No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Of course Craig is still Bond. He isn t a former Bond, is he?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    From a fan's perspective yes Craig is.
  • RC7RC7
    edited February 2016 Posts: 10,512
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    From a fan's perspective yes Craig is.

    Until he either leaves, or is replaced, DC is James Bond.
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    Ageed, DC is still Bond. Mind you, Dalton was still saying that right up to preproduction on GE (exhales heavy sigh!)
    I certainly go along with Cuaron as Director, and Paul Haggis as screenwriter, and maybe get some of the CR magic back!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Technically no one is Bond....

    Good of you to point out that Bond's a fictional character as I'd been taken in by Pearson's biography all these years and thought he was still taking it easy in Bermuda.
  • Cuaron could direct a Toyota commercial and I'd be bursting with excitement. If he directed a Bond movie, my brain might actually explode.
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    Germanlady wrote: »

    That is exactly my thoughts too!
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Mrcoggins wrote: »
    The Aston in Glasgow is on a promo tour to help with the upcoming launch of Spectre on DVD and BluRay the auction itself is in London tomorrow evening at Christie's in King St
    I will let you know how much it went for when I get back !.

    Be the highest bidder, @Mrcoggins, then you can let all of MI6's members borrow it for a week each. We should do it alphabetically by username so that I get a chance to go behind wheel before @Creasy47 wrecks it. He already has a history of destroying the Lotus, the DB5 and the Vantage, all driven straight into trees, posts, buildings and rivers. And, I had to be in the damn back seat while all this way going on.

    Well I very nearly bought the DB 10 this evening by which I mean that in the end it went to the chap sitting four seats to my right a great round of bidding took us to the point where the hammer went down at a respectable £ 2.1 million needless to say my hand stopped going up well before that a great evening was had and a good amount of money was raised for very worthy causes .
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Does anyone know how bad Craig's injury was during the filming of SP? I wonder if it was worse than has been let on.

    I noticed that he wasn't shown actually running in many of the scenes in the film (except for a little bit at the end in the MI6 building). In fact, I'm quite certain it was a CGI head insertion during the Mexico crowd scene when he is briefly shown running through the crowds. Sciarra definitely runs, but Craig (or a double) is shown from behind much of the time and when it's his face in focus, he's walking, which is strange given it's a chase scene.

    Moreover, I always wondered why the fight scenes (outside of the Hinx encounter where the injury actually occured) are so incredibly dull - for example at the SPECTRE meeting (with the bodyguard), in the Clinic after Madeline is taken, just outside the clinic, and outside the MI6 building. Perhaps he had a mobility problem?

    Bottom line - I have a go at SP's dull action - but I wonder if Craig's injury impacted what they did and how they did it in this film.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited February 2016 Posts: 10,592
    bondjames wrote: »
    Does anyone know how bad Craig's injury was during the filming of SP? I wonder if it was worse than has been let on.

    I noticed that he wasn't shown actually running in many of the scenes in the film (except for a little bit at the end in the MI6 building). In fact, I'm quite certain it was a CGI head insertion during the Mexico crowd scene when he is briefly shown running through the crowds. Sciarra definitely runs, but Craig (or a double) is shown from behind much of the time and when it's his face in focus, he's walking, which is strange given it's a chase scene.

    Moreover, I always wondered why the fight scenes (outside of the Hinx encounter where the injury actually occured) are so incredibly dull - for example at the SPECTRE meeting (with the bodyguard), in the Clinic after Madeline is taken, just outside the clinic, and outside the MI6 building. Perhaps he had a mobility problem?

    Bottom line - I have a go at SP's dull action - but I wonder if Craig's injury impacted what they did and how they did it in this film.

    One thing is for sure, Craig couldn't run during the Mexico City shoot. Mendes has stated so in an interview, where he talks about how Craig's inability to run changed the logistics of certain scenes. The example he gives is the scene where Bond and Sciarra make their way through the section of the crowd with the dancers. The scene originally required him to run, so Mendes had to improvise and managed to hire real Mexican cops to line the streets, so that it made sense for Bond and Sciarra to walk, rather than run. I presume the train fight was shot after Craig's knee surgery.

