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  • Risico007Risico007
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    No news till mid-2017. ;)
    To be honest the video games is what help eases the lack of films but sigh
    Video games are tied to Eon/Danjaq/MGM. So, no games... But, try the comics... They are brilliantly great.

    I do enjoy the comic to be honest. Like I said I prefer when bond is on our world and our time regardless of medium but IFP have s winning strategy for period pieces for some reason so oh well.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    I understand people’s gripes with Spectre’s structuring. The problem is that the film is so bloated and full of portent, however, it also strives to be a piece of frivolous entertainment. The styles don’t really gel.

    So what you’re left with is a an oddly bitty film that never quite lives up to its potential. There are moments and scenes which work incredibly well but the entire rhythm of the piece is a little off and the film never truly flows.

    - The Mexico portion is incredible. It’s the apex of the movie.
    - The Rome segment is great fun – good old-fashioned escapism.
    - The Austria stuff is serious furrowed-brow character stuff (which I love and suits Craig perfect – the Mr. White scene and Hoffler Klinik stuff is fantastic. However, the plane chase is nonsensical and has major logic issues)
    - Morocco is great in-depth character stuff.
    - Blofeld’s lair is pretty awful– just doesn’t work. Clearly there were MAJOR script issues here.
    - London finale is a tad low-key and uneventful. I actually appreciate it for that reason, it’s slightly more claustrophic and haunting. But I really don’t like those tacked on scenes between M and C – it’s so badly written.

    Blofeld is the biggest issue in the Spectre script. He presented too many problems that they just couldn’t fix at the writing stage…..But there’s a silver lining…….

    He didn’t die. So there still is the possibility of bringing him back…..but should they? Could Christoph return? I feel these are the questions that EON are grappling with currently. Hence, why they haven’t announced anything in a year.

    I’d love to see a true adaptation of Fleming’s YOLT. But I also sorta hope we get an original film…

    This is one of the most astute reviews of the film I have read. Aside from Mexico (which has its own logic issues but is so enjoyable, who cares?), Rome and Austria are the highlights, but tonally feel like they are from entirely different movies.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
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    I wish they had spent more time in Austria, I think the only part the film sags is L American just a bit.

    I guess Im one one the few that really like when they finally get to Oberhausers base, the meteorite, control room, & torture sequence.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    echo wrote: »
    Rome and Austria are the highlights, but tonally feel like they are from entirely different movies.

    I guess you could say that, but IMO the SPECTRE meeting and Mr. White scene are very much in line, tonally.

  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
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    Superintendent wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Rome and Austria are the highlights, but tonally feel like they are from entirely different movies.

    I guess you could say that, but IMO the SPECTRE meeting and Mr. White scene are very much in line, tonally.

    The problem is the tonal whiplash after the Spectre meeting courtesy of the jokey car chase.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    In an exclusive with Deadline, Sam Mendes talks about dropping 'Voyeur Motel', and briefly mentions Bond and Daniel.

    [...]We’ve got lots of other things in development. Having had a break after the last Bond movie Spectre, it felt like it was time to move on.”

    Noting that Mendes said he was stopping at two 007 films, and that there are rumors Daniel Craig will likely return for more after initially begging out, I ask if this was about the time he receives the inevitable call from James Bond, pulling him back in for his third 007 film?

    “I think you’re going to have to ask…I don’t think anyone’s getting a call from Daniel Craig until he opens in Othello, which is his entire focus,” Mendes said.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    There we have it.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    Yup mendes confirms Aidan Turner is the new James Bond (just kidding lol)
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Dear Lord, I hope Craig doesn't pull Mendes back for a third.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Dear Lord, I hope Craig doesn't pull Mendes back for a third.

    Lets hope he already pulled Steven Soderbergh in.

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    There we have it.
    ...
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Dear Lord, I hope Craig doesn't pull Mendes back for a third.

    Lets hope he already pulled Steven Soderbergh in.

    Well if that were the case, Soderbergh could have the thing shot in three weeks and released early next year. ;)

    I haven't seen as much of Soderbergh's filmography as I would like to make an informed decision on yay or nay for him for Bond, but I do recall him lavishing praise upon OHMSS on his website, which is always a good sign in a director.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Please no Mendes ...scarey and extremely disappointing comment.
  • RC7RC7
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    Mendes doing a third is more of a possibility than recasting right at this moment.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes doing a third is more of a possibility than recasting right at this moment.

    When Dan said everyone is a little tired, I got the vibe it included Mendes. I think Mendes found the whole process of Spectre a major strain. Mendes has said Creatively he has got everything he wanted out of Bond. Therefore recasting him as director would be a disaster IMO, I think the next needs to be a solid thriller and a director with a fresh pair of eyes and vision.
  • RC7RC7
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    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes doing a third is more of a possibility than recasting right at this moment.

    When Dan said everyone is a little tired, I got the vibe it included Mendes. I think Mendes found the whole process of Spectre a major strain. Mendes has said Creatively he has got everything he wanted out of Bond. Therefore recasting him as director would be a disaster IMO, I think the next needs to be a solid thriller and a director with a fresh pair of eyes and vision.

