No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Have Blofeld kill Madelaine in the first 20 minutes of Bond 25 after we see them happy together and then make it a revenge movie and do a Garden of Death surreal type sequence.

    BUT, regardless of whether thse are official, I think he's probably done.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Truly we don't know. That's does remind me though of BB's rumored(?) remark about B25 proceeding with or without.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Hi Folks,

    I rarely comment on this site, but read it religiously every day, several times a day. I respect the opinions of all, but, I think we can all agree, Daniel Craig took this character, turned it on its head, and made the franchise better for it.

    Although I enjoy SPECTRE, I do believe it failed as a complete film. I lay that at the feet, unfortunately, of Sam Mendes.

    I believe the director had all good intentions, however, he seemed to indicate something sweeping and romantic, from the trailers (that re-called Barry's OHMSS theme), to the love ballad that Sam Smith sang.

    He didn't give us this, and, I think, the audiences from around the world were waiting for this, and easily something Daniel Craig could have delivered.

    Saying all of this, I just re-watched SPECTRE on Blu-Ray last night and I found much to love, much to play with (as a continued story line), but especially, looking at Craig, his superiority within the role. He is that good. It's almost unfair to think any other actor could take over at this point. They can't. They will fail. It's sickening to have anyone else play the part. He is the blunt instrument that Fleming wrote about; in SPECTRE, he hunts down Scalia, relentlessly, in the PTS, to his defiance of M, to his seduction of Scalia's widow, to the man who faces ofF against Blofeld and admitted, "I came here to kill you".

    Daniel Craig sincerely owns this role. He's brilliant.

    Where can Bond 25 go from here? Many places. As a published writer, and a produced screenwriter, I have many ideas. I will not post them, since they're mine (rubbing palms together gleefully), but rest assured, any screenwriter worth his or her salt will not be backed into a corner by SPECTRE, and can continue a great story of 007 (Craig) taking on Blofeld (Waltz), while coming up with a B-plot with Madeline that neither sees her break up with Bond, or killed, but gives us a tragic and heartbreaking end to their relationship that will be unique, original, and something the audience never would have seen. It is there, my friends. It is there.

    P
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    peter wrote: »
    Hi Folks,

    I rarely comment on this site, but read it religiously every day, several times a day. I respect the opinions of all, but, I think we can all agree, Daniel Craig took this character, turned it on its head, and made the franchise better for it.

    Although I enjoy SPECTRE, I do believe it failed as a complete film. I lay that at the feet, unfortunately, of Sam Mendes.

    I believe the director had all good intentions, however, he seemed to indicate something sweeping and romantic, from the trailers (that re-called Barry's OHMSS theme), to the love ballad that Sam Smith sang.

    He didn't give us this, and, I think, the audiences from around the world were waiting for this, and easily something Daniel Craig could have delivered.

    Saying all of this, I just re-watched SPECTRE on Blu-Ray last night and I found much to love, much to play with (as a continued story line), but especially, looking at Craig, his superiority within the role. He is that good. It's almost unfair to think any other actor could take over at this point. They can't. They will fail. It's sickening to have anyone else play the part. He is the blunt instrument that Fleming wrote about; in SPECTRE, he hunts down Scalia, relentlessly, in the PTS, to his defiance of M, to his seduction of Scalia's widow, to the man who faces ofF against Blofeld and admitted, "I came here to kill you".

    Daniel Craig sincerely owns this role. He's brilliant.

    Where can Bond 25 go from here? Many places. As a published writer, and a produced screenwriter, I have many ideas. I will not post them, since they're mine (rubbing palms together gleefully), but rest assured, any screenwriter worth his or her salt will not be backed into a corner by SPECTRE, and can continue a great story of 007 (Craig) taking on Blofeld (Waltz), while coming up with a B-plot with Madeline that neither sees her break up with Bond, or killed, but gives us a tragic and heartbreaking end to their relationship that will be unique, original, and something the audience never would have seen. It is there, my friends. It is there.

