No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Severine I can forgive as she's used to great affect in Macau and her death is shocking on Silva's island, but how little Monica is given to work with in SP is just...hard to take. Her character doesn't get a moment like Severine gets in the casino, acting like a dragon releasing the cigarette smoke through her nose, sizing Bond up.

    Bond is so dominant in SP that Lucia could only submit to him, so there's never a moment where she gets under his skin like Severine manages in SF. We get a glimpse of an interesting character at the Rome funeral (as she speaks of no longer being safe from death after Sciarra's death), but all that quickly gets cut short and after her and Bond sleep together, it's game over. I know Mendes and co. were probably hesitant to kill another Bond girl off, but such a scene later in the film (with her turning up dead or something) would've displayed the power of SPECTRE well.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 4,617
    With hindsight, if they did want to connect SF with SP, Berenice should have survived and become the informant for Bond, assisting with leading him to SP. Agreed, her character had so much more potential. She would have added some impact within the PTS, imagine her removing her mask in the bedroom, would have been a great reveal.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I think they were trying to do a reverse Solange scenario.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I think they were trying to do a reverse Solange scenario.

    Good call, @Murdock. I can see the Lucia/Sciarra and Solange/Dimitrios comparisons. How I didn't see the connections before is beyond me.
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    Wasn't it TND that they wanted Monica Belluci for? I dont think she would have been a successful Paris Carver as the role wasn't well written, and it too was a pretty brief part!
    Much prefer Monica with Craig though.Love that scene!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The Paris Carver character originally was a very hysterical one. She'd freak out every once per five lines. Originally called Paris Harmsway. Trust me, in comparison with the final film, the Paris Carver character was better written.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Wasn't it TND that they wanted Monica Belluci for? I dont think she would have been a successful Paris Carver as the role wasn't well written, and it too was a pretty brief part!
    Much prefer Monica with Craig though.Love that scene!

    That's what I thought too as far as considered for the role of Paris.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 4,325
    I think they could have got someone better than Lois Lane to play Paris though, her line delivery is pretty poor.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited October 2016 Posts: 15,423
    Not as poor as some credit her for, though. If one looks for poor line delivery, try the whole cast (aside from Dalton and Davi) in Licence To Kill. Or any Bond Girl from the Moore era.

    "Hang on, James..." (Zzzzzzz)
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    And it was pretty obvious her and Brossa didn't get on well! The only convincing moment was Paris slapping Bond! I believe ol' Brossa had to get ice pack after several takes!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I find the slapping scene funny because in the original script it was Bond who slapped Paris for being hysterical. And it became a recurring thing later on for Bond to be slapped by a woman... Cough, Elektra King, Cough. Somebody wanted to prove a point, methinks.
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    I find the slapping scene funny because in the original script it was Bond who slapped Paris for being hysterical. And it became a recurring thing later on for Bond to be slapped by a woman... Cough, Elektra King, Cough. Somebody wanted to prove a point, methinks.

    Dan gets slapped pretty good in SP also. A new tradition has begun.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2016 Posts: 10,591
    I'd let Monica slap me.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Lucia's slapping of Bond was kind of justified. The other two, though? Feminist balderdash.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 4,325
    Do women actually slap men? Weird question I know, but I've only ever seen it in TV shows and movies, not in real life - in fact it seemed quite prevalent in 90s TV for some reason.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I've seen a few who do...
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    He didn't do anything for me... Dennis Gassner.

    Yea, he's ok. I agree with @ToTheRight.

    I'm kind of take or leave it with Gassner. What's the name of the guy that designed Inception? Weird name but too lazy to Google.

    Same here. I actually think he's better than Lamont but still pretty meh
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Getafix wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    He didn't do anything for me... Dennis Gassner.

    Yea, he's ok. I agree with @ToTheRight.

    I'm kind of take or leave it with Gassner. What's the name of the guy that designed Inception? Weird name but too lazy to Google.

    Same here. I actually think he's better than Lamont but still pretty meh

    I agree. Although I liked Lamont's work on OP.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 11,425
    Yes he's a brilliant designer and he did some decent work on Bond but his best work was outside the series. I don't know why but his Bond work was a little lacklustre/pedestrian. Not bad but rarely standout either.

    I'd like to see them branch out from Gassner next time - go for someone with a bit more originality. The Blofeld crater was entirely derivative and uninspired.

    They need someone young and hungry and full of ideas and originality.

    CR definitely marked an improvement on the design front - a return to a more classic look after the catastrophically naff DAD. And Gassner has done fairly solid work since then. But there hasn't been a really truly memorable set on a Bond film for years.

  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited October 2016 Posts: 3,157
    The 'licence not to kill' holds special significance throughout the film, and carries over one of Fleming's themes: the morality of killing (Bond's key dilemma in TMWTGG). It props up several times. Bond sparing Mr. White, Madeleine Swann's distate of guns and most of all Bond sparing Blofeld on the bridge (although I admit that moment is misguided).

    Also a nod to Skyfall.
    "Sometimes a trigger has to be pulled."
    "Or not pulled."
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    I think "the power of a big organisation" motifs should just be dropped completely from now on... it's so overdone I can't help but cringe every time. Wow you kill everyone that leaks information, haven't seen that before.
  • RC7RC7
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Yes he's a brilliant designer and he did some decent work on Bond but his best work was outside the series. I don't know why but his Bond work was a little lacklustre/pedestrian. Not bad but rarely standout either.

