cannonball Run by Moore & The Man from Uncle Movie by Lazenby) as well. It's an American thing I'm sure, due to the impact GF had on their psyche.

    One day, some director is going to get smart about this and ask if he can have Bond drive the DBS on his off time instead (a far more beautiful creation in my view).
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    The franchise needs to focus less on Oscar bait and more fan bait.

    What like having the DB5 relentlessly hammered up our arses film after film like we're a guest at one of Barrymore's parties? I'd rather not.

    Why do they need to bait anyone? Why can't they just make good, solid Bond films?

    DB5 excluded, What I mean is, they need to focus on their fans, not outsiders that aren't into Bond films.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The franchise needs to focus less on Oscar bait and more fan bait.

    What like having the DB5 relentlessly hammered up our arses film after film like we're a guest at one of Barrymore's parties? I'd rather not.

    Why do they need to bait anyone? Why can't they just make good, solid Bond films?

    DB5 excluded, What I mean is, they need to focus on their fans, not outsiders that aren't into Bond films.

    They focus on getting new asses into seats because they know the die-hard Bond fans are showing up either way.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited September 2016 Posts: 9,117
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The franchise needs to focus less on Oscar bait and more fan bait.

    What like having the DB5 relentlessly hammered up our arses film after film like we're a guest at one of Barrymore's parties? I'd rather not.

    Why do they need to bait anyone? Why can't they just make good, solid Bond films?

    DB5 excluded, What I mean is, they need to focus on their fans, not outsiders that aren't into Bond films.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it's those outsiders who don't mind where the GB is, like the DB5 and don't give a shit about Blofeld being Bond's stepbrother or Thomas Newman turning in a shitty score that put all the money in EON's pockets.

    We here contribute such an infintessimal amount that we are not even worth considering.

    If you're EON and the studio do you make decisions based on what we fans will like or what will go down well in China?
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    talos7 wrote: »

    Heck. Babs and Mickey G better get with it and get that that MGM/ distribution deal settled so they can begin development on B25.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The franchise needs to focus less on Oscar bait and more fan bait.

    What like having the DB5 relentlessly hammered up our arses film after film like we're a guest at one of Barrymore's parties? I'd rather not.

    Why do they need to bait anyone? Why can't they just make good, solid Bond films?

    DB5 excluded, What I mean is, they need to focus on their fans, not outsiders that aren't into Bond films.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it's those outsiders who don't mind where the GB is, like the DB5 and don't give a shit about Blofeld being Bond's stepbrother or Thomas Newman turning in a shitty score that put all the money in EON's pockets.

    We here contribute such an infintessimal amount that we are not even worth considering.

    If you're EON and the studio do you make decisions based on what we fans will like or what will go down well in China?

    Well, in a perfect world, and sadly this isn't that world, but if I were EON, my heart would be making a product for the fans, not the bean counters.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    This puts any comedy writing team to shame.

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    One of the great scenes in Bondom. It's motivated me to watch this again soon.

    He's got a real bug about this film and really doesn't like Bardem. I personally love Javier in this, the moment he says to Bond about all this running about is just great. It's like he cuts to the whole absurdity of it, the exasperated look on his face it's priceless, Bardem made some effort unlike Waltz.

    Bardem whether some like it or not will go down as one of the legendary villains. I personally have Mads as my favourite adversary of the era but Javier is likely to be the most enduring and memorable.

    Anything is better than an almost comatose Waltz as Blohauser, Almaric's under used Dominic Greene is more threatening and effective.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    This puts any comedy writing team to shame.

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    I'm also among those who has a large disdain for this film and particularly for that scene, which I've always found cringeworthy. I'm with Jason on this one.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    It's the worst overacting and pain face job in the series. He simply ruins the scene.

    I said this before, Bardem's Silva would have been better for a movie like Tomorrow Never Dies where overacting and silliness was fitting the tone of the movie.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited September 2016 Posts: 40,960
    @BondJasonBond006, to me, I think that was exactly what they were going for: the face he makes doesn't seem to be a direct cause of pain, but pure, bitter anger: he doesn't even care that he's dying, he's pissed off that Bond stopped him right before he got the satisfaction of killing M, hence that exasperated, angry sort of shout after he's stabbed.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @BondJasonBond006, to me, I think that was exactly what they were going for: the face he makes doesn't seem to be a direct cause of pain, but pure, bitter anger: he doesn't even care that he's dying, he's pissed off that Bond stopped him right before he got the satisfaction of killing M, hence that exasperated, angry sort of shout after he's stabbed.