    P

    Wish you would share!

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    peter wrote: »
    Where can Bond 25 go from here? Many places. As a published writer, and a produced screenwriter, I have many ideas. I will not post them, since they're mine (rubbing palms together gleefully), but rest assured, any screenwriter worth his or her salt will not be backed into a corner by SPECTRE, and can continue a great story of 007 (Craig) taking on Blofeld (Waltz), while coming up with a B-plot with Madeline that neither sees her break up with Bond, or killed, but gives us a tragic and heartbreaking end to their relationship that will be unique, original, and something the audience never would have seen. It is there, my friends. It is there.

    P
    Therein lies the rub @peter, at least imho. Any screenwriter worth his or her salt is exactly what EON requires. I humbly recommend you put your credentials & ideas in front of them, and perhaps we can get something interesting for B25.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Of course, some may think, he is not allowed to do other stuff. Then of course. How dare he?

    He's a fine actor and he should definitely do other stuff as well. It's a long overdue.

    When it comes to Bond, I can completely understand if he wants to move on. As @chrisisall said, if he thinks he's done what he wanted with the character, then he should quit. There probably isn't much more that he can do with it creatively, and playing Bond by the numbers isn't his thing. He's been saying that from the beginning.

    If he stays, it will be for the money, and that's okay too.

    post SP there's still a major sense of incompletion in the era. Sure, Blofeld is captured and Bond is off with Madeleine, but that is a false resolution. There's no way it's going to just end there

    I think you could look at it both ways.

    He's gone from rookie to retirement, he got the girl, Blofeld is in prison. He didn't kill him because he wanted to stop killing people, and move on to peaceful and more meaningful life. To me, that's a completed story.

    On the other hand, I can understand if someone doesn't like it that way, and wants to see them going for another round. That's a perfectly legitimate way to look at it.

    I find it completely boring and a poor send-off, to be frank. Dan deserves a real conclusion, one burdened with a sense of poignancy and emotion. I like to quote Mr. and Mrs. Smith at times like this: "Happy endings are just stories that haven't finished yet."

    Bond doesn't do happy endings. Attempts at it fall flat, just like I don't think campiness should have a place in the franchise. The ending to Craig's era as Bond should connect it to the themes that've already been explored before: the last glimpses we get of his Bond should show us him still questioning his place in the world, his purpose and his identity. Maybe he's at a cross roads, with Madeleine (if she's still alive at this point) and retirement down one fork of the road, the job with both its dangers and its delights down the other. No decision of his should be easy, just like the conclusion shouldn't be easy. Having Bond gallop off into the sunset just doesn't feel true to the era we've had so far. It needs to be far deeper and troubled than that. That's why I feel that having an ending with Bond still ruminating on his life, job and identity, preparing to make one choice or the other would be far more interesting than what we got in SP. Show him thinking about life with Madeleine, or returning again to MI6, but don't show us what he decides. I'm usually not a fan of open ended conclusions, but done right I think this would be effective and sensible for the tone the films have had.

    In the SP ending there's simply no drama. There's no depth or human complications or a connection to the themes of death, endurance and relevance we've seen previously in the movies. All I saw during the last two minutes of SP was EON setting up the real final chapter, with Bond v. Blofeld, with a shot of 007 and Madeleine in the DB5 to hold us over; the calm before the storm. I would be devastatingly disappointed if Dan's time as Bond just ended there. As I said, it's an unworthy conclusion to all he has managed to do with the series thus far, and unworthy to those who've followed his films with enthusiasm from the very beginning.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Guys, I have an L.A. manager, my Al Capone script (SCARFACE: AL CAPONE) is in development, I optioned another script called THE SIEGE to Deepak Nayar, and another called JANE DOE to Jeff Sackman and Kirk Shaw; I sold a terrible horror film (it was better as a script, I promise!!), DEAD MARY, starring Dominique Swain; but, to get to the 007 people is a huge undertaking. This is their baby, and it's protected (as it should be).

