No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The only way to discover it is to read it. The dinosaurs are merely in a panel or two.
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    I had quite a few of those Bond comics. Wish I had kept them, actually. I remember Mike Grell's Bond likeness in Permission To Die being a dead ringer for Hoagy Carmichael. I still maintain the opinion, the filmmakers could do worse than to look to some of the comics for inspiration.
  • ToTheRight wrote: »
    I remember liking Serpent's Tooth and the comics from that era. I always thought Serpent's Tooth, Shattered Helix, and The Quasimodo Gambit were decent titles for a film. Permission To Die was a bit trite, though.
    Permission To Die was basically From Russia With Love Vol. 2, and Quasimodo was a combination of Licence To Kill, Dr No, Commando and Die Hard. Shattered Helix was confusing as hell.
    Murdock wrote: »
    Wow. There is a whole world of Bond out there I have yet to discover. I'm guessing that was Jurassic Park inspired. Have you read it? Any good?

    It came out around that time but no I haven't read it yet but I hear it's pretty good.
    Oh it's very good! My favourite Bond comic to date thanks to the great art of Paul Gulacy and the exceptional storytelling by Doug Moench.

    Wow, I will definitely have to check it out then. Jurassic Park pretty much defined my entire childhood so I've always held an interest in dinosaurs. And anyone who can successfully combine James Bond and dinosaurs has my utmost respect.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    SharkBait wrote: »
    What?

    Bond fought dinosaurs?
    It was good too?

    Sounds too ridiculous.

    Extremely ridiculous but fun as hell and one of the most entertaining Bond stories.

    Wouldn't work now but at the time we didn't have any Bond films and none on the horizon.

    1992 I think.

    And yes @ClarkDevlin the dinosaurs take up only a panel or two. Much more time is spent on flying saucers and the vampires :D

    Hammerhead from Dynamite has a lot of that same Serpent Tooth panache.
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    So is bond 25 going to Mother F*cker or Quentin Tarantino presents Motherf*cker
  • doubleoego wrote: »
    Inglorious Basterds gave us one of the best Bond villains of all time in Christoph Waltz's Hans Landa. It also gave us a close-quarters shoot out with an incredibly tense build-up and one hell of an amazing non-action based opening sequence. Death Proof single-handedly made Kurt Russell cool again and delivered one of the greatest car chases of all time, no hyperbole whatsoever. Kill Bill gave us another fantastic Bond villain with an exceptional climactic speech in David Carradine's Bill. It also gave us two great Bond-esque villainesses in Darryl Hannah's eye-patched Elle Driver and Chiaki Kuriyama's buzzsaw-ball-on-a-chain-wielding Gogo Yubari, and a great sprawling one-against-many samurai sword battle. Tarantino knows how to do cool. He knows how to do tension and suspense. He knows how to make you squirm. He knows how to make you laugh. He knows how to send you out of the theater with a smile on your face. He's an actor's director who draws amazing performances from his cast. He continuously reinvents and revives what has grown tired or out-of-fashion in the public consciousness. If this man wants to do Bond, by God let him do Bond and give him whatever leash he wants so long as Zoe Bell doesn't get any speeches. There are worse things that could happen—and have happened—to the franchise than that we find ourselves perspiring in our seats from all the tension or tearing up with nervous laughter in the best possible ways. Give this man Bond.

    First of all let me just say I've had a huge crush on Chiaki Kuriyama since Kill Bill.

    Secondly, I've been against the idea of Tarantino helping Bond especially after the huge song and dance he made about EoN hijacking his idea about a CR movie. However, a few weeks ago I went through a Tarantino marathon, revisiting all his films and now, like you, after warming to the possibility of him helping a Bond film I'm fully on board with the idea.
    There's not much else to add as you summed things up succinctly but as @Thelivingroyale said, creatively EoN are essentially lost...drifting to nowhere. Tarantino in every movie of his does two things exceptionally well which Bond movies used to do but has been absent for years; and that's make dialogue-heavy scenes very interesting and his ability to build and execute tension and suspense. He never overcomplicates things and has a way with making things excitingly simple. Tarantino is a smart guy and I'm thoroughly convinced he'd make a brilliant Bond film. It would be a creative coup if EoN got him. Writer and director all in one and you'd have a film that would be instantly memorable for all the right reasons. However, as @RC7 said, I doubt it'll ever happen.

    Lost sight of your response with all the dino chat, but...

    To your first point, *sigh* didn't we all? A poster of Gogo adorned my freshman year dorm room.

