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Yes, I agree completely. QoS could have actually made a good traditional Bond film, if they took out all the connections to CR and Vesper. I like the central plot, the characters, and set up for a possible SPECTRE type organisation.
*Yawn*, there are so many people on this forum who see all the glaring mistakes, who have all the answers and that's why they are...
... not even in the film industry
We don't have to be. We're fans stating an opinion.
We are the ones that know what we want. You don't have to be in the film industry to know that. Hell I've seen better continuation plots written by fans than we'll probably get in Bond 25.
Umm, those were the best parts. QoS without Mr. White, Mathis, Vesper, the plane scene with Mathis, and the epiloque would be pretty empty indeed (not to mention about 30 minutes long).
Lest they forget without us there would be no Bond. They are supposed to make these for the fans. We buy the tickets :)
Consumer sovereignty.
But this doesn't happen, does it.
And that's because the people in power actually know how to make films from beginning to end, whether you like the project or not, and they know that this is a business where they're competing in a global market and against other spy franchises.
So it's easy to sit here, after the work is done on any given film, and pontificate all that you can right about this movie or that movie, without having the slightest idea in how that project was made.
As a fan, of course you have your opinions, and your right to those opinions. Just understand, that's all they are.
:-@ ...blah blah blah.
I get your point and that seems the way EoN sees it but the way you presented your point is full of pretense. That's what I can't stand.
We obviously know we aren't or most of us aren't in the movie business. I think we get from following these that's it's an extremely complicated process and in a studio system most times the director just can't make the film he/she wants.
But c'mon we're vetted fans we know what we want for the most part. No we never agree totally but I resent your condescending tone telling us we don't have a clue.
The quality of discussion here is astounding ...
I can respect opinions, discussions and so on, however, I get tired of the tone of some; they make it sound like Babs or EoN, or DC, or P&W just absolutely screwed the Bond franchise. And that is not the case. Whether one likes SP or not, it made almost $900 million at the box office. In a world where there are more spy franchises than ever, these other films barely break the $500 million mark, if they reach it at all.
Babs, EoN et al are doing something amazing. Do I think that SP was perfect (far from it, although I appreciate it), and do I hope there are some changes for Bond 25? Most definitely. But I refuse to write off this franchise as being in a "dark period" as some here consistently imply.
Best,
P
Give it a rest, why are you bothering to keep coming back to him, I don't want read childish spats?
I was a big proponent of the new direction post-CR. It was a shot in the arm. However, like all good things, I believe it has run its course.
Life is all about changes and renewals, and the time is ripe (imho) for that with the Bond franchise. Either it will come with B25 as I hope, or shortly thereafter with B26.
(:| ...anyway. Not quite sure why I was singled out since I entered toward the end of the discussion.
Plus both of you deflected my point ...doesn't really matter. I'm not going to argue ...not worth it.
Both points by the way are not necessarily in opposition... I was simply offended by the way the opinion was presented as if the thread was being chided.
Enough of this ...sorry I even responded.
I thought your point was valid. It was the unnecessary back and forth that was tedious.
Anyway, a lot of people seem to want a 'traditional' Bond film for Bond 25. I say we go in the opposite direction - a Bond film even closer to Fleming's vision that isn't concerned about getting a 12A rating to make more money, and is filmed in black and white in a 4:3 aspect ratio.
Unless the series takes some real risks, and, after DC's tenure, they resign Bond from the big screen and develop a dark TV series (on Netflicks or Amazon), updating all the novels.
(about a snowball's chance in hell of that happening, but one I'd buy into)
Ok I accept that. I'm sorry ..you're right let's move on.
Sorry also @Peter..
Moving on but I respond hastily and angrily sometimes and I'm trying to temper that.
We need news lol.
No harm done.
Yes, news would be good.