    Have I tinkered with an outline that rolls up just behind SPECTRE? Yes, I have. There are ways out of it, yet not ignore what has happened before (all the while never, ever, mentioning the step-brother reference, ever again).

    I continue to massage this outline, and yes, I'd love to have my people get in touch with the big players to present this potential story to them. This may be a futile effort on my part, yet I continue and need to do this, to get it off my "writer's chest"! But I will not reveal anything until it's as perfect as I can make it. And, yes, I think one must plow the words of Ian Fleming, so my outline is based on a TMWTGG, YOLT and modern terrorism reality.

    As a side, I also wrote a 50th anniversary tribute to the franchise in my national newspaper. You can read it here:

    http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/peter-sheldrick-why-james-bond-remains-the-worlds-favourite-secret-agent

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    I heard somewhere on here a source stated Daniel returning depends on the script & who is directing,
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 2,599
    "Craig is adamant it will have to be a strong script that further develops the character, not just a bankrolling epilogue."

    It will have to damn well be a strong, character driven script, especially after the weak Spectre. It still bothers me too how Spectre were behind the Silva plot. I digress however. Even if they do come up with something great on paper (or at least say they have something great written), it doesn't mean that the final product we end up seeing on screen will be any good.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Bounine wrote: »
    "Craig is adamant it will have to be a strong script that further develops the character, not just a bankrolling epilogue."

    It will have to damn well be a strong, character driven script, especially after the weak Spectre. It still bothers me too how Spectre were behind the Silva plot. I digress however. Even if they do come up with something great on paper (or at least say they have something great written), it doesn't mean that the final product we end up seeing on screen will be any good.

    I like to see it that SPECTRE simply helped Silva along, providing logistics to his maddening plan. I'm very much in the same boat as you, though. I kind of wish SF's plot was left unconnected in any fashion to the organization and left as Dan's one-off, a la Sean and GF. But, I must digress as well.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 2,115
    Walecs wrote: »

    "According to The Sun and other newspapers, the 47-year-old is quitting the franchise after signing up for a US TV series.


    =))

    The Sun? The same newspaper which back in 2013 reported that Bond 24 would be titled "Devil May Care"?

    :))

    Just to be clear, that was a quote from the BBC summarizing what was reported this weekend, not an endorsement by me of their content.
  • Posts: 4,325
    Okay to me this is the bottom line. If Craig likes the storyoutline/scripts that EON come up with and/or choice of director he's back. If not then he's not. Which is consistent with the way he's approached the role from day one. He was quite reluctant to sign on for Casino Royale unless he knew it would be a quality film and could have his hand in it.

    It's strange, I feel that only a few weeks ago he was supposed to be making 2 Bond films back to back. You gotta love tabloid journalism.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 4,615
    We are in a catch 22, if a new script is produced (or a few) for DC to continue with the SP plot (that includes MS etc) and DC does not like them and walks away, can we really have a new actor playing against MS etc ? surely a new actor needs a whole new plot/storyline?
    so then a whole new script has to be produced?
    If EON dont want to risk that situation, they could just go for a whole new storyline and offer it to DC , in which case, if he takes t, its fair enough for punters to ask about what happened to MS,
    the pure logic is that if you are going to produce a script that really begs being carried over into a second movie, you really need to line up your leading actor so he is committed (legally and emotionally) to keep going.
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    patb wrote: »
    We are in a catch 22, if a new script is produced (or a few) for DC to continue with the SP plot (that includes MS etc) and DC does not like them and walks away, can we really have a new actor playing against MS etc ? surely a new actor needs a whole new plot/storyline?
    so then a whole new script has to be produced?