    As for the scenes that you mentioned, none of those situations required Bond to participate in extensive hand to hand combat, other than the train fight which was handled quite nicely. So I don't see a reason to complain.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    jake24 wrote: »
    One thing is for sure, Craig couldn't run during the Mexico City shoot. Mendes has stated so in an interview, where he talks about how Craig's inability to run changed the logistics of certain scenes. The example he gives is the scene where Bond and Sciarra make their way through the section of the crowd with the dancers. The scene originally required him to run, so Mendes had to improvise and managed to hire real Mexican cops to line the streets, so that it made sense for Bond and Sciarra to walk, rather than run. I presume the train fight was shot after Craig's knee surgery.
    Thanks. So I was right then. I noticed something off about this scene. My understanding is that the train fight is where the injury took place. I also am of the understanding that he is having knee surgery this year (I didn't think he did it during filming).
    jake24 wrote: »
    As for the scenes that you mentioned, none of those situations required Bond to participate in extensive hand to hand combat, other than the train fight which was handled quite nicely. So I don't see a reason to complain.
    I would have preferred actual fights, rather than just overpowering restraints, throwing bodyguards off rails and taking out assailants in a flash - all without actually bending his knees at any point I noticed. I'm pretty sure the inury impacted those scenes as well, because they have never shown fights like that in a Bond film before... at least not that I can recall.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited February 2016 Posts: 10,592
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    One thing is for sure, Craig couldn't run during the Mexico City shoot. Mendes has stated so in an interview, where he talks about how Craig's inability to run changed the logistics of certain scenes. The example he gives is the scene where Bond and Sciarra make their way through the section of the crowd with the dancers. The scene originally required him to run, so Mendes had to improvise and managed to hire real Mexican cops to line the streets, so that it made sense for Bond and Sciarra to walk, rather than run. I presume the train fight was shot after Craig's knee surgery.
    Thanks. So I was right then. I noticed something off about this scene.
    jake24 wrote: »
    As for the scenes that you mentioned, none of those situations required Bond to participate in extensive hand to hand combat, other than the train fight which was handled quite nicely. So I don't see a reason to complain.
    I would have preferred actual fights, rather than just overpowering restraints, throwing bodyguards off rails and taking out assailants in a flash - all without actually bending his knees at any point I noticed. I'm pretty sure the inury impacted those scenes as well, because they have never shown fights like that in a Bond film before... at least not that I can recall.
    After Blofeld addresses Bond towards the end of the Spectre meeting, Bond's first instinct was to escape, not to engage in physical combat with someone. So the way I see it, that single punch followed by the toss over the railing was simply a means to escape. The same goes for the brief fight at the Hoffler Klinik. Bond saw Madeleine being kidnapped, so his primary instinct was to find and rescue her.
    Whereas for the Bond-Hinx fight, his motive was strictly to kill Hinx, because Bond had nowhere else to go, in addition to the fact that this is the third time Hinx pursued Bond, and unless he killed him, Bond knew Hinx would keep coming back.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    One thing is for sure, Craig couldn't run during the Mexico City shoot. Mendes has stated so in an interview, where he talks about how Craig's inability to run changed the logistics of certain scenes. The example he gives is the scene where Bond and Sciarra make their way through the section of the crowd with the dancers. The scene originally required him to run, so Mendes had to improvise and managed to hire real Mexican cops to line the streets, so that it made sense for Bond and Sciarra to walk, rather than run. I presume the train fight was shot after Craig's knee surgery.
    Thanks. So I was right then. I noticed something off about this scene.
    jake24 wrote: »
    As for the scenes that you mentioned, none of those situations required Bond to participate in extensive hand to hand combat, other than the train fight which was handled quite nicely. So I don't see a reason to complain.
    I would have preferred actual fights, rather than just overpowering restraints, throwing bodyguards off rails and taking out assailants in a flash - all without actually bending his knees at any point I noticed. I'm pretty sure the inury impacted those scenes as well, because they have never shown fights like that in a Bond film before... at least not that I can recall.
    After Blofeld addresses Bond towards the end of the Spectre meeting, Bond's first instinct was to escape, not to engage in physical combat with someone. So the way I see it, that single punch followed by the toss over the railing was simply a means to escape. The same goes for the brief fight at the Hoffler Klinik. Bond saw Madeleine being kidnapped, so his primary instinct was to find and rescue her.
    Whereas for the Bond-Hinx fight, his motive was strictly to kill Hinx, because Bond had nowhere else to go, in addition to the fact that this is the third time Hinx pursued Bond, and unless he killed him, Bond knew Hinx would keep coming back.
    Fair and reasonable points.

