No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    SharkBait wrote: »
    Yes. What he needs now is a clown outfit.

    Better make it a killer clown outfit.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited February 2017 Posts: 6,304
    GetCarter wrote: »
    GetCarter wrote: »
    Here's the thing - Bond movies are no longer about Fleming (we know this already) or even the overall canon.
    What does this even mean?

    LOL, probably explained myself poorly.

    What I'm trying to say is that with Casino Royale the film makers showed a willingness to mess with Bond's back story for the first time.

    Daniel Craig got his own arc within the canon. Only Lazenby among previous Bonds really got that. And that was within one movie!

    Connery got a very loose arc to do with SPECTRE. Moore was like Groundhog Day. Same world, same problems, neatly packaged at the end of each.

    There was a scowl in TSWLM when Bach mentions his marriage, and then in FYEO when Moore visits Tracey's grave.

    Dalts had LTK, but things were halted off-screen just when he was getting stuck into some dramatic meat.

    Craig has had a fully-fledged career over four movies.

    It'll be the same with the next actor. Vesper, Quantum, the whole lot will be erased.

    Oh hell no! Ignore Blofeld and Quantum and Spectre if they wish, but not Vesper.

    I do not want Bond to go down the road of Spiderman and redo the origin story every decade or less. It would diminish the franchise.

    The beauty of this new timeline is that they can revisit or fix characters that they didn't do justice to (or at all) the first time around. Granted, they botched Blofeld (maybe not irreparably) but they've done pretty well with Leiter and Mathis in the Craig era. Drax or Big or Scaramanga could easily be featured again.

    I think we're due for Bond to return to the US now that the orange guy is in power. The question is where would be interesting enough? New England? The Southwest? Alaska or Hawaii? One of the territories in the Pacific?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    SharkBait wrote: »
    Yes. What he needs now is a clown outfit.

    Better make it a killer clown outfit.
    Pennywise?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I will await to see what the Omega meeting with DC throws at us in a few weeks time? :-?
    I just want to point out that Craig is an Omega ambassador outside of Bond. He promotes the Hour Vision line without referencing James Bond. So he could be meeting them to discuss his own sponsorship activities.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    bondjames wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I will await to see what the Omega meeting with DC throws at us in a few weeks time? :-?
    I just want to point out that Craig is an Omega ambassador outside of Bond. He promotes the Hour Vision line without referencing James Bond. So he could be meeting them to discuss his own sponsorship activities.
    Wasn't Berenice Marlohe also an ambassador of the brand at some point? Or she still is?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I will await to see what the Omega meeting with DC throws at us in a few weeks time? :-?
    I just want to point out that Craig is an Omega ambassador outside of Bond. He promotes the Hour Vision line without referencing James Bond. So he could be meeting them to discuss his own sponsorship activities.
    Wasn't Berenice Marlohe also an ambassador of the brand at some point? Or she still is?
    Yes, she was. I'm not sure if she still is (probably not). I would think that the same thing would apply to Craig. Meaning if he drops Bond he will be dropped by Omega, and that is probably an arrangement they have with EON (so as not to create competition & confusion with the incumbent Bond - as an example, Brosnan no longer promotes Omega).

    By inference, that suggests that he is still Bond for the forseeable future, because Omega wouldn't start a campaign with him if he was planning to drop 007 or if a new actor was going to be announced shortly.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited February 2017 Posts: 6,304
    There are a very few iconic characters that I would not want to see rebooted: Klebb and Grant, Goldfinger and Oddjob, Tracy and Draco, possibly Jaws. Everyone else is fair game.

    I do not want to see any of the Bond film stories revisited (and especially not TB).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Past characters shouldn't return. The argument couldn't be applied to Blofeld because he IS Bond's archenemy, and not just a one-off regular villain. So, I don't mind (and didn't in Spectre) his resurrection and/or rebooted iteration. It also works with the recurring characters such as Moneypenny, Tanner and the positions of Q and M as titles given to new characters. As much as I love Sir Miles, I wouldn't want to see him return, nor Major Boothroyd.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    I was not in favor of Blofeld returning (he's on the cusp of iconic but for the recastings) but there we have him. The problem is that when the film series goes awry, returning to Fleming is always the right answer. And there is a limited amount of Fleming, so eventually they will have to go back to some of these characters.

    Krest is another one who could be revisited, IMHO.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I will await to see what the Omega meeting with DC throws at us in a few weeks time? :-?
    I just want to point out that Craig is an Omega ambassador outside of Bond. He promotes the Hour Vision line without referencing James Bond. So he could be meeting them to discuss his own sponsorship activities.
    Wasn't Berenice Marlohe also an ambassador of the brand at some point? Or she still is?
    Yes, she was. I'm not sure if she still is (probably not). I would think that the same thing would apply to Craig. Meaning if he drops Bond he will be dropped by Omega, and that is probably an arrangement they have with EON (so as not to create competition & confusion with the incumbent Bond - as an example, Brosnan no longer promotes Omega).