    Well, originally Blofeld was going to be an African warlord in Spectre, so maybe they can churn a few out ...
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    patb wrote: »
    We are in a catch 22, if a new script is produced (or a few) for DC to continue with the SP plot (that includes MS etc) and DC does not like them and walks away, can we really have a new actor playing against MS etc ? surely a new actor needs a whole new plot/storyline?
    so then a whole new script has to be produced?
    Well, that was kind of the case during the transition from Dalton to Brosnan. I mean, when I was reading Michael France's draft of GoldenEye, it was totally utterly different from what we've had with the film, which was totally rewritten with Brosnan in mind. So, I figure that would be the case. The story has to be adjusted to the actor.
  • Posts: 4,325
    patb wrote: »
    We are in a catch 22, if a new script is produced (or a few) for DC to continue with the SP plot (that includes MS etc) and DC does not like them and walks away, can we really have a new actor playing against MS etc ? surely a new actor needs a whole new plot/storyline?
    so then a whole new script has to be produced?
    Well, that was kind of the case during the transition from Dalton to Brosnan. I mean, when I was reading Michael France's draft of GoldenEye, it was totally utterly different from what we've had with the film, which was totally rewritten with Brosnan in mind. So, I figure that would be the case. The story has to be adjusted to the actor.

    Exactly this. That script originally had Pushkin returning.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    We are in a catch 22, if a new script is produced (or a few) for DC to continue with the SP plot (that includes MS etc) and DC does not like them and walks away, can we really have a new actor playing against MS etc ? surely a new actor needs a whole new plot/storyline?
    so then a whole new script has to be produced?
    Well, that was kind of the case during the transition from Dalton to Brosnan. I mean, when I was reading Michael France's draft of GoldenEye, it was totally utterly different from what we've had with the film, which was totally rewritten with Brosnan in mind. So, I figure that would be the case. The story has to be adjusted to the actor.

    Exactly this. That script originally had Pushkin returning.
    Indeed. As well as Robert Brown's M, replacing Moneypenny with Loelia Ponsonby, too, if I remember correctly.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Walecs wrote: »

    "According to The Sun and other newspapers, the 47-year-old is quitting the franchise after signing up for a US TV series.


    =))

    The Sun? The same newspaper which back in 2013 reported that Bond 24 would be titled "Devil May Care"?

    :))

    Just to be clear, that was a quote from the BBC summarizing what was reported this weekend, not an endorsement by me of their content.

    Don't worry, I know that ;) I was making fun of BBC.
  • Posts: 4,325
    I suspect Mendes isn't coming back though. After Skyfall there was a big will he won't he thing going on which is totally absent this time.
  • peter wrote: »
    Hi Folks,

    I rarely comment on this site, but read it religiously every day, several times a day. I respect the opinions of all, but, I think we can all agree, Daniel Craig took this character, turned it on its head, and made the franchise better for it.

    Although I enjoy SPECTRE, I do believe it failed as a complete film. I lay that at the feet, unfortunately, of Sam Mendes.

    I believe the director had all good intentions, however, he seemed to indicate something sweeping and romantic, from the trailers (that re-called Barry's OHMSS theme), to the love ballad that Sam Smith sang.

    He didn't give us this, and, I think, the audiences from around the world were waiting for this, and easily something Daniel Craig could have delivered.

    Saying all of this, I just re-watched SPECTRE on Blu-Ray last night and I found much to love, much to play with (as a continued story line), but especially, looking at Craig, his superiority within the role. He is that good. It's almost unfair to think any other actor could take over at this point. They can't. They will fail. It's sickening to have anyone else play the part. He is the blunt instrument that Fleming wrote about; in SPECTRE, he hunts down Scalia, relentlessly, in the PTS, to his defiance of M, to his seduction of Scalia's widow, to the man who faces ofF against Blofeld and admitted, "I came here to kill you".

    Daniel Craig sincerely owns this role. He's brilliant.

