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No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    edited October 2016 Posts: 2,107
    Bond fans are a fickle bunch of folk. Sometimes something is not traditional enough, sometimes things get too traditional for their likes. Good thing,, I'm the lover of all things Bond, were they books, comics, games or movies. Just dont give us Die Anothet Day all the time.
  • writer5150writer5150
    Posts: 154
    Maybe it's an L.A. thing but the Spectre car chase looked like one of those tedious (almost daily) low-speed police pursuits on the 110 freeway. I liked the fact that nothing worked. The slow motorist was done better in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (though it was a rickshaw). And I also was pulled outof the action when the cars went down the stairs. I drive a Porsche myself, which is low to the ground, and I know for a fact that the entire undercarriage would have been destroyed on both cars. Yet both traversed the steep staircase without incident. That crap only happens in Pink Panther movies.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    SharkBait wrote: »
    Bond fans are a fickle bunch of folk. Sometimes something is not traditional enough, sometimes things get too traditional for their likes. Good thing,, I'm the lover of all things Bond, were they books, comics, games or movies. Just dont give us Die Anothet Day all the time.

    Bond fan logic:

    "Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace aren't true Bond, man. Where's the one-liners, the gadgets? Where's Q, where's Moneypenny? You can't just throw the Bond formula out the window like that! Do EON have any respect for what Bond used to mean in this modern age?! Cubby is rolling in his grave."

    [After SF and SP]

    "God, these movies rely too much on the Bond formula now. The Craig era used to be so interesting because it didn't worry about any of this stuff. It was just Bond and his wits, no gadget laden cars, no one-liners. It was something new, something fresh. Now they're like all the rest. Cubby would be rolling in his grave."


    My favorite are the people that moaned and groaned about the placement of the gun barrel in the Craig era like incessant children (as if it wasn't there at all), then still complained when they got it back at the start of the film.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited October 2016 Posts: 4,116
    I think at that point in the film after a somewhat tense Spectre board meeting scene we needed a just as tense car chase without exposition. The humor was fine.

    I think the ones like me that really haven't taken to the chase really see it as a missed chance an intense chase at various speeds through the streets of Rome. The film had two and half hours to explain everything. Why slow down a car chase to do it?

    Just my opinion.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    SharkBait wrote: »
    Bond fans are a fickle bunch of folk. Sometimes something is not traditional enough, sometimes things get too traditional for their likes. Good thing,, I'm the lover of all things Bond, were they books, comics, games or movies. Just dont give us Die Anothet Day all the time.

    Bond fan logic:

    "Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace aren't true Bond, man. Where's the one-liners, the gadgets? Where's Q, where's Moneypenny? You can't just throw the Bond formula out the window like that! Do EON have any respect for what Bond used to mean in this modern age?! Cubby is rolling in his grave."

    [After SF and SP]

    "God, these movies rely too much on the Bond formula now. The Craig era used to be so interesting because it didn't worry about any of this stuff. It was just Bond and his wits, no gadget laden cars, no one-liners. It was something new, something fresh. Now they're like all the rest. Cubby would be rolling in his grave."


    My favorite are the people that moaned and groaned about the placement of the gun barrel in the Craig era like incessant children (as if it wasn't there at all), then still complained when they got it back at the start of the film.

    But are they the same people?
  • writer5150writer5150
    Posts: 154
    I like when, on occasion, the filmmakers get experimental. For example, with LTK (at the time). It worked for me. Sure the script could have used some tightening and they seemed afraid to take the action far enough, but the idea that Bond -- more or less unarmed and without gadgets -- was able to convince Sanchez that his people were betraying him, one by one. That was brilliant.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited October 2016 Posts: 28,694
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    I think at that point in the film after a somewhat tense Spectre board meeting scene we needed a just as tense car chase without exposition. The humor was fine.