    That may have been intended but on me it has an effect of laughing out loud because it looks so funny and making me cringe at the same time because it's such an obvious bad acting job.
    I really wish they would have hired an actor of the calibre of Mads Mikkelsen for Silva and especially not make Silva look like some gay fashion label guru.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited September 2016 Posts: 40,960
    @BondJasonBond006, but "bad acting job" and their intentions for how that moment is portrayed shouldn't go hand-in-hand. I think it's meant to be funny at first, because he's shouting at him in such an odd manner instead of immediately dying or trying to fight back.

    You know how I feel about SF, but I think the last thing Bardem ever delivers is a bad acting job. His acting (and I suppose the acting overall in SF) is one of the few shining moments in the movie, along with that scene.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @BondJasonBond006, but "bad acting job" and their intentions of how that moment is portrayed shouldn't go hand-in-hand. You know how I feel about SF, but I think the last thing Bardem ever delivers is a bad acting job. His acting (and I suppose the acting overall in SF) is one of the few shining moments in the movie, along with that scene.

    The only scene with him that I "like" are him running through London and the shooting at the hearing and when he arrives at Skyfall standing outside the mansion.

    As for Bardem not ever delivering a bad acting job, I think Bardem is highly overrated.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I edited up my previous comment a bit, took too long doing it before you replied.

    Not a fan of his introductory speech? Probably one of my favorite villain intros in the series.

    Surely you don't consider Bardem's take in SF to be awful while subsequently seeing Waltz's Oberhauser/ESB in a positive light? That was nothing if not bad, thanks to the script and him not "properly finding the character" or however he worded it a week ago. Shockingly bad, I think he only delivers when he's working in a Tarantino film.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I edited up my previous comment a bit, took too long doing it before you replied.

    Not a fan of his introductory speech? Probably one of my favorite villain intros in the series.

    Surely you don't consider Bardem's take in SF to be awful while subsequently seeing Waltz's Oberhauser/ESB in a positive light? That was nothing if not bad, thanks to the script and him not "properly finding the character" or however he worded it a week ago. Shockingly bad, I think he only delivers when he's working in a Tarantino film.

    His introductory speech is one of the worst pieces of dialogue ever written. Mommy....was...verybad?? Seriously?? That is something people like and that ridiculous rat talk?? And how he delivers it. Could be right out of an Austin Powers movie.

    But I get that I am in a minority with this. Not alone at all, but in a minority.
    So I'll leave it at that.

    For me Bardem/Silva ruins a movie that is near perfect up to the moment they arrive at the CGI island.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Well that's a bit of an over exaggeration if I've ever heard one. "One of the worst pieces of dialogue ever written"? EVER, in the history of film and television? They may make some poor decisions from time to time in the series, but for anything truly awful, I can find something comparable that is infinitely worse in another movie or show.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Well that's a bit of an over exaggeration if I've ever heard one. "One of the worst pieces of dialogue ever written"? EVER, in the history of film and television? They may make some poor decisions from time to time in the series, but for anything truly awful, I can find something comparable that is infinitely worse in another movie or show.

    Yes sure I meant the Bond franchise...should be obvious.

    Skyfall still is infinitely better than most of the crap that was released in 2012.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    This puts any comedy writing team to shame.

    <iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/S-DsA4PZ8ik"; frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    One of the great scenes in Bondom. It's motivated me to watch this again soon.

    Fully agree. It's intense, it's psychotic. It seems Silva is punching 'M's wound more heavily. 'M's gasping for air, combined with Silva's total rage...makes this one of the most difficult scenes to watch. Nevertheles, it's a triumphant scene. It's the first time ever in the Bond franchise that a villain's initial plan is executed, thus being succesful: Destroying MI6, destroying British pride, and killing 'M'.
  • Creasy47 wrote: »
    Well that's a bit of an over exaggeration if I've ever heard one. "One of the worst pieces of dialogue ever written"? EVER, in the history of film and television? They may make some poor decisions from time to time in the series, but for anything truly awful, I can find something comparable that is infinitely worse in another movie or show.

    Yes sure I meant the Bond franchise...should be obvious.

    Skyfall still is infinitely better than most of the crap that was released in 2012.

    I always find it funny. In tone and stile both SP and SF in essence are....typical Sam Mendes films. Slightly different, SP is slightly more humourous, SF is slightly more emotional and dramatic. Yet both films are full of intense dialogue, bizarre silent scenes, moody cinematography, multilayered themes and marvellous acting. Yet you put SP on 1st place in your ranking, and SF on 24th place. I......I am always stunned when I see your ranking :-P.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Well that's a bit of an over exaggeration if I've ever heard one. "One of the worst pieces of dialogue ever written"? EVER, in the history of film and television? They may make some poor decisions from time to time in the series, but for anything truly awful, I can find something comparable that is infinitely worse in another movie or show.