    Where can Bond 25 go from here? Many places. As a published writer, and a produced screenwriter, I have many ideas. I will not post them, since they're mine (rubbing palms together gleefully), but rest assured, any screenwriter worth his or her salt will not be backed into a corner by SPECTRE, and can continue a great story of 007 (Craig) taking on Blofeld (Waltz), while coming up with a B-plot with Madeline that neither sees her break up with Bond, or killed, but gives us a tragic and heartbreaking end to their relationship that will be unique, original, and something the audience never would have seen. It is there, my friends. It is there.

    P
    I like your post and I am very intrigued by your ideas, I wish to know more about your Madeleine story-line ...
    :\">
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    I believe Craig will return but interestingly enough I feel I am seeing the same argument on three different forums about three topics but it's the same argument...

    I firmly will not judge Bond 25 (or the new Macgyver show or any new Yes project) Untill at the very least I see a poster pic (or hear a song) for me I will travel the road to the next project with joy and excitement as remember and Fleming once wrote "it is better to travel hopeful the. It is to arrive"
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    peter wrote: »
    Hi Folks,

    I rarely comment on this site, but read it religiously every day, several times a day. I respect the opinions of all, but, I think we can all agree, Daniel Craig took this character, turned it on its head, and made the franchise better for it.

    Although I enjoy SPECTRE, I do believe it failed as a complete film. I lay that at the feet, unfortunately, of Sam Mendes.

    I believe the director had all good intentions, however, he seemed to indicate something sweeping and romantic, from the trailers (that re-called Barry's OHMSS theme), to the love ballad that Sam Smith sang.

    He didn't give us this, and, I think, the audiences from around the world were waiting for this, and easily something Daniel Craig could have delivered.

    Saying all of this, I just re-watched SPECTRE on Blu-Ray last night and I found much to love, much to play with (as a continued story line), but especially, looking at Craig, his superiority within the role. He is that good. It's almost unfair to think any other actor could take over at this point. They can't. They will fail. It's sickening to have anyone else play the part. He is the blunt instrument that Fleming wrote about; in SPECTRE, he hunts down Scalia, relentlessly, in the PTS, to his defiance of M, to his seduction of Scalia's widow, to the man who faces ofF against Blofeld and admitted, "I came here to kill you".

    Daniel Craig sincerely owns this role. He's brilliant.

    Where can Bond 25 go from here? Many places. As a published writer, and a produced screenwriter, I have many ideas. I will not post them, since they're mine (rubbing palms together gleefully), but rest assured, any screenwriter worth his or her salt will not be backed into a corner by SPECTRE, and can continue a great story of 007 (Craig) taking on Blofeld (Waltz), while coming up with a B-plot with Madeline that neither sees her break up with Bond, or killed, but gives us a tragic and heartbreaking end to their relationship that will be unique, original, and something the audience never would have seen. It is there, my friends. It is there.

    P
    I like your post and I am very intrigued by your ideas, I wish to know more about your Madeleine story-line ...
    :\">
    It clearly involves pregnancy, as a published writer I can tell you that much.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Risico007 wrote: »
    .....for me I will travel the road to the next project with joy and excitement as remember and Fleming once wrote "it is better to travel hopeful the. It is to arrive"
    "The very words I live by".
  • Posts: 1,661
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Bond doesn't do happy endings. Attempts at it fall flat,

    Er... Bond does save the world, defeats the good guy, stops the villain's evil plan, rescues the girl in virtually every Bond film. Kinda feels like a happy ending to me! Not sure you're correct there.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 1,596
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Bond doesn't do happy endings. Attempts at it fall flat,

    Er... Bond does save the world, defeats the good guy, stops the villain's evil plan, rescues the girl in virtually every Bond film. Kinda feels like a happy ending to me! Not sure you're correct there.

    Yeah I know what he's getting at, but I'd say there's a happy ending in about 20 of the 24 movies, at least. The romance of it is part of what I love about on-screen Bond.
  • fanbond123 wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Bond doesn't do happy endings. Attempts at it fall flat,

    Er... Bond does save the world, defeats the good guy, stops the villain's evil plan, rescues the girl in virtually every Bond film. Kinda feels like a happy ending to me! Not sure you're correct there.