    I think the ones like me that really haven't taken to the chase really see it as a missed chance an intense chase at various speeds through the streets of Rome. The film had two and half hours to explain everything. Why slow down a car chase to do it?

    Just my opinion.

    I get that, and wouldn't have minded seeing something like that, since the film had been quiet on action since the PTS, I was just defending the sequence for what it is.

    Mendes and co. had probably blown so much money at that point in the production that they had no choice but to pursue a less action packed sequence. Had to save all that money for the stupid explosion instead of something truly exemplary.
  • writer5150writer5150
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    I do recall the Italian government placing various restrictions on the chase. Possibly one of them was the speed and potential for mayhem. But that's kind of the point. It's not like they were going to take it to the point of the tank chase in GE.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I must be the only one craving a regular old gun barrel at the start of the film. I understood it with CR, didn't see why it was missing in QoS and SF, and we almost had it properly done with SP. Maybe one day.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Wish I could see that advert,my work has blocked 'You Tube'....!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mine too... :((
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    I think at that point in the film after a somewhat tense Spectre board meeting scene we needed a just as tense car chase without exposition. The humor was fine.

    I think the ones like me that really haven't taken to the chase really see it as a missed chance an intense chase at various speeds through the streets of Rome. The film had two and half hours to explain everything. Why slow down a car chase to do it?

    Just my opinion.

    I get that, and wouldn't have minded seeing something like that, since the film had been quiet on action since the PTS, I was just defending the sequence for what it is.

    Mendes and co. had probably blown so much money at that point in the production that they had no choice but to pursue a less action packed sequence. Had to save all that money for the stupid explosion instead of something truly exemplary.

    ...and I appreciate that. I don't hate the sequence. It's different.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    writer5150 wrote: »
    I like when, on occasion, the filmmakers get experimental.

    OMG. you need to watch Casino Royale.

    It is like something David Lynch could have done, had he been out of puberty by 1967.
  • writer5150writer5150
    Posts: 154
    Are you talking about the 1967 version? That was TOO experimental. Okay, that wasn't experimental at all -- it was a complete mess. Like the soundtrack, though.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    Was the interview 10am Eastern or 10pm Eatern? Because it's already 12pm...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Have you seen DAD, then? That was really experi mental.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Was the interview 10am Eastern or 10pm Eatern? Because it's already 12pm...
    10PM.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Wait so why does everyone thing there will be an announcement today? What's going on??
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    But was it eastern or eatern?
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    edited October 2016 Posts: 2,107
    I mesnI dont mi
    writer5150 wrote: »
    I like when, on occasion, the filmmakers get experimental. For example, with LTK (at the time). It worked for me. Sure the script could have used some tightening and they seemed afraid to take the action far enough, but the idea that Bond -- more or less unarmed and without gadgets -- was able to convince Sanchez that his people were betraying him, one by one. That was brilliant.

    Shame there is no like button. Anyway, some people msy ssy that I contratict myself, but I like LTK more thsn TLD. But they could hsve done more. Strip him from all of his gadfets.

    It's not my intentipn contratict mysrlf. I guess, I mean to say is done well both traditional and untraditionl films could be good, if you, lije me, love all things Bond. LTK, for me was good because it tried to be more Fleming. I know Mismi Vice was populsr at tahat tome. , but I find more Fleming on LTK , than Mismi Vice.

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2016 Posts: 10,591
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Wait so why does everyone thing there will be an announcement today? What's going on??
    Craig will be interviewed for the first time in nearly a year today, in which he will likely be questioned about his future with the Bond franchise. I don't think an announcement is likely though.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    SharkBait wrote: »
    I mesnI dont mi
    writer5150 wrote: »
    I like when, on occasion, the filmmakers get experimental. For example, with LTK (at the time). It worked for me. Sure the script could have used some tightening and they seemed afraid to take the action far enough, but the idea that Bond -- more or less unarmed and without gadgets -- was able to convince Sanchez that his people were betraying him, one by one. That was brilliant.