    To your second point, yes, it's positively fascinating how Tarantino can take two actors, put them in a room together, and light the scene on fire. His way with dialogue is one strength I hadn't brought up, but would indeed be a huge help to the future of Bond films. In addition to spectacular stunts and inventive action sequences (both of which have been absent for some time), we need compelling and creative dialogues to be performed by powerfully directed actors, and as you point out that is precisely what we could be assured of Tarantino bringing to the table.
  • It was not pointed out to me before, but I agree that the TND fights are very so-so. There is very little urgency or dynamism in them.

    You're a little behind there, @IncompetentHenchman. We've moved on to Quentin Tarantino and dinosaurs.

    Indeed. Which suggests we are moving even further from the topic of this thread, as @jake24 points out.
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    Tarantino is because of the joke sight saying he will directhe next bondfilm
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    Tarantino directing a Bond would be a disaster.
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    So would Mendes a third time
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    So would Tamahori.
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    Honestly for returning directors I would take the following

    Apted: hear me out the world is not enough is really a great film that is often overlooked good amount of mystery good amount of Bond being awesome all around it is under appreciated and over looked

    Forester: Quantum of Solace is much like The World is not Enough a good solid film that really never got the credit it deserves.

    For new blood honestly I am sticking with the follow omg three names

    Pierre Morrel: director of Taken , look if Bond 25 is going to be the "you killed my gf and I want to kill you" revenge plot I would rather it be in the hands of someone who knows how to make the concept work and not seem tired

    Christopher Nolan: before everyone screams hear me out if he stays away from writing I think he could direct a pretty strong bond film.

    Luc Besson: again the Proffesional does for the tired revenge plot in the 90's what Taken did for in the 2000's and honestly since Spectre sets up a Licence to Kill styled bond film I would argue I would rather have a director who knows how to make that plot work then one who would make it feel more tired then it already is.

    Also until proven other wise all assumptions/wants for bond 25 are based on the idea it will be a continuation of Spectre and Bond will seek revenge for the death (likely in the pts) of Madeline Swann regardless of who plays Bond (this is also why lately I have been leaning more toward actors like Tom Hardy Michael Fassbender and a one off film from say Ewan Mcgreggor or Liam Neeson then more numerous bond actors like Hiddleston and Evans)

    Like I said they can do whatever they want but until we get any news to the contrary in November I am making my thought process known
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Apted: hear me out the world is not enough is really a great film that is often overlooked good amount of mystery good amount of Bond being awesome all around it is under appreciated and over looked
    I'm one of those who has looked but sadly can't see anything to appreciate here. A complete fiasco.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Forester: Quantum of Solace is much like The World is not Enough a good solid film that really never got the credit it deserves.
    He'd be excellent and I'd love to see him back. Given he introduced us to Spectre (or is it Quantum? It's so confusing these days!....) I say give him another shot if Craig returns, but get him to send all the shaky cams back to Paul Greengrass before they start filming!
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Christopher Nolan: before everyone screams hear me out if he stays away from writing I think he could direct a pretty strong bond film.
    Completely on board with this. He does everything well, so I'm all for it. Just get someone else to cast the female characters, and insist that he not use any of his favourites, unless he wants Caine for M.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Tarantino directing a Bond would be a disaster.
    His films are nothing short of brilliant, but he couldn't be more wrong for the job. Though, I can't deny that a part of me really wants to see how it would turn out.
  • It was not pointed out to me before, but I agree that the TND fights are very so-so. There is very little urgency or dynamism in them.

    You're a little behind there, @IncompetentHenchman. We've moved on to Quentin Tarantino and dinosaurs.

    Indeed. Which suggests we are moving even further from the topic of this thread, as @jake24 points out.

    True...as far as the dinosaurs go. Tarantino, however, is at least related to director choices for Bond 25.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Apted: hear me out the world is not enough is really a great film that is often overlooked good amount of mystery good amount of Bond being awesome all around it is under appreciated and over looked

    I'm fully onboard with Apted doing another Bond. The World Is Not Enough is an exceptional James Bond film in my book—second only to OHMSS and the perfect blend of drama, comedy, mystery, superb action, formula-shaking, formula-upholding, and a fine cast to boot, and yes that includes Denise Richards in her part as an outrageously hot nuclear physicist. Prior to Bond, Apted was perhaps best known for his outstanding Seven Up films. I would never have thought of him for Bond prior to TWINE, but he has clearly demonstrated his capacity to blend genre fun with his talent for capturing human drama on film.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Forester: Quantum of Solace is much like The World is not Enough a good solid film that really never got the credit it deserves.