    Obviously I have no evidence, but I have a gut feeling that they were protecting their asset, and maybe on doctor's orders. I know he got the injury during the Hinx fight, so that is why that one is physical (it predated the injury). I'm not sure when the other sequences were filmed (e.g. whether it was done sequentially or whether they were filmed after the Hinx fight).
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    One thing is for sure, Craig couldn't run during the Mexico City shoot. Mendes has stated so in an interview, where he talks about how Craig's inability to run changed the logistics of certain scenes. The example he gives is the scene where Bond and Sciarra make their way through the section of the crowd with the dancers. The scene originally required him to run, so Mendes had to improvise and managed to hire real Mexican cops to line the streets, so that it made sense for Bond and Sciarra to walk, rather than run. I presume the train fight was shot after Craig's knee surgery.
    Thanks. So I was right then. I noticed something off about this scene.
    jake24 wrote: »
    As for the scenes that you mentioned, none of those situations required Bond to participate in extensive hand to hand combat, other than the train fight which was handled quite nicely. So I don't see a reason to complain.
    I would have preferred actual fights, rather than just overpowering restraints, throwing bodyguards off rails and taking out assailants in a flash - all without actually bending his knees at any point I noticed. I'm pretty sure the inury impacted those scenes as well, because they have never shown fights like that in a Bond film before... at least not that I can recall.
    After Blofeld addresses Bond towards the end of the Spectre meeting, Bond's first instinct was to escape, not to engage in physical combat with someone. So the way I see it, that single punch followed by the toss over the railing was simply a means to escape. The same goes for the brief fight at the Hoffler Klinik. Bond saw Madeleine being kidnapped, so his primary instinct was to find and rescue her.
    Whereas for the Bond-Hinx fight, his motive was strictly to kill Hinx, because Bond had nowhere else to go, in addition to the fact that this is the third time Hinx pursued Bond, and unless he killed him, Bond knew Hinx would keep coming back.
    Fair and reasonable points.

    Obviously I have no evidence, but I have a gut feeling that they were protecting their asset, and maybe on doctor's orders. I know he got the injury during the Hinx fight, so that is why that one is physical (it predated the injury). I'm not sure when the other sequences were filmed (e.g. whether it was done sequentially or whether they were filmed after the Hinx fight).
    I wasn't aware that Dan got his injury during the train fight; I remember hearing about it first while they were shooting in Austria. The thing I know for sure is that The PTS was shot in march, and Craig's surgery was in April.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    One thing is for sure, Craig couldn't run during the Mexico City shoot. Mendes has stated so in an interview, where he talks about how Craig's inability to run changed the logistics of certain scenes. The example he gives is the scene where Bond and Sciarra make their way through the section of the crowd with the dancers. The scene originally required him to run, so Mendes had to improvise and managed to hire real Mexican cops to line the streets, so that it made sense for Bond and Sciarra to walk, rather than run. I presume the train fight was shot after Craig's knee surgery.
    Thanks. So I was right then. I noticed something off about this scene.
    jake24 wrote: »
    As for the scenes that you mentioned, none of those situations required Bond to participate in extensive hand to hand combat, other than the train fight which was handled quite nicely. So I don't see a reason to complain.
    I would have preferred actual fights, rather than just overpowering restraints, throwing bodyguards off rails and taking out assailants in a flash - all without actually bending his knees at any point I noticed. I'm pretty sure the inury impacted those scenes as well, because they have never shown fights like that in a Bond film before... at least not that I can recall.
    After Blofeld addresses Bond towards the end of the Spectre meeting, Bond's first instinct was to escape, not to engage in physical combat with someone. So the way I see it, that single punch followed by the toss over the railing was simply a means to escape. The same goes for the brief fight at the Hoffler Klinik. Bond saw Madeleine being kidnapped, so his primary instinct was to find and rescue her.
    Whereas for the Bond-Hinx fight, his motive was strictly to kill Hinx, because Bond had nowhere else to go, in addition to the fact that this is the third time Hinx pursued Bond, and unless he killed him, Bond knew Hinx would keep coming back.
    Fair and reasonable points.