    By inference, that suggests that he is still Bond for the forseeable future, because Omega wouldn't start a campaign with him if he was planning to drop 007 or if a new actor was going to be announced shortly.
    The guy implied he was meeting with Craig, Wilson and Broccoli.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    bondjames wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I will await to see what the Omega meeting with DC throws at us in a few weeks time? :-?
    I just want to point out that Craig is an Omega ambassador outside of Bond. He promotes the Hour Vision line without referencing James Bond. So he could be meeting them to discuss his own sponsorship activities.

    This is very likely to be the case.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    bondjames wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I will await to see what the Omega meeting with DC throws at us in a few weeks time? :-?
    I just want to point out that Craig is an Omega ambassador outside of Bond. He promotes the Hour Vision line without referencing James Bond. So he could be meeting them to discuss his own sponsorship activities.

    I thought there was a quote by Craig a while ago saying he hated Omega.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I will await to see what the Omega meeting with DC throws at us in a few weeks time? :-?
    I just want to point out that Craig is an Omega ambassador outside of Bond. He promotes the Hour Vision line without referencing James Bond. So he could be meeting them to discuss his own sponsorship activities.

    I thought there was a quote by Craig a while ago saying he hated Omega.
    I wasn't aware of that, but he is known to wear more Rolex than Omega personally (there are more photos of him sporting vintage models). He does have a 42mm 2500 Planet Ocean Liquid Metal Limited Edition in his personal collection.

    I think he promotes the Hour Vision due to the Orbis charity eye clinic thing.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I will await to see what the Omega meeting with DC throws at us in a few weeks time? :-?
    I just want to point out that Craig is an Omega ambassador outside of Bond. He promotes the Hour Vision line without referencing James Bond. So he could be meeting them to discuss his own sponsorship activities.

    I thought there was a quote by Craig a while ago saying he hated Omega.
    I wasn't aware of that, but he is known to wear more Rolex than Omega personally (there are more photos of him sporting vintage models). He does have a 42mm 2500 Planet Ocean Liquid Metal Limited Edition in his personal collection.

    I think he promotes the Hour Vision due to the Orbis charity eye clinic thing.

    He also owns a Vintage Seamaster 300. Honestly I'm not too sure on it but I swear I heard something along the likes of Daniel admitting that he much preferred Rolex. Can't seem to find those articles anymore.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    I will await to see what the Omega meeting with DC throws at us in a few weeks time? :-?
    I just want to point out that Craig is an Omega ambassador outside of Bond. He promotes the Hour Vision line without referencing James Bond. So he could be meeting them to discuss his own sponsorship activities.

    I thought there was a quote by Craig a while ago saying he hated Omega.
    I wasn't aware of that, but he is known to wear more Rolex than Omega personally (there are more photos of him sporting vintage models). He does have a 42mm 2500 Planet Ocean Liquid Metal Limited Edition in his personal collection.

    I think he promotes the Hour Vision due to the Orbis charity eye clinic thing.

    He also owns a Vintage Seamaster 300. Honestly I'm not too sure on it but I swear I heard something along the likes of Daniel admitting that he much preferred Rolex. Can't seem to find those articles anymore.
    I recall reading that somewhere as well. He seems to prefer the older models from both manufacturers. So do I btw.
  • gumboltgumbolt Now with in-office photocopier
    Posts: 153
    Maybe DC was referring to the renegade Time Lord Omega, whose evil and corruption brought Gallifrey to its knees. Is DC a Dr Who fan? If so, that would explain it.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I believe the brand that Craig is known to hate is Sony Mobile. Not Omega. At least not that I know of.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    I believe the brand that Craig is known to hate is Sony Mobile. Not Omega. At least not that I know of.
    I always thought Blackberry was more suited to Craig's Bond more so than Sony.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    jake24 wrote: »
    I believe the brand that Craig is known to hate is Sony Mobile. Not Omega. At least not that I know of.
    I always thought Blackberry was more suited to Craig's Bond more so than Sony.
    I really don't mind any kind of a smartphone as long as it doesn't have the iOS software and/or is an iPhone.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    jake24 wrote: »
    I believe the brand that Craig is known to hate is Sony Mobile. Not Omega. At least not that I know of.
    I always thought Blackberry was more suited to Craig's Bond more so than Sony.
    I really don't mind any kind of a smartphone as long as it doesn't have the iOS software and/or is an iPhone.

