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I'd say it is another 1977, 1995 period. I'd put 2006 into that as well, the difference being it was a deliberate bold choice to re-boot with CR. The franchise itself wasn't exactly at stake after DAD. The 20th film just happened to be considered by many a crummy entry. Fans felt the same after MR.
In a sense a whole year was wasted by Eon trying to figure out what to do with the Jinx spin off and the 5th Brosnan film. Had the decision been made from the get -go to do an adaptation of CR (with or without Pierce), I'd bet my Blu-ray of OHMSS we would have gotten CR in 2005.
Much like then I'd say a whole year has once again been wasted by Eon by not deciding anything so far with Bond 25, and MGM taking their sweet "no rush" time with the distributor deal.
I do feel there is still a glimmer of hope for 2018. I f we were on a 2 year gap a'la CR and QOS, a new film would be out next month and development on the next wouldn't start until late winter/early spring time. Filming would commence in January of 2018 for a November release. Heck, filming could even start as late as April and be out in December. It's been done before.
if it's the same quality as QOS SP and especially SF it's done in two days, by students.
Hey, that could be better than two years of Logan. :D
Agreed. Logan's original script sounded pretty solid from what I've heard -- but Mendes had "better" ideas and hired P&W to butcher the script. Although Amy Pascal is also at fault with her upcase emails WHY WOULD JAMES BOND BE IN A CAGE FIGHT THAT IS SO NOT BONDIAN I DONT LIKE THIS OR LIKE THAT. Who knows. I haven't ever read the original draft but any draft without the brother angle and Waltz's (weak) Blofeld sounds good to me.
Basically, what Purvis and Wade did was to take the plot elements Logan built the film on and rewrite everything else. And I'm suspecting it was Craig who insisted upon the stepbrother/foster brother idea, which is daft, unoriginal and idiotic. High School Musical stuff. It was low in any regard. They could have stirred the pot in many ways! Franz Oberhauser may have been a good start... Okay, Oberhauser could've been a good pass for the foster brother angle, but not the background given to him. Somebody said that ages ago here and I'll recall the revenge element properly placed. Oberhauser could have held grudge at Bond because his father was killed because of an MI-6 agent, a double agent that was Major Dexter Smythe. They could've used that! And when Bond affiliates himself with MI-6, that's when Franz fixates on him. Why the Blofeld revelation?
Let Blofeld be at the end of the film where he walks around with the Persian Cat (yes, that should be included. Not in the novels? Don't give a damn. It's iconic thanks to the cinematic portrait which boosted the series' popularity in the first place) from the shadows and takes the seat at the head of the table as he's throned to be the head of Spectre (or SPECTRE with acronyms, whatever). It's not hard to make solid something. They should stop playing the appeal to the teenage audience. Especially the teenagers of today.
You're right. I just wasn't a fan of Logan before SP.
He though was at least thinking out of the box and not retreating Hollywood cliches.
I suppose making the same kind of film over and over and over and over again might lose its appeal even if you're the daughter of the guy - Cubby Broccoli - that started it all! How do you reinvent James Bond? Hmm.. tough one. Perhaps if MI6 was completely shut down and James Bond was an agent for hire?
The title could be:
AGENT FOR HIRE
and it's set in a world where the government has shut down MI6 and drones do much of the spy work. The 00 section has closed and some of the 00 agents work as mercenaries. Bond has retired but discovers a conspiracy which threatens the lives of the remaining 00 agents. Bond would not be license to kill - technically - as he's no longer a 00 agent but he'd work with some covert group within the CIA or something just to add some legitimacy to his actions.
Something like that might work but it would necessitate a new Bond actor. M would not be in the film or if he is he's retired too, same with Moneypenny. This would be a world where Bond is no longer needed. That's the premise of Bond 25. It would be a way to reboot the franchise, perhaps. Remove Bond as a 00 working for the British government and you got an interesting premise!
James Bond:
*holding head in shame*
So does Purvis and Wade the original ending of die another day was an exact copy of the novel of Moonraker and Lee Tamahori rejected it and said it needs to be more over the top and well we see the results
Interesting... but DAD would have ended presumably almost like Die Hard 2. Maybe? I dunno.
Scriptwriting is, and always has been a collaborative effort. There is contradictory to say otherwise.
I am a huge fan of Spectre, but I can acknowledge the fact that there are faults in the general storyline. I think also think that particular aspect can be put down to that the filmmakers did rather see certain scenes and moments that were going to deliver (car chase, plane chase, emotional payoff) without seeing how it progressed within the storyline.
Craig has rejuvenated the series like no Bond since Connery. They made him a producer to entice him to SP. Eon won't let him go easily. For one thing, he will be a tough act to follow.
If it's back to 'moody gloomy', then I say do what you have to in order to entice and keep Craig, because nobody does it better. If it's more light hearted and formulaic, then they have choices.
@echo-- yes, and yes.
@ Mendes: DC is a highly skilled actor. It's the writer(s) job to develop an amazing story. Give the character some stakes and motivation and you'll see DC perform with great energy. As Echo said, he rejuvenated the series, and he will be a tough act to follow.