No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    We don't truly know. ..and yes we've been fed false info before.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I loved the Clive Owen era................remember when that was a sure thing?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I loved the Clive Owen era................remember when that was a sure thing?

    Sure thing wrong price.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @talos, I would have died a little if Owen became Bond. That would be like having Timothy Dalton all over again, without the talent.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Agreed. He's a block of wood to me.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I think it was here; there was a person who went by Luds. It was promised, following a long build-up, that the announcement of Owen being the next Bond was coming "tomorrow". It never came.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @talos7, thank god, we dodged a bullet worthy of James Brolin!!
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I'm a bit neutral on Owen; that itself may say a lot. I use his once impending ascension to the role as an example of the ever present rumor mill often fueled by someone who claims to have inside information.
  • Posts: 16,169
    Of the names tossed around at that time: Goran Visnjiic, Julian McMahon, Hugh Jackman, Alex O'Loughlin, etc Clive Owen would have been my choice out of that bunch easily.
    However, I was thrilled when Daniel got it.
  • Posts: 1,680
    Owen was considered, he has too much of the look.

    I still think Babs is eyeing Jack O connel for the role, he hasnt hit mianstream yet & is still an unknown.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited January 2017 Posts: 11,139
    I don't know better? Yet you believe Naomie Harris?

    I didn't say anything about me believing Harris. I've only commented on the reddit post which I'm not naive to believe.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Clive Owen was all a media hype. He was never offered the role. He stated that many times.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I don't know better? Yet you believe Naomie Harris?

    I didn't say anything about me believing Harris. I've only commented on the reddit post which I'm not naive to believe.

    I take it you believe fluff put out by actors, then?

  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Britain ruled by Nazis - what would Bond do? 007 writers Purvis and Wade take on Len Deighton in SS-GB
    telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/britain-ruled-nazis-would-bond-do-007-writers-purvis-wade/

    The thing is,” Neal Purvis frowns, “I’m just not sure how you would go about writing a James Bond film now.” He looks at Robert Wade, sitting on the adjacent side of the table, who scratches his head with congruous bemusement. This is, frankly, not encouraging. As the co-writers of every Bond film since The World is Not Enough in 1999, you’d hope if anyone could predict 007’s next move, it would be these two.

    But today, in a chilly conference room in the West End of London, while flurries of grey snow whirl past the dust-streaked window, Purvis and Wade are prepared to admit temporary defeat. The real world has out-Bonded them. Russian subterfuge has sunk the West in tumult. Britain’s global standing is poised on the edge of a Brexity blade. An ex-MI6 agent has gone to ground following a mission involving a gold-guzzling, grudge-grinding plutocrat. Ian Fleming clearly saw 2017 coming.

    “Each time, you’ve got to say something about Bond’s place in the world, which is Britain’s place in the world,” continues Purvis. “But things are moving so quickly now, that becomes tricky. With people like Trump, the Bond villain has become a reality. So when they do another one, it will be interesting to see how they deal with the fact that the world has become a fantasy.”

    Throughout our conversation, Purvis and Wade both refer to Eon Productions, a.k.a. Bond Mission Control, as "they", despite their long-running alliance with the company. The union began in the late 1990s after their script for Plunkett and Macleane, a Cool Britannia-surfing highwayman caper with Jonny Lee Miller and Robert Carlyle, caught the eye of producer Barbara Broccoli, EoN’s very own M.

    It’s true that an eerie hush has fallen over the production company’s Piccadilly headquarters since the release of Spectre in October 2015. A director is still being sought for Bond 25, while Daniel Craig’s contract to return remains unsigned, and reportedly not for a want of zeroes on it. But here’s an upside. For the first time in over a decade, these two writers – friends since they bunked together at the University of Kent in 1980, and whose Bond career has taken them from their late 30s to mid-50s – have had time to try something different.



    Not least of all Spectre, which the two were only brought on board to re-write in the summer of 2014 after executives at Sony Pictures flew into a panic over the film’s third act. They spent the next six months offering possible alternatives to the studio, a process which continued right up until filming began in December.

    “People were already in pre-production on the film,” says Purvis, “and they wanted to see things all the time. And sometimes they couldn’t decide what they wanted until they’d seen it written. So you write scene upon scene upon scene. You write so much. But how it finally got shaped was probably down to [Sam Mendes,] the director.”


    One sticky problem on Spectre: the original script ended with a helicopter crash on Westminster Bridge in London – and before Purvis and Wade started work, construction had already begun at Pinewood Studios on a demolishable full-scale replica of the landmark. So whatever they came up with had to entail crashing a helicopter into the damn thing somehow.

    In the end, they used it as the stage for Bond to make a life-changing choice: would he walk off to a new life with the comely Madeleine Swann on one side, or slink off to M on the other, back to a life in the shadows? Purvis and Wade had him choose the latter: in the end, they were overruled.