    Obviously I have no evidence, but I have a gut feeling that they were protecting their asset, and maybe on doctor's orders. I know he got the injury during the Hinx fight, so that is why that one is physical (it predated the injury). I'm not sure when the other sequences were filmed (e.g. whether it was done sequentially or whether they were filmed after the Hinx fight).
    I wasn't aware that Dan got his injury during the train fight; I remember hearing about it first while they were shooting in Austria. The thing I know for sure is that The PTS was shot in march, and Craig's surgery was in April.
    Ok, maybe I am mistaken then. I'm pretty sure he himself said he got it during that fight with Hinx. I'll see if I can dig up where I read that. He mentioned on Charlie Rose that he was going to have surgery on the knee in 2016.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 2,015
    Which is one thing that does bother me occasionally - Craig is such an excellent, excellent actor that I hate when the filmmakers disrespect the audience's intelligence and spell out his inner thoughts (and subsequently the themes of the films) via some pretty clumsy dialogue sequences.

    Yes. Sometimes I think that if Mendes had done Casino Royale, we would have had Bond saying lines to himself (like in the Rome chase in SPECTRE) when he realizes that Vesper has betrayed him, or when he hears the sound of the terrorist blowing himself, etc...

    I wonder if Mendes approached the Bond movies with the "well, we have to explain everything to this blockbuster audience" attitude. Come on, "Sometimes old ways are the best" said twice in the same movie !
    RC7 wrote: »
    Someone needs to bring a concept to the table that is exciting and that can be the focal point of the screenwriting and pre-production process.

    Well, it seems "Bond's last mission" was the hook of SPECTRE for the producers. In the leaks we can read they find this very exciting. Now we can see it was totally lost in the end (Blofeld survives in the movie, Bond killed him in some of the last scripts, Blofeld's last word is "Brother !"). And now on the contrary SPECTRE feels to many like Part 1 of some Bond/Blofeld two movies story, while IMO at the same this Bond/Blofeld relationship is in some dead end in the Mendes universe.

    As for the knee injury, it seems it happened during the end of January (we can use Lea Seydoux's "prisoner time" as a reference, and it was the beginning of February), and well we can see that they had to use CG (face replacement etc) to have a running Bond in some of the PTS plans, which was a month later, before the surgery to help his knee. Also, although some doubt it (but some other don't), we had in the leaks thread some posts saying that action scenes would have to deal the problem with the running because of the injury. It was from a member who claimed he was told this by Mendes himself. It turns out he was right, or that he was very lucky in his fabrication.
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    I wish Mendes had directed QOS.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I like Mendes just fine as a director. I'd be happy with Cuaron; he is excellent. I'd still be happy with Nolan (I hope that happens at some point).

    Yes, the knee injury was earlier; I think in Austria. Of course it impacted scenes. They did well overall dealing with this.

    Yes we need an exciting focal point for the story. At no time did I think they would introduce Blofeld and kill him off in the same film. Why on earth do that? They just got the rights back. Make it a good story, at least 2 films with that character; Bond's arch nemesis. That makes sense from a business standpoint, but also for me as a fan. I want to see Blofeld in more than one Bond film.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 6,601
    The injury DID happen during the train fight, when he asked Bautista to throw him against the wall more vigurously.