    Shsme there ud no likr button. Anyway, some people msy ssy that I contratict myself, but I like LTK more thsn TLD. But they could hsve done more. Strip him from all of his gadfets.

    It's not my intentipn contratict mysrlf. I guess, I mean to say is done well both traditional and untraditionl films could be good, if you, lije me, love all things Bond. LTK, for me was good because it tried to be more Fleming. I know Mismi Vice was populsr at tahat tome. , but I find more Fleming on LTK , than Mismi Vice.

    Drunkard.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    Posts: 2,107
    Sorry, I have my first android phone in years. I notice I cant write a word correctly with this device. So I apologize, somr of the words dont make sense i try to edit them as fast as I can..
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    Posts: 2,107
    Sorry, I have my first android phone in years. I notice I cant write a word correctly with this device. So I apologize, somr of the words dont make sense i try to edit them as fast as I can..
  • writer5150writer5150
    Posts: 154
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Have you seen DAD, then? That was really experi mental.

    LOL, okay so for the record, I like DAD ... for the most part. But I understand what they were going for -- kind of a tip of the hat to the previous 40 years. So there was the DAF satellite. The FRWL colleague who helps Bond. I liked that the first two thirds had Bond without gadgets again (more like the 60s). I didn't have a problem with the car because in 2002 it was no more outrageous than YOLW with a spaceship that could launch, land and relaunch ... and, oh yes, swallow other ships. The mirror/camera technology was there -- just not taken to such an extreme before. (I remember people in the theater laughing during TSWLM when it looked like Bond got on a motorcycle that went across the water. This was before jet skis were really popular).

    I detested the CGI in the parasailing sequence. It should have been cut. Really, truly terrible. But I liked the final sequence with the jet that was falling apart.

    I don't think of DAD as experimental as much as the filmmakers trying to do an homage. Did we need such a thing? No. I'd rather have a great movie. So while DAD is no CR, I did have a lot of fun watching it.

  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    Posts: 2,107
    That, plus you got me thunderfinger, I sm drinking at the ssme time.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Never drink and forum post. Bad things can happen.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    Posts: 2,107
    I noticed. I try to post on facebook in my native lsnguage and I cant even do thst.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    edited October 2016 Posts: 2,107
    Shows how much drunken passion I have for Bond :p
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Sorry for the typo. Excremental, not experimental. Damn Putin Birthday!
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    There are plenty things to appreciate or even love in SP: Gunbarrel; PTS, Q in the field; Bond's appartement; Bond/Moneypenny relationship; good one-liners; awesome Mr.White sequence; awesome Spectre meeting; l'americain sequence

    But ... the mix was somehow not right and there are things I really hated about the movie which makes it the least rewatchable one in the Craig era: The title sequence (Octopus? Why? The organization is called SPECTRE and not TENTACLE) - the worst 007 title sequence for me; I hated and still hate the title song; the whole foster-brother thing; the mi6 building showdown; way too easy escape after the (good!) torture sequence; helicoptergate crash

    There was so much great stuff - I read somewhere that they had to rush the movie into the cinemas and to me it's the only plausible explaination. Many things should just be cut from the movie and it works a whole lot better! I have no problem with Nine-eyes thing, I liked the Henchman, car chase, general chemistry between the main cast. But I would cut most of the Blofeld scenes and leave him more in "the shadows" and skip the foster-brother thing or at least don't make it Blofeld's main motivation.

    Somebody else here wrote: It would habe been essy to fix the movie and greatly improve it and I totall agree. Remove most of the mentioned items and I think the really, really good ones would shine a lot more and the movie would rank higher - among Bond fans and also a regular audience. Too bad!

    For this evening: There will be something mentioned about Bond for sure - after one year I am absolutely positive that we will know if DC is considering another one or not. But we won't hear something about release dates and such since this completely is within the MGM/EoN ballpark.
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