    They’d originally planned to leave the series after Skyfall – a film Wade reveals sprung from discussions with Mendes as a new spin on Fleming’s novel You Only Live Twice, with a physically and psychologically dilapidated Bond dispatched on an intentionally ‘impossible mission’ – which made their work on Spectre something like an encore. Would they go back to the franchise again?

    "Never say never,” Wade quickly replies, with a glow of satisfaction. “But for sure, Spectre felt like it closed off a certain way of doing Bond. And I think whatever happens next will be quite different.”




  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited January 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Purvis and Wade? The duo that offered us mediocre to cringeworthy and absurd storylines? Yeah, you two should, first, stay out of politics and simply focus on entertainment. We don't need a James Bond film where either the leftists or the right-wingers play a role. Secondly, if anything, both James Bond and Ian Fleming were patriotic and conservative people, so they would both be in favour of Brexit. As would their allies around them. So, Robert and Neal, do us a favour and depart from the Bond franchise for good. Since The World Is Not Enough you both have been recycling the same story and same elements all over.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited January 2017 Posts: 3,157
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    the original script ended with a helicopter crash on Westminster Bridge in London – and before Purvis and Wade started work, construction had already begun at Pinewood Studios on a demolishable full-scale replica of the landmark. So whatever they came up with had to entail crashing a helicopter into the damn thing somehow.

    Are they serious? The movie had to end with the helicopter crash because they had built the replica? Oh right, all the money had been spent on the world record explosion. Why should you film a movie with a good script if it's going to cost you more?

    No wonder SPECTRE turned out a shitty movie.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    the original script ended with a helicopter crash on Westminster Bridge in London – and before Purvis and Wade started work, construction had already begun at Pinewood Studios on a demolishable full-scale replica of the landmark. So whatever they came up with had to entail crashing a helicopter into the damn thing somehow.

    Are they serious? The movie had to end with the helicopter crash because they had built the replica? Oh right, all the money had been spent on the world record explosion. Why should you film a movie with a good script if it's going to cost you more?

    No wonder SPECTRE turned out a shitty movie.
    There you go. It's when "auteur artists" take over an action franchise, that's what happens. All the budget had to be wasted on the explosion and building a new Aston Martin (which won't be driven by anyone in the future) that merely had an action in it other than a race demonstration. Go figure.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited January 2017 Posts: 4,116
    Purvis and Wade? The duo that offwered us mediocre to cringeworthy and absurd storylines? Yeah, you two should, first, stay out of politics and simply focus on entertainment. We don't need a James Bond film where either the leftists or the right-wingers play a role. Secondly, if anything, both James Bond and Ian Fleming were patriotic and conservative people, so they would both be in favour of Brexit. As would their allies around them. So, Robert and Neal, do us a favour and depart from the Bond franchise for good. Since The World Is Not Enough you both have been recycling the same story and same elements all over.

    Agreed plus one times two infinity.

    Does mirror what Harris said. So sorry Reddit hack.

    However I don't like P&W so chummy with producers ...ugh

    At least I agree with them that they have no ideas.

    And "gasp" that Bond should have slid away and returned to M.

    And any Bond villain that acknowledges and fights evil like isis is a villain I can live with.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
    edited January 2017 Posts: 2,044
    Walecs wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    the original script ended with a helicopter crash on Westminster Bridge in London – and before Purvis and Wade started work, construction had already begun at Pinewood Studios on a demolishable full-scale replica of the landmark. So whatever they came up with had to entail crashing a helicopter into the damn thing somehow.

    Are they serious? The movie had to end with the helicopter crash because they had built the replica? Oh right, all the money had been spent on the world record explosion. Why should you film a movie with a good script if it's going to cost you more?

    No wonder SPECTRE turned out a shitty movie.

    Clearly you don't know how a large scale production works. Since the beginning of time with these blockbusters, set-pieces are written first and then the storyline around them, despite what the director or scriptwriter says. That is because from a financial standpoint, the set pieces are what's marketable (unfortunately). The sets also costs a lot of money, and need to be built before the production commences. There is no time for wiggle room on these behemoths.

    Purvis&Wade came on in a late stage and had to find solutions on the obvious problems, so they had to write around the problems. They had to compromise to make the director, producers and the money-men happy.

    Keep in mind also that Purvis&Wade was/is EONs in in-house writers. They pitch the story that makes EON get the necessary funding(often derived from ideas that the producers has brought forward)
    Later when a director comes aboard, he/she can choose to disregard the script and start with something else (Forster) or build upon what is already there (Apted). What is important is that there HAS to be a script before anyone can sign on. That is/was Purvis&Wades work. Thus they can be "blamed" for some story choices and dialogue, but absolutely not everything. There are too many cooks to pinpoint how did what. But most often it comes down to the director and the producers choices.

    There is most likely a couple of writers employed at EON house as we speak, scribbling down ideas and if the ideas make it to the screen they will be credited as the writers. If not, well then we will never know who they are or when they worked on it.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited January 2017 Posts: 11,139
    doubleoego wrote: »
    I know how the world works and to me this sounds like a leak.

