No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The problem with Campbell directing Craig's last is EON's seems unable to make 2 consecutive films that are hits with the critics and general audience. SP (and I think the film is really fun) was nowhere to the level of SF in popularity, same with QOS after CR, TND after GE, MR after TSWLM, and so on. I'm not saying EON will never succeed, but right now, as of 2016, they haven't done this since the Connery days. So, are we ready to sacrifice a brilliant debut film for Bond #7 for a high-note ending to the Craig era? I'm pretty sure most people outside the hardcore fan base will tell you that each debut outing is better than the last film of the previous film, but I don't think EON has it in them right now to follow-up a debut outing straight after a CR-level send off for Craig by Campbell. Unless they either get Campbell to also direct Bond 26, or as @doubleoego said, they strip these boring limitations and hire a non-Commonwealth director - Villeneuve would have no problem delivering the goods straight after Campbell.

    Well, I think B25 should star a new actor, personally. Craig has had a 10 year rein, that's more than most of the other actors got. Not just that, but I think the world is changing a lot at the moment, culturally and politically. I think its the right time to recast.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited November 2016 Posts: 10,591
    I haven't seen Waltz doing hand-to-hand combat in any film, though. He's only the vocal menace but not physicality. I was excited about his casting at first, but ended up being disappointed after seeing his performance. He was wasted.
    If Spectre is his sole involvement with Bond, I'll regard his Blofeld as a disappointment (though I very much liked his performance). But there's so much room for his character to grow and expand into something wonderful, that seeing him evolve over the course of a second film will make it all the more worth it.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    The problem with Campbell directing Craig's last is EON's seems unable to make 2 consecutive films that are hits with the critics and general audience. SP (and I think the film is really fun) was nowhere to the level of SF in popularity, same with QOS after CR, TND after GE, MR after TSWLM, and so on. I'm not saying EON will never succeed, but right now, as of 2016, they haven't done this since the Connery days. So, are we ready to sacrifice a brilliant debut film for Bond #7 for a high-note ending to the Craig era? I'm pretty sure most people outside the hardcore fan base will tell you that each debut outing is better than the last film of the previous film, but I don't think EON has it in them right now to follow-up a debut outing straight after a CR-level send off for Craig by Campbell. Unless they either get Campbell to also direct Bond 26, or as @doubleoego said, they strip these boring limitations and hire a non-Commonwealth director - Villeneuve would have no problem delivering the goods straight after Campbell.

    I don't think EoN has that limitation. With the exception of Forster just hasn't happened. I remember reading that during the Cubby days Cuddy himself was talking to the director recounting the story. Someone please help I can't remember who the director was. Fairly notable director I believe.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 2016 Posts: 8,395
    "In development" could simply mean drawing up a list of the places he hasn't been yet. Without a distributor, or official confirmation that Craig will return, they can't exactly "develop" a whole lot at the moment. I think its probably just mapping out different possibilities at this stage.
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    They can draft up story ideas without knowing who the next Bond will be.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Bounine wrote: »
    They can draft up story ideas without knowing who the next Bond will be.

    True, but they can't properly start a script when they don't know whether Craig, and by extension Seydoux, Waltz etc. Will return.

    I suppose they can start and think about where to take the franchise next, in case Craig doesn't return, but its still just throwing ideas around. We know that they have met with several actors earlier in the year.
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    They are at a crossroads & a tough spot right now. There is a path with Craig for a final outing but it needs to be of more substance than the last two. I think Craig has more say in the outcome than some here think. If Babs hands him a script next year & its not good/great Craig might pass, he might not. If he passes they are at square one again.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited November 2016 Posts: 1,756

    My guess is that they are maybe thinking of locations, action set pieces, things Bond can do, etc, rather than the actual story at the moment.


  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited November 2016 Posts: 10,591
    My guess is that they are maybe thinking of locations, action set pieces, things Bond can do, etc, rather than the actual story at the moment.
    I think you might be right. A lot of that stuff is pre-conceived before any elements of actual story is fleshed out.