    In Mexico it was a double running.

    He did have surgery (2 weeks off) with another scheduled this year (dunno if that has happened yet.)
    Guess they did what needed to be done to be able to finish the movie (on his request) and later do, what is needed to get it back to normal shape.
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I wish Mendes had directed QOS.

    Though I like both the Mendes Bond films, I have to strongly disagree. Marc Forster brought a unique and under-appreciated direction to the series with that outing. I also really liked some of his other work I must add.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    The injury DID happen during the train fight, when he asked Bautista to throw him against the wall more vigurously.

    In Mexico it was a double running.

    He did have surgery (2 weeks off) with another scheduled this year (dunno if that has happened yet.)
    Guess they did what needed to be done to be able to finish the movie (on his request) and later do, what is needed to get it back to normal shape.
    Thanks @Germanlady. That is what I thought. It was quite apparent to me on my recent rewatch of SP that they had to make quite a few compromises on the action front due to DC's injury.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I wish Mendes had directed QOS.

    Though I like both the Mendes Bond films, I have to strongly disagree. Marc Forster brought a unique and under-appreciated direction to the series with that outing. I also really liked some of his other work I must add.

    Agreed actually in a perfect world I would of Preffered Forester directing Bond 24 I wonder if then we wouldn't of had Blofeld and Spectre thrown in I don't mind the creation of Franz Oberhauser and bond's arch nemesis being his brother I just feel Spectre and Blofeld were used just for the sake of being used without and real rhyme or reason (much like honestly Diamonds Are Forever)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I wish Mendes had directed QOS.

    F*** no.

  • If Daniel Craig returns as Bond, I don’t care if Brett Ratner directs Bond 25.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    *Sighs* reason being abandoned for madness I see.

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    If Daniel Craig returns as Bond, I don’t care if Brett Ratner directs Bond 25.

    Hey Ratner isn't that bad X-men 3 is a decent film (apart from Halle Berry's nonsense)...


    but yeah for me I hate the quiet periods those few months in between the release of a bond film and the beginning of preproduction on a new one..

    I still maintain there is enough dramatic material within Fleming to entice Craig back for 2 more films.. the question really is what will the writers and directors bring and will that be enough to entice Craig?

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    If Mendes had directed QoS there inevitably would have been more exploration of the childhood trauma suffered by Camille at the hands of Medrano and no doubt Elvis would have had some kind of jealousy issues with Greene due to his relationship with Camille. Mathis would have been revealed to have secretly been in love with Vesper... etc. etc.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    James Bond bosses try another day to keep actor Daniel Craig

    The actor’s future as James Bond was thrown into fresh doubt this week when it emerged he has signed to star in upcoming new US TV series Purity.

    But Bond franchise bosses are so desperate to keep him in the famous tuxedo that they are willing to delay the next movie so he can film the show first.

    MGM Studios, which produces the Bond flicks, told Daniel it will push back the next movie to 2018 if necessary.

    A source said: “Daniel leaving the franchise at this moment is something MGM cannot stomach.

    “He is a major draw and a key player in terms of raising money for the films. As Bond he has brought in $2billion.

    “Daniel has not told anyone yet if he will return definitively.

    “They know he wants to do Purity and had hoped to get the new film in cinemas next year, but they have vowed to push it back a year to help make his schedule easier.”

    Daniel is expected to start shooting the 20-part telly series later this year, while pre-production on Bond is due to begin in the next few weeks.
  • RC7RC7
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    bondjames wrote: »
    If Mendes had directed QoS there inevitably would have been more exploration of the childhood trauma suffered by Camille at the hands of Medrano and no doubt Elvis would have had some kind of jealousy issues with Greene due to his relationship with Camille. Mathis would have been revealed to have secretly been in love with Vesper... etc. etc.

    He'd have pushed for the Vesper-Child angle.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    bondjames wrote: »
    It was quite apparent to me on my recent rewatch of SP that they had to make quite a few compromises on the action front due to DC's injury.

    And what was their excuse for the mediocre car and plane sequences when he was sitting down?
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