    When I say recasting I'm talking about the actor, you 'hire' director. I think the most likely scenario is DC with a new director, but what I'm saying above is the likelihood of Mendes returning for a third, is at this moment, more likely than DC walking imo.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    RC7 wrote: »
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes doing a third is more of a possibility than recasting right at this moment.

    When Dan said everyone is a little tired, I got the vibe it included Mendes. I think Mendes found the whole process of Spectre a major strain. Mendes has said Creatively he has got everything he wanted out of Bond. Therefore recasting him as director would be a disaster IMO, I think the next needs to be a solid thriller and a director with a fresh pair of eyes and vision.

    When I say recasting I'm talking about the actor, you 'hire' director. I think the most likely scenario is DC with a new director, but what I'm saying above is the likelihood of Mendes returning for a third, is at this moment, more likely than DC walking imo.

    Ah I see. You know when you go back to seeing how Mendes came on board, it was Dan who brought him to the table. I also saw an interview with Dan where he told a story about how Tarantino approached him at a party and said "I want to talk to you about Bond, I want to direct one" Dan said he laughed it off but QT was serious. Magical thing about having Dan on board is the directors you can pull in with him. I am hoping Dan does return, because if he does it will guarantee a top director. I think with potential move of Studio/distributor it make what is a already a very complex situation a lot easier.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    No more Mendes, please. I am a great fan of SF but he is just done. We need a different kind of Director and writer(s); a team that can mix Fleming material (OHMSS, MR come to mind) with a Terence Young or Peter Hunt style of direction.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    I'd rather have Roger Spottiswoode return over another Mendes Bond.
  • ColonelSunColonelSun
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I'd rather have Roger Spottiswoode return over another Mendes Bond.

    Spottiswoode is known to be indecisive and that caused a lot of issues and friction on TND. I know people who worked on it and found it a strain due to the man at the helm.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2016 Posts: 15,423
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I'd rather have Roger Spottiswoode return over another Mendes Bond.

    Spottiswoode is known to be indecisive and that caused a lot of issues and friction on TND. I know people who worked on it and found it a strain due to the man at the helm.
    Still a better choice than Mendes or Forster... or Tamahori.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Surprisingly TND stays on focus far better than SP with just the right amount of drama courtesy of Louis Lane. Better cinematography in my opinion too.

    All in my opinion of course.

    Stand alone mission like TND for B25 would be a dream come true.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Spottiswoode did a decent enough job with TND. It was 'Bondian' enough. If he had a better female cast, tried to be a little more innovative rather than derivative in plot, and injected a little more old school romantic flavour rather than modernesque industrial feel, I would have much preferred that film.

    His action directing was spot on, but the hand to hand combat was weak, as was the glamour aspect, which GE nailed in Monaco for instance.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The hand to hand combat in the Brosnan era aside from GoldenEye is cringe-worthy. Big time.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Surprisingly TND stays on focus far better than SP with just the right amount of drama courtesy of Louis Lane. Better cinematography in my opinion too.

    All in my opinion of course.

    Stand alone mission like TND for B25 would be a dream come true.

    =D> yes please!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The hand to hand combat in the Brosnan era aside from GoldenEye is cringe-worthy. Big time.

    Yeah that soundproof room fight sequence in Hamburg was a joke.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    I've always liked the soundproof room fight, but yeah generally hand to hand combat is poor in the Brosnan films.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2016 Posts: 15,423
    The soundproof room fight scene could have been good, but it wasn't. And neither was any of the subsequent fights in the Brosnan era until Casino Royale came along. I mean, speaking as a fan of the Brosnan Bond, one of the major downers in his tenure was the close quarters combat choreography. It was quite decent in GoldenEye, and his fight with Alec was brilliantly gritty, violent and fast-paced... And then what do they give us in Tomorrow Never Dies? Bond, a professional special operative merely struggling with a henchman on top of a crane or whatever it was, punching the goon like a grandfather in his 80s... What were they thinking really?
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The soundproof room fight scene could have been good, but it wasn't. And neither was any of the subsequent fights in the Brosnan era until Casino Royale came along. I mean, speaking as a fan of the Brosnan Bond, one of the major downers in his tenure was the close quarters combat choreography. It was quite decent in GoldenEye, and his fight with Alec was brilliantly gritty, violent and fast-paced... And then what do they give us in Tomorrow Never Dies? Bond, a professional special operative merely struggling with a henchman on top of a crane or whatever it was, punching the goon like a grandfather in his 80s... What were they thinking really?

    It's not that bad.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The soundproof room fight scene could have been good, but it wasn't. And neither was any of the subsequent fights in the Brosnan era until Casino Royale came along. I mean, speaking as a fan of the Brosnan Bond, one of the major downers in his tenure was the close quarters combat choreography. It was quite decent in GoldenEye, and his fight with Alec was brilliantly gritty, violent and fast-paced... And then what do they give us in Tomorrow Never Dies? Bond, a professional special operative merely struggling with a henchman on top of a crane or whatever it was, punching the goon like a grandfather in his 80s... What were they thinking really?

    It's not that bad.
    I'd love to agree, mate, but it kind of is that bad. The way he was swinging the punch like he was high or something. The Craig Bond would have incapacitated that guard with one headbutt.
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