    Listen, Bond 25 is in development. The phrase "in development" can be construed in many different ways, but bottom line is that it's in the process of being made, which is much better than a production that is completely stagnant. I actually think Barber's acknowledgement of Bond 25 in the investor relations call is the first of its kind coming from an official source. That has to mean something, right?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    They often base the story on recent events, so they're also probably looking at Putin, Trump, Brexit, etc. for ideas.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    jake24 wrote: »
    My guess is that they are maybe thinking of locations, action set pieces, things Bond can do, etc, rather than the actual story at the moment.
    I think you might be right. A lot of that stuff is pre-conceived before any elements of actual story is fleshed out.

    Listen, Bond 25 is in development. The phrase "in development" can be construed in many different ways, but bottom line is that it's in the process of being made, which is much better than a production that is completely stagnant. I actually think Barber's acknowledgement of Bond 25 in the investor relations call is the first of its kind coming from an official source. That has to mean something, right?

    The question is will they have a finished script and the entire cast and crew assembled in 12 months from now? I personally think it will take longer than that. Craig might not want to hang around that long, but I don't know.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 5,745
    We also need to consider that the only time a Bond movie wasn't officially "In Development" in its 54 year history was the bankruptcy before Skyfall (even though they were all still working on the film).

    So "In Development" could mean a six year hiatus like before GoldenEye or Casino Royale, or it could be three years like between Skyfall and Spectre. We'll have a better idea when Craig starts doing media rounds for his new projects and we get a distributor.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 2,599
    It's respectful to write up a story or a script with Craig in mind. They can presume that Waltz is returning and if he doesn't then only a few things need to be tweaked unless of course the whole story is based around a personal revenge story which it bloody well shouldn't be. Bond can try and get some revenge at the end of the film but the main body of the movie should consist of a neutral, traditional villainous plot and what Bond does to investigate. They don't need to know whether Madeline and Waltz's Blofeld will return or not.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 202
    Craig will return if the script excites him. He's not in it for the paycheck. If they give him a generic, by the numbers story (a classic Purvis and Wade in other words), I think he might pass and announce he's hanging up his holster. There are so many great writers EON could turn to. Craig deserves a bloody good send off. Go back to Fleming. Go back to Moonraker (another UK set adventure) or YOLT (globe trotting and, most signifcantly, the last part of the Blofeld trilogy). Hell, Trigger Mortis by Anothy Horowitz could also serve as the blue print for Bond 25 (fast cars, exotic locations - just replace Pussy Galore). Like I said, so many great story ideas out there. Fingers crossed.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I think SPECTRE was Craig's sendoff. And as the Bond series goes, it was a very good one. Better than AVTAK and DAD at the very least.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited November 2016 Posts: 1,756


    A fun video if you imagine it as if Le Chiffre had got away in Casino Royale, removed his ties, and ending up becoming a hitman.
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    http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/james-bond/45579/roger-moore-opens-door-to-future-james-bond-movie-appearance

    So this confirms it Roger Moore is James Bond 007 in Risico coming 2018...

    Hey they can digitally de age him to look like he did on a view to a kill. This way we can have Betty white (also digitally de aged) as the Bond girl
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Please don't read the comments for this article. Are there still people out there who don't get Sir Roger's sense of humour?
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited November 2016 Posts: 2,138
    I am of the belief there are two type of Bond fan.

    Those who:

    1. Who believe nothing will ever better the original Connery era from Dr No to YOLT "the golden era"

    &

    2. Those believe it has been bettered or still can bettered.

    I feel most fit section 1.

    I have begun to examine what made that initial period so good, in comparison to the style and direction in Casino Royale, which of all Bond films which followed, probably came closest to recreating "the golden area" and what has been missing since CR.

    4 key elements for me.