    Indeed. Hell, I'd even say that QoS' ending was somewhat happy, despite the film being the gloomiest in all of Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think the cringe worthiness of the DAD & TWINE finales (with Dr. Jones & Jinx respectively) killed the traditional ending. Pity because I used to enjoy those.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think the cringe worthiness of the DAD & TWINE finales (with Dr. Jones & Jinx respectively) killed the traditional ending. Pity because I used to enjoy those.

    The TWINE ending feels like they were trying to do a TSWLM/MR type ending.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think the cringe worthiness of the DAD & TWINE finales (with Dr. Jones & Jinx respectively) killed the traditional ending. Pity because I used to enjoy those.

    The TWINE ending feels like they were trying to do a TSWLM/MR type ending.
    Totally agree, but that's Roger Moore's area of expertise and only he could pull that kind of thing off without it appearing groan worthy, imho.
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Of course, some may think, he is not allowed to do other stuff. Then of course. How dare he?

    He's a fine actor and he should definitely do other stuff as well. It's a long overdue.

    When it comes to Bond, I can completely understand if he wants to move on. As @chrisisall said, if he thinks he's done what he wanted with the character, then he should quit. There probably isn't much more that he can do with it creatively, and playing Bond by the numbers isn't his thing. He's been saying that from the beginning.

    If he stays, it will be for the money, and that's okay too.

    post SP there's still a major sense of incompletion in the era. Sure, Blofeld is captured and Bond is off with Madeleine, but that is a false resolution. There's no way it's going to just end there

    I think you could look at it both ways.

    He's gone from rookie to retirement, he got the girl, Blofeld is in prison. He didn't kill him because he wanted to stop killing people, and move on to peaceful and more meaningful life. To me, that's a completed story.

    On the other hand, I can understand if someone doesn't like it that way, and wants to see them going for another round. That's a perfectly legitimate way to look at it.

    I find it completely boring and a poor send-off, to be frank. Dan deserves a real conclusion, one burdened with a sense of poignancy and emotion. I like to quote Mr. and Mrs. Smith at times like this: "Happy endings are just stories that haven't finished yet."

    Bond doesn't do happy endings. Attempts at it fall flat, just like I don't think campiness should have a place in the franchise. The ending to Craig's era as Bond should connect it to the themes that've already been explored before: the last glimpses we get of his Bond should show us him still questioning his place in the world, his purpose and his identity. Maybe he's at a cross roads, with Madeleine (if she's still alive at this point) and retirement down one fork of the road, the job with both its dangers and its delights down the other. No decision of his should be easy, just like the conclusion shouldn't be easy. Having Bond gallop off into the sunset just doesn't feel true to the era we've had so far. It needs to be far deeper and troubled than that. That's why I feel that having an ending with Bond still ruminating on his life, job and identity, preparing to make one choice or the other would be far more interesting than what we got in SP. Show him thinking about life with Madeleine, or returning again to MI6, but don't show us what he decides. I'm usually not a fan of open ended conclusions, but done right I think this would be effective and sensible for the tone the films have had.

    In the SP ending there's simply no drama. There's no depth or human complications or a connection to the themes of death, endurance and relevance we've seen previously in the movies. All I saw during the last two minutes of SP was EON setting up the real final chapter, with Bond v. Blofeld, with a shot of 007 and Madeleine in the DB5 to hold us over; the calm before the storm. I would be devastatingly disappointed if Dan's time as Bond just ended there. As I said, it's an unworthy conclusion to all he has managed to do with the series thus far, and unworthy to those who've followed his films with enthusiasm from the very beginning.

    I completely agree. I love that we got at least 4 films from Craig but this SP ending is no ending. He needs anther go at Blofeld and some gritty, hard to watch send off, because that's the Bond he's been. Hard choices for a hard man. Anything less is unworthy.
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