No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Deakins not returning for SP was a mistake. SF looks newer looking than SP. SF will age well.

    It's not a mistake if the man has no interest in returning.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Yea I was disappointed and curious why Deakins elected not to return. But if he didn't want to do it then that's that.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DCisared wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Deakins not returning for SP was a mistake. SF looks newer looking than SP. SF will age well.

    It's not a mistake if the man has no interest in returning.

    Neither did Mendes, but they got him back. I wonder just how hard they tried to get Deakins back, if at all, really. I was still happy with their choice in Hoyte van Hoytema, until I saw the finished product.
  • RC7RC7
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Deakins not returning for SP was a mistake. SF looks newer looking than SP. SF will age well.

    It's not a mistake if the man has no interest in returning.

    Neither did Mendes, but they got him back. I wonder just how hard they tried to get Deakins back, if at all, really. I was still happy with their choice in Hoyte van Hoytema, until I saw the finished product.

    Deakins was pretty unequivocal about not returning. I think it's sometimes easy to forget that most people don't see Bond in the way we do. This is a guy with a cracking CV and I imagine Bond was never really on his radar - when it came up he nailed it. He's an old school pro, someone who is all about the work and not the $$$.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Deakins not returning for SP was a mistake. SF looks newer looking than SP. SF will age well.

    It's not a mistake if the man has no interest in returning.

    Neither did Mendes, but they got him back. I wonder just how hard they tried to get Deakins back, if at all, really. I was still happy with their choice in Hoyte van Hoytema, until I saw the finished product.

    Deakins was pretty unequivocal about not returning. I think it's sometimes easy to forget that most people don't see Bond in the way we do. This is a guy with a cracking CV and I imagine Bond was never really on his radar - when it came up he nailed it. He's an old school pro, someone who is all about the work and not the $$$.

    Which I can't complain about, as the last few movies he has shot have blown me away. I can't wait to see how 'Blade Runner 2' looks.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Did they threaten to give him a haircut?
  • RC7RC7
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Deakins not returning for SP was a mistake. SF looks newer looking than SP. SF will age well.

    It's not a mistake if the man has no interest in returning.

    Neither did Mendes, but they got him back. I wonder just how hard they tried to get Deakins back, if at all, really. I was still happy with their choice in Hoyte van Hoytema, until I saw the finished product.

    Deakins was pretty unequivocal about not returning. I think it's sometimes easy to forget that most people don't see Bond in the way we do. This is a guy with a cracking CV and I imagine Bond was never really on his radar - when it came up he nailed it. He's an old school pro, someone who is all about the work and not the $$$.

    Which I can't complain about, as the last few movies he has shot have blown me away. I can't wait to see how 'Blade Runner 2' looks.

    Bladerunner 2 is one of those films that doesn't need to happen. However, given the fact it is, Deakins is easily the DoP best placed to pull it off.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @RC7, I never found a sequel to that necessary in the slightest, but once that crew was announced, I knew it was in very good hands.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited September 2016 Posts: 4,043
    The fact it is Villeneuve makes me 10 x more excited if it was Ridley, Denis has been knocking out the park since Incendies where as Scott's hit rate is nowhere near that in decades.

    Coupled with Deakins and the cast involved what I did perceive as a pointless sequel has shifted into one of the must sees of 2017.

    Can't wait to see Arrival, the trailer and reviews make it look another winner for Denis.

    Also it looks like the film I hoped Interstellar was instead of the ponderous over long pretentious guff it was.
  • Shardlake wrote: »
    The fact it is Villeneuve makes me 10 x more excited if it was Ridley, Denis has been knocking out the park since Incendies where as Scott's hit rate is nowhere near that in decades.

    Coupled with Deakins and the cast involved what I did perceive as a pointless sequel has shifted into one of the must sees of 2017.

    Can't wait to see Arrival, the trailer and reviews make it look another winner for Denis.

    Also it looks like the film I hoped Interstellar was instead of the ponderous over long pretentious guff it was.

    "Arrival" gets very good reviews so far. Can't wait to see it :-).
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I guess I still owe that 'Screaming like a little girl' video if Deakins ever does return! Love it or hate it, SF is one absolutely beautiful looking movie from start to finish.

    agreed.. but i feel like Hoyt Van Hoytema did a terrific job on SP as well... IMO, it was a very good lateral move from Roger Deakins... both films have stunning cinematography... scenes will always stick out the most for me because of their cinematography - in SF - the fight in front of the jellyfish sign, and Bond's entrance into the floating casino.... in SP - Lucia returning home, knowing she was going to die - then Bond executing her two assassins... the reunion of Bond and White..
  • I saw Paul Verhoeven's "Elle". My god, what a wonderful piece of film art. I would love Verhoeven to direct a Bond film now. And let's not forget, he does have good action credentials.
  • I saw Paul Verhoeven's "Elle". My god, what a wonderful piece of film art. I would love Verhoeven to direct a Bond film now. And let's not forget, he does have good action credentials.