    1. The Score, Arnolds score syncs in Casino so well with vintage Bond elements just as we see in the John Barry era. The music of Bond is as equally important as the image on the screen. Arnolds score on QOS has some great elements but it's far detached from the swinging acid jazzy brass and strings of "the golden era" that he recaptured so well in Casino Royale. Arnold must return in bond 25.

    2. Setting the scene and the mood. Casino like the golden area shows panoramic shots before you then get the scene with dialogue. This is something which •Terence Young and Guy Hamilton were superb at, and Martin Campbell has clearly picked up on. Examples of this and other tricks are like showing you a brick wall, and for a moment the brain thinks "that's weird why they showing you a quiet street with a brick wall??", before a tank (Goldeneye) or Bond (Casino Royale, Madagascar) suddenly burst through and the musical cuts of score with the Bond theme kick in. These are tricks which please us movie fans in general. Bond 25 requires a true craftsman who understands the small things that please an audience and not just an action director.

    3. The way in which is filmed. Like Spectre most high budget movies are shot digital, it makes it easier to merge CGI on to the top of. Campbell used it as little as possible in Casino (Venice). When effects are done for real, they become timeless. When done with CGI effects they are only as good watching back after a few years, as the effects of modern era you are watching. Another point which I believe Campbell understood and why he only used it when no alternative (usually budget). However Mendes ambition has used numerous times to keep overall budget down. I would like to see Bond 25 shot in Stock 70mm roadshow format. a format Tarrantino used on The Hateful Eight. It has incredible warmth missing from Digital.

    4. Casino Royale does not go overboard with technology. Another matter which keep it timeless. There is no over use of mobile phones, modern cars. When you watch Casino Royale (other than some scenes like Miami Airport) it is hard to tell if Bond is operating in the modern area or still back in the 60's and for me that is how you make a modern Bond. That for me is all about picking locations where time has stood still.

    All in all, a Bond movie needs to be made for all of time, and not just for the time of it's release.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    I 100% agree with @SirHilaryBray
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    @SirHilaryBray

    100% agree.

    DEFINITELY AGREE about the 70mm portion too. Bond would greatly benefit from the format, especially with all its spectacle.

    Really not sure why they haven't used the format yet.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    I am of the belief there are two type of Bond fan.

    Those who:

    1. Who believe nothing will ever better the original Connery era from Dr No to YOLT "the golden era"

    &

    2. Those believe it has been bettered or still can bettered.

    I feel most fit section 1.

    I have begun to examine what made that initial period so good, in comparison to the style and direction in Casino Royale, which of all Bond films which followed, probably came closest to recreating "the golden area" and what has been missing since CR.

    4 key elements for me.

    1. The Score, Arnolds score syncs in Casino so well with vintage Bond elements just as we see in the John Barry era. The music of Bond is as equally important as the image on the screen. Arnolds score on QOS has some great elements but it's far detached from the swinging acid jazzy brass and strings of "the golden era" that he recaptured so well in Casino Royale. Arnold must return in bond 25.

    2. Setting the scene and the mood. Casino like the golden area shows panoramic shots before you then get the scene with dialogue. This is something which •Terence Young and Guy Hamilton were superb at, and Martin Campbell has clearly picked up on. Examples of this and other tricks are like showing you a brick wall, and for a moment the brain thinks "that's weird why they showing you a quiet street with a brick wall??", before a tank (Goldeneye) or Bond (Casino Royale, Madagascar) suddenly burst through and the musical cuts of score with the Bond theme kick in. These are tricks which please us movie fans in general. Bond 25 requires a true craftsman who understands the small things that please an audience and not just an action director.

    3. The way in which is filmed. Like Spectre most high budget movies are shot digital, it makes it easier to merge CGI on to the top of. Campbell used it as little as possible in Casino (Venice). When effects are done for real, they become timeless. When done with CGI effects they are only as good watching back after a few years, as the effects of modern era you are watching. Another point which I believe Campbell understood and why he only used it when no alternative (usually budget). However Mendes ambition has used numerous times to keep overall budget down. I would like to see Bond 25 shot in Stock 70mm roadshow format. a format Tarrantino used on The Hateful Eight. It has incredible warmth missing from Digital.

