No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I'd love for Refn to get the job to finish Dan's era off. His visual style would give such a spooky look to things if they went all out and did a revenge story with Bond vs. Blofeld in the garden of death. Refn's garden of death would look legendary.
    Refn, Campbell, or Villeneuve coupled with the Garden of Death would be equally perfect matches for all three.

    Maybe not Campbell... he's good but needs more than a well accomplished journeyman.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Campbell possesses the power of 10 journeymen put together. There isn't a better Bond director since the 60's. I always say that nowadays it would be really refreshing to see a Bond adventure that focuses on getting the basics right, and both of Campbell's films succeed in that regard.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I'd love for Refn to get the job to finish Dan's era off. His visual style would give such a spooky look to things if they went all out and did a revenge story with Bond vs. Blofeld in the garden of death. Refn's garden of death would look legendary.

    Yes, Refn would be the man to close out Craig's films (paving the way for Campbell to introduce 007 #7). He said pretty much the same thing the first time he was interviewed on Bond, about Dr. No and FRWL feeling like the truest incarnations of Bond for him and OHMSS being the best (although the bit about the Dalton films feeling nasty—"narsty"?—is new). I said it then, I'll say it again, let's see this man do a faithful YOLT. Still hope that's actually somehow secretly the up-in-the-air project he has with Purvis and Wade.

    And if P&W had to come back, at least Refn has a history with them creatively. It'd be great to see Refn as the next director, as above many things, the movie would look visceral and crazy (in the best way).
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    What Refn said about OHMSS makes him No 1 on my list. The man obviously knows what's good.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    What Refn said about OHMSS makes him No 1 on my list. The man obviously knows what's good.

    Agreed
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    What Refn said about OHMSS makes him No 1 on my list. The man obviously knows what's good.
    He also recognizes Terence Young as king, which is another point in his favor.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    What Refn said about OHMSS makes him No 1 on my list. The man obviously knows what's good.
    He also recognizes Terence Young as king, which is another point in his favor.

    Yes, but he did have Connery, Binder, Barry, Adam, Maibaum, Hunt, atc.

    Campbell didn't have any of them.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    What Refn said about OHMSS makes him No 1 on my list. The man obviously knows what's good.
    He also recognizes Terence Young as king, which is another point in his favor.

    Agreed there too.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    What Refn said about OHMSS makes him No 1 on my list. The man obviously knows what's good.
    He also recognizes Terence Young as king, which is another point in his favor.

    Yes, but he did have Connery, Binder, Barry, Adam, Maibaum, Hunt, atc.

    Campbell didn't have any of them.

    Yes, the dream team that birthed Bond. Though Young was talented all on his own and had to balance all departments, so I don't think his equally skilled crew should deem him less of a master in what he brought to Bond.

    Campbell is to be respected though, because he took a book that many felt would never be adapted, or couldn't, given how far past the 50s the world had gotten, but he used the film to tell an interesting story that adapted the spirit of the book and the main bits of the story while creating new sbu-plots, all while introducing a new Bond to the world for the first time in a revamped film that didn't have all the frills of the formula to rely on. That's a lot to balance and a lot of risk, so yes, he did great.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    What Refn said about OHMSS makes him No 1 on my list. The man obviously knows what's good.
    He also recognizes Terence Young as king, which is another point in his favor.

    Yes, but he did have Connery, Binder, Barry, Adam, Maibaum, Hunt, atc.

    Campbell didn't have any of them.

    Yes, the dream team that birthed Bond. Though Young was talented all on his own and had to balance all departments, so I don't think his equally skilled crew should deem him less of a master in what he brought to Bond.

    Campbell is to be respected though, because he took a book that many felt would never be adapted, or couldn't, given how far past the 50s the world had gotten, but he used the film to tell an interesting story that adapted the spirit of the book and the main bits of the story while creating new sbu-plots, all while introducing a new Bond to the world for the first time in a revamped film that didn't have all the frills of the formula to rely on. That's a lot to balance and a lot of risk, so yes, he did great.