    Absolutely. Forster tackled an inherently troubled production with a ton of ambition and successfully—in my book—combined his arthouse sensibilities with the high-octane world of Bond. He also really and truly understood the character of Bond. For all its action, QoS shines in the quiet character moments—the villa and flight scenes with Mathis, saying goodbye to Camille, the final scene out in the snow with M. I really would love to see Forster have another go at Bond. I think he could do some outstanding things with a future entry.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Pierre Morrel: director of Taken , look if Bond 25 is going to be the "you killed my gf and I want to kill you" revenge plot I would rather it be in the hands of someone who knows how to make the concept work and not seem tired

    I have never seen any of Morrel's films.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Christopher Nolan: before everyone screams hear me out if he stays away from writing I think he could direct a pretty strong bond film.

    Maybe. Batman Begins is definitely one of my favorite action films of all time, but he grew progressively more self-parodic throughout his Dark Knight trilogy. No doubt he would make an impressive film trenched in his own Christopher Nolan style, but I feel like I already know exactly what we would get and the prospect doesn't have me anywhere near as excited as I would be by a Tarantino Bond film. Nolan would provide us a lot of moodiness and a lot of brooding and conversations made up of speeches brimming over with grand statements and ideas and admittedly very well-filmed but not-so-well-edited action sequences that appear impressive but still have rather cold and distancing effects on the audience. If he could go back to basics and produce a Bond film with the same kind of warmth, heart, and earnestness as Batman Begins, I'd be game. I'm just not sure that's the same Nolan we have anymore.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Luc Besson: again the Proffesional does for the tired revenge plot in the 90's what Taken did for in the 2000's and honestly since Spectre sets up a Licence to Kill styled bond film I would argue I would rather have a director who knows how to make that plot work then one who would make it feel more tired then it already is.

    Besson's early work is impressive, absolutely—Le Dernier Combat, The Big Blue, Nikita, Leon. I wasn't much of a fan of The Fifth Element, but I appreciate its style and its boldness. The only other film of his I've seen is Angel-A, which was definitely a cool and artsy flick. Besson has potential. But I'll wait to see Valerian—and maybe take a glance at Lucy—before passing judgment on him for Bond.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Murdock wrote: »
    No it's completely true.
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    The story might be a little bonkers, but I love Serpent's Tooth, easily my favourite illustrated depiction of Bond.
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    SharkBait wrote: »
    What?

    Bond fought dinosaurs?
    It was good too?

    Sounds too ridiculous.

    You'll never guess who is his foster brother?

    ;)
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    We need a Bond intro casino scene with this music
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    I wouldnt want forster handling something of CR or SF quality. He can do a QOS or TND style film fine.

    I still believe Babs & EON want Nolan or Mendes to helm the next one.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I wouldnt want forster handling something of CR or SF quality. He can do a QOS or TND style film fine.

    I still believe Babs & EON want Nolan or Mendes to helm the next one.

    Still holding out hope for Campbell.
  • Tuck91 wrote: »
    I wouldnt want forster handling something of CR or SF quality. He can do a QOS or TND style film fine.

    But...but...the more dramatic and artistic parts of the film are where Forster thrived I thought?
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    I am pro Foster actually. Take away the shaky cam and give a little more time for the script and he would create (another) great entry. Hie style suited Craig very well. I think Mendes was right for SF but wrong for SP already. But Foster could really do another good one while avoiding the obstacles they had with QoS
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I'd rather he doesn't.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    He already said he wasn't going to do another Bond film after QoS because he'd want to start his own franchise or something to that effect. I don't remember the exact quote but he's pretty much out anyway. I'd rather have Martin Campbell back. Give us that holy trinity of Bond films. GoldenEye, Casino Royale, Bond25.
  • I would really like Campbell to cap off his trilogy by introducing 007 #7, whether that means Bond 25, 26, or even 27.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I would really like Campbell to cap off his trilogy by introducing 007 #7, whether that means Bond 25, 26, or even 27.

    That's the thing, that would be perfect, but I think it has to be Bond 25 or he'll be too old. Also, if B25 happens in 2019 It would be the 25th anniversary of him being picked for Bond.


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    Martin Campbell is probably too old to do another Bond movie now, let alone in a few years when the next one actually enters production.

    Not saying he couldn't do it, but right now the franchise needs some fresh energy to help rejuvenate it, and they wouldn't get that from Campbell.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    As much as I agree a prime Campbell returning would be great I doubt it will ever happen.

    It's up there with wanting Dalton with a real director and Brosnan with a real script... pipe dreams.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    As much as I agree a prime Campbell returning would be great I doubt it will ever happen.

    It's up there with wanting Dalton with a real director and Brosnan with a real script... pipe dreams.

    I don't quite agree with that. The last time a Bond was introduced without Martin at the helm was 1987. I don't think its quite so absurd to think that he could return again, but at the rate they are making films nowadays, it has to be Bond 25, which means Craig has to leave the role.

    The idea that Campbell will return without a new actor to work with, now that really is farfetched. Just not his style.
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