    Yes, his Bond doesn't strike me as a man who would enjoy the over-simplicity of IOS.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    SonofSean wrote: »
    I think by the time we do get Bond 25 (2019 or 2020) it would have been 5 whole years since Spectre. Already Craig was tired, burnt out, whatever. Sounds more and more likely that there is no script nor any sense of urgency by EON to get Bond 25 out of the gates. This is very, very sad for Bond fans. Maybe Bond has had it's day. Maybe it's time to retire the character once and for all. This isn't what I want, but neither Daniel Craig nor EON seem to give a damn, so why the hell should we? John Wick 2 is about to start kicking all kinds of ass in cinemas (2 installments within 3 years!) and Tom Cruise will start filming Mission Impossible 6 later this year to hit cinemas next summer. There is a real hunger for action / adventure movies. People crave escapism, especially in these dark times, so Bond has failed his mission to provide the sort of entertainment his fans have relied on for years. I know this is a bit of rant, and I don't want to sound entitled, but we live in an age of endless comic book movies and Star Wars movies (fans of those movies get a movie each year!)...I just feel that being a Bond fan I drew the short straw. Sigh. maybe it's time for me to pick a new franchse to care about.

    This is the prevailing feeling in the community at the moment. We're back in limbo.

    Do any of you guys give a flying F for this rich, diverse franchise of 50 plus years, or is your only interest the next film? And how soon after Bond 25 is released will you forget all about it and aim your obsession at Bond 26?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    NicNac wrote: »
    SonofSean wrote: »
    I think by the time we do get Bond 25 (2019 or 2020) it would have been 5 whole years since Spectre. Already Craig was tired, burnt out, whatever. Sounds more and more likely that there is no script nor any sense of urgency by EON to get Bond 25 out of the gates. This is very, very sad for Bond fans. Maybe Bond has had it's day. Maybe it's time to retire the character once and for all. This isn't what I want, but neither Daniel Craig nor EON seem to give a damn, so why the hell should we? John Wick 2 is about to start kicking all kinds of ass in cinemas (2 installments within 3 years!) and Tom Cruise will start filming Mission Impossible 6 later this year to hit cinemas next summer. There is a real hunger for action / adventure movies. People crave escapism, especially in these dark times, so Bond has failed his mission to provide the sort of entertainment his fans have relied on for years. I know this is a bit of rant, and I don't want to sound entitled, but we live in an age of endless comic book movies and Star Wars movies (fans of those movies get a movie each year!)...I just feel that being a Bond fan I drew the short straw. Sigh. maybe it's time for me to pick a new franchse to care about.

    This is the prevailing feeling in the community at the moment. We're back in limbo.

    Do any of you guys give a flying F for this rich, diverse franchise of 50 plus years, or is your only interest the next film? And how soon after Bond 25 is released will you forget all about it and aim your obsession at Bond 26?
    Haha, this thread's comments summed up in one descriptive and simplistic response. :))
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    Well, anticipation of what's in the future is often more heightened than what's in the past. A week after going on a fantastic vacation, I'm starting to think about the next. Does that mean that I don't appreciate the one I just experienced? No.

    There are a multitude of threads that celebrate what has come before. There's nothing wrong with one that eagerly, maybe even impatiently, awaits what's yet to come.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited February 2017 Posts: 10,591
    talos7 wrote: »
    Well, anticipation of what's in the future is often more heightened than what's in the past. A week after going on a fantastic vacation, I'm starting to think about the next. Does that mean that I don't appreciate the one I just experienced? No.

    There are a multitude of threads that celebrate what has come before. There's nothing wrong with one that eagerly, maybe even impatiently, awaits what's yet to come.
    You took the words right out of my mouth, @talos7.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited February 2017 Posts: 1,756
    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I believe the brand that Craig is known to hate is Sony Mobile. Not Omega. At least not that I know of.
    I always thought Blackberry was more suited to Craig's Bond more so than Sony.
    I really don't mind any kind of a smartphone as long as it doesn't have the iOS software and/or is an iPhone.

    Yes, his Bond doesn't strike me as a man who would enjoy the over-simplicity of IOS.

    I don't particularly agree or disagree. But I think Bond would simply use a government restricted custom iPhone. Bond doesn't strike me as an Android guy nor an iOS guy. Blackberry is a good suggestion too but it might seem too "bureaucratic" for him.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    NicNac wrote: »
    SonofSean wrote: »
    I think by the time we do get Bond 25 (2019 or 2020) it would have been 5 whole years since Spectre. Already Craig was tired, burnt out, whatever. Sounds more and more likely that there is no script nor any sense of urgency by EON to get Bond 25 out of the gates. This is very, very sad for Bond fans. Maybe Bond has had it's day. Maybe it's time to retire the character once and for all. This isn't what I want, but neither Daniel Craig nor EON seem to give a damn, so why the hell should we? John Wick 2 is about to start kicking all kinds of ass in cinemas (2 installments within 3 years!) and Tom Cruise will start filming Mission Impossible 6 later this year to hit cinemas next summer. There is a real hunger for action / adventure movies. People crave escapism, especially in these dark times, so Bond has failed his mission to provide the sort of entertainment his fans have relied on for years. I know this is a bit of rant, and I don't want to sound entitled, but we live in an age of endless comic book movies and Star Wars movies (fans of those movies get a movie each year!)...I just feel that being a Bond fan I drew the short straw. Sigh. maybe it's time for me to pick a new franchse to care about.