    Not only that, but he made Goldeneye too. What a legend! 8->
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 2016 Posts: 6,277
    I hope that Bond 25 changes up the Craig formula a bit. CR was about "becoming Bond"; QoS was "becoming Bond" redux. SF was "becoming Moneypenny/M." SP was "becoming Blofeld."
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,408
    Reading Refn’s comments have made me so eager for him to direct a Bond film. Watching his films I always find him to be overly-indulgent and self-serving. However, I really like them still…..he has a very distinctive point of view, Refn is very much a descendant of the Lars von Trier and Tarantino school of provocation. For example, ‘The Neon Demon’ is such a bizarre but exciting piece of cinema; it’s not for the weak-hearted or easily offended.

    Refn clearly has good ideas and a pre-existing relationship with EON. In fairness, Refn is saying all the right things as well (his comments about FRWL and OHMSS are on the nose). I can imagine EON getting on board with him.

    I also really like the idea of Bond encountering a single mother. It would give his relastionship with the female lead something a little different. In fact, it sounds very similar to Refn’s ‘Drive’…..

    Do we want to see Bond looking after or protecting a child? We’ve never seen that in the series before. It could be interesting…..the recent Logan trailer seems to have a similar slant.



    The idea of Bond with a child has been tossed around before.

    I seem to recall that one of the original story ideas for TWINE was to give Bond a son. Maybe this was just posturing done in the tabloids, but there were reports that Bond would team up his son, who would be played by Ewan McGregor.

    Also, we know that Paul Haggis’s original draft for QOS gave Vesper further motivation to betray MI6 as Quantum would have kidnapped her daughter. According to ‘Some Kind of Hero’ we know the film would have ended with Bond rescuing the child and dropping her off at an orphanage in Moscow. In the end Barbara Broccoli vetoed the idea as she felt Bond would not have treated an orphan in that way considering his own upbringing.

    Before people cry bloody murder, there is a huge bit of precedent that strengthens the idea of giving Bond a child. In Fleming’s YOLT, Bond fathers a child with Kissy Suzeki. I think the kid even turns up in one of Raymond Benson’s novels.

    If done well, this could be an interesting angle…..but it all depends on execution. I don’t want a relationship-drama about a reluctant father learning to love his kid. It has to be a little more sophisticated than that. It’s also a perfect idea for an outgoing Bond like Craig, it wouldn’t work with a new actor (once again see the Logan trailer).


  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Isn't the first child to be given a line of dialogue in the series the kid in DAF who complains about Tiffany winning the balloon game? Maybe Refn has a point.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited November 2016 Posts: 1,756
    It could be interesting. I think that might be the only way the Craig era could finish off properly if they want to continue from SP. Maybe Bond finds his or a significant child of his, and at the end of the movie he quits for good (yes I know, again) but like... for real. So he can raise him or her. And that would conclude Craig's Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I sincerely hope that children do not become a major plot point in a future Bond film. I've been a life long fan, but this could end it for me.

    I have nothing against kids, but I'd strongly prefer they be left out of the spy genre in general and my favourite franchise in particular.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I sincerely hope that children do not become a major plot point in a future Bond film. I've been a life long fan, but this could end it for me.

    I have nothing against kids, but I'd strongly prefer they be left out of the spy genre in general and my favourite franchise in particular.

    Strongly agree.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited November 2016 Posts: 2,138
    bondjames wrote: »
    I sincerely hope that children do not become a major plot point in a future Bond film. I've been a life long fan, but this could end it for me.

    I have nothing against kids, but I'd strongly prefer they be left out of the spy genre in general and my favourite franchise in particular.

    I don't think he can after the events of Casino, what Le Chiffre does to him with the rope not meant to have destroyed his "gonads"?, I always took the following as the meaning Le Chiffre had taken his ability to have kids away from him.

    Vesper Lynd: You're not going to let me in there, are you? You've got your armor back on, that's that.