    4. Casino Royale does not go overboard with technology. Another matter which keep it timeless. There is no over use of mobile phones, modern cars. When you watch Casino Royale (other than some scenes like Miami Airport) it is hard to tell if Bond is operating in the modern area or still back in the 60's and for me that is how you make a modern Bond. That for me is all about picking locations where time stood has stood still.

    All in all, a Bond movie needs to be made for all of time, and not just for the time of it's release.

    Only thing wrong with this post is that Spectre was shot on 35mm film, not digital (except for a few inserts). The rest I fully agree with. It's not what you have it's how you use it, as they say.

    Thankfully I never had that problem. ;)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 2016 Posts: 8,395
    More films are being filmed on 70mm than before. Just imagine if they shot Bond 25 on that format, as a thank you to the fans. Just think what that would look like on 4K Bluray in the future. =P~

    Also I think Bray raises a good point. At least with Campbell we will know that there will be very little obvious CGI. He likes getting his hands dirty too much to let the computers guys have all the fun.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,205
    At this point Campbell'e age is a non-issue; he is fit, vital and more than up for another go at Bond. I enthusiastically welcome his return for either Craig's bookend to Casino Royale or the introduction of a new actor.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    Posts: 4,515
    The warmth there search for should be more like Goldeneye or Octopussy.
    Whyle again i get it cold by idea. Cold days in the warmth that Bond always brought.

    Bond isn"t any more fun, the world need the secret agent more then ever.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,408
    A Reddit user is saying that Craig AND Mendes are planning on returning:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/5fe0d1/craig_and_mendes_to_return_for_bond_25/

    daniel-with-director-sam-mendes.jpg
    Seems like bullshit. Sam has said he's out on numerous occasions - plus I think he's pretty bereft of ideas (this is especially obvious in Spectre). I think he's done. There is very little I feel he could contribute. I want new blood.
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    A Reddit user is saying that Craig AND Mendes are planning on returning:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/5fe0d1/craig_and_mendes_to_return_for_bond_25/

    Seems like bullshit. Sam has said he's out on numerous occasions - plus I think he's pretty bereft of ideas (this is especially obvious in Spectre). I think he's done. There is very little I feel he could contribute. I want new blood.

    Welll according to Craig, there is no conversation going on on Bond 25 ...
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    A Reddit user is saying that Craig AND Mendes are planning on returning:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/5fe0d1/craig_and_mendes_to_return_for_bond_25/

    Seems like bullshit. Sam has said he's out on numerous occasions - plus I think he's pretty bereft of ideas (this is especially obvious in Spectre). I think he's done. There is very little I feel he could contribute. I want new blood.

    Welll according to Craig, there is no conversation going on on Bond 25 ...

    That was in early October though. They could have started talks since then.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,325
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    A Reddit user is saying that Craig AND Mendes are planning on returning:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/5fe0d1/craig_and_mendes_to_return_for_bond_25/

    Seems like bullshit. Sam has said he's out on numerous occasions - plus I think he's pretty bereft of ideas (this is especially obvious in Spectre). I think he's done. There is very little I feel he could contribute. I want new blood.

    Welll according to Craig, there is no conversation going on on Bond 25 ...

    That was in early October though. They could have started talks since then.

    Possibly. There is a thriller going to be made supposedly written by Wade, Purvis and Knight - think it's already been mentioned on this thread - so possibly that could have been from that original treatment that was thrown out - who knows.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    Going on from my last post, great article form Forbes who suggest Casino Royale is the template for hollywood to follow when making a reboot of anything http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/11/17/what-casino-royale-can-teach-hollywood-about-building-a-better-reboot/#58fd013a32b1
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