    Well, to the rest of us that know better the reddit "leak" is bs.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    I know how the world works and to me this sounds like a leak.

    Well, to the rest of us that know better the reddit "leak" is bs.

    I don't know better? Yet you believe Naomie Harris?

    I didn't say anything about me believing Harris. I've only commented on the reddit post which I'm not naive to believe.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    I don't know better? Yet you believe Naomie Harris?

    I didn't say anything about me believing Harris. I've only commented on the reddit post which I'm not naive to believe.

    I take it you believe fluff put out by actors, then?

    You surmised this how?

    Sorry but your level of denial and inability to see that some random reddit user, delivering a Bond "scoop" only shows how desperate you are to grasp on to any bit of traction for Bond news; and/or just how gullible you are. Not to deliberately sound condescending; but you may not be new to the Internet but you've still got a lot to learn how it works and the machinations of sites like Reddit.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    I know how the world works and to me this sounds like a leak.

    Well, to the rest of us that know better the reddit "leak" is bs.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    I know how the world works and to me this sounds like a leak.

    Well, to the rest of us that know better the reddit "leak" is bs.

    I don't know better? Yet you believe Naomie Harris?

    I didn't say anything about me believing Harris. I've only commented on the reddit post which I'm not naive to believe.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    I don't know better? Yet you believe Naomie Harris?

    I didn't say anything about me believing Harris. I've only commented on the reddit post which I'm not naive to believe.

    I take it you believe fluff put out by actors, then?

    You surmised this how?

    Sorry but your level of denial and inability to see that some random reddit user, delivering a Bond "scoop" only shows how desperate you are to grasp on to any bit of traction for Bond news; and/or just how gullible you are. Not to deliberately sound condescending; but you may not be new to the Internet but you've still got a lot to learn how it works and the machinations of sites like Reddit.

    It's not being gullible when it has evidence to back it up. Why don't you step back from the computer for a bit and think about life.

  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited January 2017 Posts: 1,756
    I think the idea of "not knowing where to go" with Bond, is a positive. This will definitely encourage some creativity and I'm convinced we are going to get something vastly different to what we've been seeing. Maybe Casino Royale different.

    It's funny, when Skyfall came out, M said "Our world is not more transparent now, it's more opaque", now it seems like the opposite is happening. There is more of a clear divide.

    I think a good direction to go would be something like Dr. No. Straightforward, but with a defined mad man with a clear objective.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited January 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Within two years, Dynamite released three story arcs (and the fourth is scheduled to debut in two months) starring James Bond with all of them positively received. I think there are plenty of writers out there who would make the franchise shine a lot more than it is, now.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Within two years, Dynamite released three story arcs (and the fourth is scheduled to debut in two months) starring James Bond with all of them positively received. I think there are plenty of writers out there who would make the franchise shine a lot more than it is, now.

    =D> =D> =D>
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    Within two years, Dynamite released three story arcs (and the fourth is scheduled to debut in two months) starring James Bond with all of them positively received. I think there are plenty of writers out there who would make the franchise shine a lot more than it is, now.

    Do you recommend reading them? Sort of interested.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Whether Craig returns or not, they need to inject some fresh blood into the series. Get some brand new, highly-skilled (or at least relatively competent) writers, ditch Newman (I don't need someone new in this category if David Arnold returns), and get an inspired director that can make a great, fun 25th installment.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited January 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Within two years, Dynamite released three story arcs (and the fourth is scheduled to debut in two months) starring James Bond with all of them positively received. I think there are plenty of writers out there who would make the franchise shine a lot more than it is, now.

    Do you recommend reading them? Sort of interested.
    The first two (VARGR and Eidolon) are experimental. A complete new take on the character. While the third one, Hammerhead, is your typical "Classic" Bond that we know and love.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    the original script ended with a helicopter crash on Westminster Bridge in London – and before Purvis and Wade started work, construction had already begun at Pinewood Studios on a demolishable full-scale replica of the landmark. So whatever they came up with had to entail crashing a helicopter into the damn thing somehow.

    Are they serious? The movie had to end with the helicopter crash because they had built the replica? Oh right, all the money had been spent on the world record explosion. Why should you film a movie with a good script if it's going to cost you more?

    No wonder SPECTRE turned out a shitty movie.

    That sounds better than what we got.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited January 2017 Posts: 4,116
    Within two years, Dynamite released three story arcs (and the fourth is scheduled to debut in two months) starring James Bond with all of them positively received. I think there are plenty of writers out there who would make the franchise shine a lot more than it is, now.

    Do you recommend reading them? Sort of interested.

    I'll second @ClarkDevlin. ..very recommended.
    The first two push the violence I think beyond the character but still recommended reading. The literary Bond yes is a violent one but Bond is not a sadist and that doesn't quite ring as true.

    But I am NOT discouraging you from reading. These are highly entertaining thrillers.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    @mcdonbb, dear old friend... Spoilers. ;)
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