    Would've been a great choice during the Brosnan era, but not sure about now. For one thing could someone of his age (just googled it, he's 78) cope with the stress of making a modern blockbuster? I mean I know Campbell isn't far off that age and we all want him back but I think the difference is he's experienced. He's done big budget studio films recently. Verehoven hasn't done that, or an action film of any kind, since the 90s.

    Since we're on about 90s action films, I'd still love Katheryn Bigelow. Imagine stunts and action scenes on par with Point Break, infused with the tension and itensity of The Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty.
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    i have a fever and the only cure is more bond 25 news
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    i have a fever and the only cure is more bond 25 news
    In less than two weeks, we may very well have some substantial news by then.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    i have a fever and the only cure is more bond 25 news

    Gr8 Walken reference.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.

    That would need for Daniel Craig to be gone.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,967
    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.

    I'd bet all the money in the world that that's not happening behind the scenes right now.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.

    Silly, we all know EON never thinks past the next film they make.

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.

    Silly, we all know EON never thinks past the next film they make.
    They would benefit from it, that's for sure.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.

    I'd bet all the money in the world that that's not happening behind the scenes right now.

    I wish you weren't right but I'm afraid you are. My guess at least.
  • RC7RC7
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    jake24 wrote: »
    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.

    Silly, we all know EON never thinks past the next film they make.
    They would benefit from it, that's for sure.

    Not really.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2016 Posts: 10,591
    RC7 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.

    Silly, we all know EON never thinks past the next film they make.
    They would benefit from it, that's for sure.

    Not really.
    Hiring better writers is obviously a pivotal step towards universal acclaim. But planning ahead, even slightly, will undoubtedly give EON a better sense of direction. It couldn't hurt, anyway.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2016 Posts: 23,883
    A plan would make sense if they are planning to start again and do a continuity based story over a series of films (like they did with Craig).

    If however they plan to go back to standalone films with no clear timeline, then I'm not sure if planning ahead is necessary.

    Regardless, I think it would help if they gave more thought as to how they want James Bond to be portrayed on screen for the next 10 or so years. What kind of character traits will they emphasize and what traits will they attempt to downplay? Will he be back to his womanizing ways or not? Will he be back to the quips or not? If they can at least have that level of vision, then they can select an actor who can best capture the attributes that they want to play up, and move forward from there.
  • In the 1990s, there were stories (and I mean in places like The Wall Street Journal, not The Sun, Daily Mail, et al) that Eon wanted to stock pile two or three scripts. That way, once the legal fight was over, it could gear up quickly to produce Bond movies again. Nothing ever came of that.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited September 2016 Posts: 4,399
    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.

    they had their chance with Craig..

    did they not do a direct sequel of CR with QOS?..

    they just shot themselves in the foot with it by (possibly) letting the writers and directors control a little too much of the story..

    they could easily do the Marvel approach if they really wanted to - and if thats the route they want to go, then they need to drop the idea of hiring auteur directors, and going more along the lines of directors akin to the Russo Bros.

    Auteur directors tend to want a lot more creative control, especially over the story..
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Marvel benefits from planning way ahead because it is a shared universe.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited September 2016 Posts: 15,423
    What I had thought in mind was the outlines they stretch out in the vein of the Fleming novels, not the failed attempt like Quantum of Solace, or the sudden revert to originality in Skyfall, then shoehorn a joint story to gather up the whole verse in one and force it down, which didn't end up in a successful attempt.
  • Posts: 5,767
    HASEROT wrote: »
    You know, chaps? Something had just occurred to me. I mean, we're not getting any Bond 25 news whatsoever but...

    What if, right now, they are actually planning a whole outline for the future of the franchise rather than just the next film? A few set of films that are planned, outlined and constructed to have Bond films and set up a timeline consecutively. Just an idea that occurred.

    they had their chance with Craig..

    did they not do a direct sequel of CR with QOS?..

    they just shot themselves in the foot with it by (possibly) letting the writers and directors control a little too much of the story..

    they could easily do the Marvel approach if they really wanted to - and if thats the route they want to go, then they need to drop the idea of hiring auteur directors, and going more along the lines of directors akin to the Russo Bros.

    Auteur directors tend to want a lot more creative control, especially over the story..
    I agree about auteur directors, but the problem is mostly that unlike Saltzman and Broccoli, Babs and Michael don´t give any indication they have a clear idea where they want to go with Bond.

    Marvel has enough hit and miss, and they are proof that with all the planning ahead, still a lot of conituity is either thrown overboard, or things from different films tie together so much that you basically have to watch a whole bunch of films, which forces you to also watch the misses.
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