    I'd like to see them branch out from Gassner next time - go for someone with a bit more originality. The Blofeld crater was entirely derivative and uninspired.

    They need someone young and hungry and full of ideas and originality.

    CR definitely marked an improvement on the design front - a return to a more classic look after the catastrophically naff DAD. And Gassner has done fairly solid work since then. But there hasn't been a really truly memorable set on a Bond film for years.

    The problem is that production design has changed. You wouldn't get a Volcano, Liparus, or even a Zorin mine these days. To be honest you'd probably be lucky to get a GE control room or stealth ship. Sets are now, by and large, partial builds. It works for fantasy films (I sneeked a peak at the Guardians 'Kiln' on the 007 stage and it wasn't all too impressive - bulked up massively in post - but they can get away with it). With Bond that's exactly what's missing. It's too clear, in the relative reality of a Bond, when a set is only a partial build.

    To be fair the SP Westminister bridge soundstage work is actually pretty impressive, but regards iconic production design it's lacking, but I fear that will continue to be the case (as outlined above) because of cost.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited October 2016 Posts: 4,116
    RC7 wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yes he's a brilliant designer and he did some decent work on Bond but his best work was outside the series. I don't know why but his Bond work was a little lacklustre/pedestrian. Not bad but rarely standout either.

    I'd like to see them branch out from Gassner next time - go for someone with a bit more originality. The Blofeld crater was entirely derivative and uninspired.

    They need someone young and hungry and full of ideas and originality.

    CR definitely marked an improvement on the design front - a return to a more classic look after the catastrophically naff DAD. And Gassner has done fairly solid work since then. But there hasn't been a really truly memorable set on a Bond film for years.

    The problem is that production design has changed. You wouldn't get a Volcano, Liparus, or even a Zorin mine these days. To be honest you'd probably be lucky to get a GE control room or stealth ship. Sets are now, by and large, partial builds. It works for fantasy films (I sneeked a peak at the Guardians 'Kiln' on the 007 stage and it wasn't all too impressive - bulked up massively in post - but they can get away with it). With Bond that's exactly what's missing. It's too clear, in the relative reality of a Bond, when a set is only a partial build.

    To be fair the SP Westminister bridge soundstage work is actually pretty impressive, but regards iconic production design it's lacking, but I fear that will continue to be the case (as outlined above) because of cost.

    That's for sharing that insight. And I know I'm probably going to butcher his name but I would like to see Guy Hendrix Dyas have a go at Bond.
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    Most sets now are accomplished with green screen- I'd like to think Bond still knows the old ways are the best.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I created a thread about while back for this exact topic. Perhaps this discussion is better suited there?
    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/15255/the-production-design-thread#latest
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited October 2016 Posts: 8,399
    Machiavellian - I can't remember who first said it on this site, but I think this word perfectly encapsulates what form the next iteration of the Bond character should take. Craig has been great in the role, but there are times where people have complained about finding him relentlessly sympathetic. After a bit of a dark introduction in CR, (again, another example of everything positive about the Craig era comes from CR and was simply stretched across four films) any menace or mystique the character holds is soon forgotten about. Not only do we go through several traumatic and personal experiences with him, but we learn all about his heritage, his parents, even his childhood home. Surely the time has arrived for Bond to become an enigma again??

    Some of the most interesting and compelling moments of the franchise have come from Bond behaving outright deviously. Bond waiting for Dent, Bond kicking the car off the cliff, Bond shooting Electra at point-blank range. It's these moments that give the character its depth, to know that he is not simply a nice man who fell into the wrong line of work. It's time that Bond become an enigma again, that he should retreat back into the shadows. That's where the Machiavellian thing comes in. It would be a great idea for there to be a cold, calculating Bond. Of course, he couldn't be to distant as to alienate the audience, so a good way to offset that is with humour. Imagine a Bond with a dark acerbic wit, a grave cheek about him. That way you could have the darkness of Fleming without jeopardizing the mainstream viability.

    For the first time it would be a good idea not to follow Bond from A to B, but rather get to know the Villains plan more thoroughly, with Bond entering the picture when needed to push the story forward. That way the character achieves an effortless mystique and no screen time is wasted - a very efficient method. I often think that the many screens of him simply driving or talking to some contact aren't really necessary viewing, especially when we could be learning more about The Villains dark machinations. Also, by saving all this time, the film would be both shorter and cheaper to make. There's no reason why every Bond film should have to be an epic saga in Bonds life. Sometimes a stripped back thriller with small stakes is exactly what is needed, and Bond 25 feels like a perfect opportunity.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Totally agree
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Agreed!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    +3
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited October 2016 Posts: 4,520
    Monday Patience Iam the author of all you pain, BROTHER ! song be present by Neal Pervis and Robert Wade Christopher Waltz and John Logan



    Thuesday Patience song be present by Daniel Craig



    Today Patience Wait song be present by Daniel Kleinman.



    Tomorrow Patience song be present by Naomi Harris.. ;)
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