    Yes sure I meant the Bond franchise...should be obvious.

    Skyfall still is infinitely better than most of the crap that was released in 2012.

    It wasn't obvious, hence my reply.

    I think with how little I enjoyed SF, I managed to enjoy SP even less, which, in turn, has had me appreciating SF more, somehow. It's odd. It won't be going up in my rankings at all, but I do find myself appreciating the moments I've always enjoyed, just a little bit more.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited September 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Well that's a bit of an over exaggeration if I've ever heard one. "One of the worst pieces of dialogue ever written"? EVER, in the history of film and television? They may make some poor decisions from time to time in the series, but for anything truly awful, I can find something comparable that is infinitely worse in another movie or show.

    Yes sure I meant the Bond franchise...should be obvious.

    Skyfall still is infinitely better than most of the crap that was released in 2012.

    I always find it funny. In tone and stile both SP and SF in essence are....typical Sam Mendes films. Slightly different, SP is slightly more humourous, SF is slightly more emotional and dramatic. Yet both films are full of intense dialogue, bizarre silent scenes, moody cinematography, multilayered themes and marvellous acting. Yet you put SP on 1st place in your ranking, and SF on 24th place. I......I am always stunned when I see your ranking :-P.

    While you are correct with the typical Mendes traits both being in SF and SP they can also be seen in his other movies.

    SP has everything I love in a Bond movie. Grand original breathtaking PTS, a beautiful Bond girl Bond wants to protect, even two if you count Bellucci as well, unbelievably moody, fascinating, creepy, beautiful sets (meteor room, L'Americaine, the conference room, Q's laboratory, the demolished MI6 building, the whole train, the abandoned train station, Blofeld's control room. A great and memorable henchman. A proper hand-to-hand fight, witty dialogue with Q who provides Bond with valuable help. The plane/car chase.
    SF has nothing of that. The PTS is pretty middle of the road, the Bond girl is Moneypenny and/or M which is a joke, the only sets noteworthy are the Macau Casino and the Skyfall mansion. Henchman? Nada. Hand-to-hand fight? That choreographed dance in the shadows... and Q? one good scene at the museum and then he acts like an imbecile who should be taken to court for helping the villain with his plot. I guess the chase in the PTS counts for something...

    It's astonishing Skyfall is even seen as a Bond movie. Without the DB5 you wouldn't even have a proper Bond car in Skyfall.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    There's two kinds of Bond fans...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    This puts any comedy writing team to shame.

    <iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/S-DsA4PZ8ik"; frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    One of the great scenes in Bondom. It's motivated me to watch this again soon.

    He's got a real bug about this film and really doesn't like Bardem. I personally love Javier in this, the moment he says to Bond about all this running about is just great. It's like he cuts to the whole absurdity of it, the exasperated look on his face it's priceless, Bardem made some effort unlike Waltz.

    Bardem whether some like it or not will go down as one of the legendary villains. I personally have Mads as my favourite adversary of the era but Javier is likely to be the most enduring and memorable.

    Anything is better than an almost comatose Waltz as Blohauser, Almaric's under used Dominic Greene is more threatening and effective.

    The same thing could be said for you and your views on SP, @Shardlake, so don't make me drop the "pot and kettle" line. It's interesting to be on the other side of it, isn't it?
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Can we all just agree that no matter what, we're all going to find something to complain about in future films. Bond Fan A will love it, while Bond Fan B will hate it.

  • Can we all just agree that no matter what, we're all going to find something to complain about in future films. Bond Fan A will love it, while Bond Fan B will hate it.

    You know, I would agree to that, but I'm just really feeling the urge to be contrary on this one...
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Just saying a big announcement is probably on the way on global James bond day

    ;)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Just saying a big announcement is probably on the way on global James bond day

    ;)

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I want to see this. This series has thrived on variety and this reboot era has been a breath of fresh air so far. They have broken new ground and I hope they continue. Sure, they could be more "Bond" on things in the future but just be patient and give them time. They can do a soft reboot again after 25 and then do whatever they want. Going back to cliched, check-the-numbers Bond is not an option, IMO. They need to stay competitive.
    Chliched, check-the-numbers Bond done right wouldn´t be much of a problem. The problem is they try so hard thinking outside the box that they don´t have any breath left for making a really good film.

    and it isn't so much about presenting a cliche'd checklist of a Bond movie again... for me, it's just about creating a good entertaining film - this series doesn't need to go so far up it's own ass trying to be the smartest thing in the room (if you get what i mean) - they don't need to be stories full of twists, double or triple crosses, or deep metaphoric symbolisms.. it's f##king Bond.
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