    James Bond: I have no armor left. You stripped it from me. Whatever is left of me... Whatever is left of me, whatever I am... I'm yours
    .
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I think you're reading too much into it.
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    I still maintain a good revenge driven film for bond 25 is just what the series needs
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I sincerely hope that children do not become a major plot point in a future Bond film. I've been a life long fan, but this could end it for me.

    I have nothing against kids, but I'd strongly prefer they be left out of the spy genre in general and my favourite franchise in particular.

    I don't think he can after the events of Casino, what Le Chiffre does to him with the rope not meant to have destroyed his "gonads"?, I always took the following as the meaning Le Chiffre had taken his ability to have kids away from him.

    Vesper Lynd: You're not going to let me in there, are you? You've got your armor back on, that's that.

    James Bond: I have no armor left. You stripped it from me. Whatever is left of me... Whatever is left of me, whatever I am... I'm yours
    .

    He's talking about emotional armour - he doesn't let people in. Whatever is left of him - he means what's left of him after working as a spy/assassin - later dialogue has him talking about him having no soul left if he carries on with this kind of work - a theme that is picked up on again in Spectre.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Moreover, in the Casino Royale novel it's stated that he will fully recover and will be able to have kids anyway (and he does). Granted, book and movie are two different things, but the film doesn't seem to suggest otherwise.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Regardless Bond, Children a massive no no. Best thing about Bond is the mystery and that no matter how much he would want a normal life, it's just not possible for him to have one, I think Mendes has peeled back enough layers which has over-huminzed the Character and eradicated a lot of the mystery, it is important it does not add more.

    It is very difficult now in the Craig era for them to write something which does not cover ground already seen in his films.


    Whatever they decide his grudge needs to be professional, rather than personal this time, get away from the back story. I think the smartest move would be around what is implemented by Spectre in the event Blofeld is captured or killed. A nuclear threat may work? i.e Bond off on the hunt to disarm or shut down the threat . A bit old school Connery type storyline like Thunderball/Goldfinger.

    One thing which did annoy me about Mendes is this "We have assembled this amazing cast, it be a shame not to use them and we get more Team MI6" next film needs to be more a Solo job like Casino.

  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited November 2016 Posts: 7,314
    X-Men Apocalypse was a disappointment overall, but perhaps the best thing about it was when we saw Magneto trying to live a "normal life", raising a family out in the country. I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet, but I suppose this kind of scenario could work out for Bond 25.

    Although, they'd have to tweak it, as Bond is in quite a different situation. Plus, the outcome would probably be predictable. Not really at the top of my wishlist. Do we really want to see Bond being a daddy? Is this really what's become of the Craig era?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    edited November 2016 Posts: 7,582
    bondjames wrote: »
    I sincerely hope that children do not become a major plot point in a future Bond film. I've been a life long fan, but this could end it for me.

    I have nothing against kids, but I'd strongly prefer they be left out of the spy genre in general and my favourite franchise in particular.

    Makes you wonder if children have ever featured in Bond movies?? Apart from the classroom scene in DAF.

    Stop press ''Who's she, YOUR MOTHER?"

    And the kid selling elephant figures in TMWTGG.

    Probably loads if I thought about it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 2016 Posts: 8,392
    Isn't the first child to be given a line of dialogue in the series the kid in DAF who complains about Tiffany winning the balloon game? Maybe Refn has a point.

    @NicNac beat you to it. ;)
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    There's a fair few in the circus scenes in OP and the boy on the beach in CR when Solange rides past. But as for speaking parts I'm struggling.
  • I like the kid in MWTGG: You are very handsome man. 40 baht. .... (smiles) for you, mister, 20 baht.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    No kids in a Bond movie, please
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    SeanCraig wrote: »
    No kids in a Bond movie, please

    Except in the audience. Well not too young but old enough to get.

    Gee now I just sound like a bad dad.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    SeanCraig wrote: »
    No kids in a Bond movie, please

    Damn right. They ruined Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom when 'Short Round' showed up.

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