    This is the prevailing feeling in the community at the moment. We're back in limbo.

    Do any of you guys give a flying F for this rich, diverse franchise of 50 plus years, or is your only interest the next film? And how soon after Bond 25 is released will you forget all about it and aim your obsession at Bond 26?

    Valid question. However, I think the issue is, with the reboot we were expecting top quality films which would allow for a much healthier outlook and prospective future with the series. Then the MgM thing happened which momentarily cimpromised Bind's future and then with SF's incredible success and affirming Bond's place not just in the here and now but for the future, I think many of us thought Bond is in the best position possible, a true competitor with the other big franchises and blockbusters but then SP happened...and ultimately since then no one really knows anything; meanwhile other franchises including the likes of MI are securing release dates and quite frankly are thriving and reshaping the industry; a territory Bond used to be at the forefront of. There's a huge desperation to see Bond return and to return gloriously.
    The history of the franchise is something we can all appreciate but I for one, don't want to rely on the past. It saddens me that in the last 30 odd years, imo there have been only 2...possibly 3 great Bond films made. That's tragic for a fan.

  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Can't believe its been a year since Spectre's Blu-ray release was kind of disappointed by the lack of special features hopefully bond 25's is way better.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    doubleoego wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    SonofSean wrote: »
    I think by the time we do get Bond 25 (2019 or 2020) it would have been 5 whole years since Spectre. Already Craig was tired, burnt out, whatever. Sounds more and more likely that there is no script nor any sense of urgency by EON to get Bond 25 out of the gates. This is very, very sad for Bond fans. Maybe Bond has had it's day. Maybe it's time to retire the character once and for all. This isn't what I want, but neither Daniel Craig nor EON seem to give a damn, so why the hell should we? John Wick 2 is about to start kicking all kinds of ass in cinemas (2 installments within 3 years!) and Tom Cruise will start filming Mission Impossible 6 later this year to hit cinemas next summer. There is a real hunger for action / adventure movies. People crave escapism, especially in these dark times, so Bond has failed his mission to provide the sort of entertainment his fans have relied on for years. I know this is a bit of rant, and I don't want to sound entitled, but we live in an age of endless comic book movies and Star Wars movies (fans of those movies get a movie each year!)...I just feel that being a Bond fan I drew the short straw. Sigh. maybe it's time for me to pick a new franchse to care about.

    This is the prevailing feeling in the community at the moment. We're back in limbo.

    Do any of you guys give a flying F for this rich, diverse franchise of 50 plus years, or is your only interest the next film? And how soon after Bond 25 is released will you forget all about it and aim your obsession at Bond 26?

    Valid question. However, I think the issue is, with the reboot we were expecting top quality films which would allow for a much healthier outlook and prospective future with the series. Then the MgM thing happened which momentarily cimpromised Bind's future and then with SF's incredible success and affirming Bond's place not just in the here and now but for the future, I think many of us thought Bond is in the best position possible, a true competitor with the other big franchises and blockbusters but then SP happened...and ultimately since then no one really knows anything; meanwhile other franchises including the likes of MI are securing release dates and quite frankly are thriving and reshaping the industry; a territory Bond used to be at the forefront of. There's a huge desperation to see Bond return and to return gloriously.
    The history of the franchise is something we can all appreciate but I for one, don't want to rely on the past. It saddens me that in the last 30 odd years, imo there have been only 2...possibly 3 great Bond films made. That's tragic for a fan.
    I count 5.

  • With 24 Bond films and counting, no one else comes close to the success. When people stop waiting desperately for the next 007 movie, then the series will be over and fans can sit back to watch an old favorite out of the 24 or 25 or whatever. MI has so much CGI that it’s pleasure to savior the minimalist computer tricks in the EON productions. 2 or 3 greats or is it 5 greats or is it more or is it less. I’ve had 20 runs on the ski slopes this year, but only 1 really good run, and that run makes the season worth it, as far as I’m concerned. The first 007 film I ever saw was a great ride, otherwise I wouldn’t have seen any others, I can’t say the same for the other film franchise series’, most put me to sleep long before the climax.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited February 2017 Posts: 40,976
    @Legionnaire, I'm curious about the level of CGI in the last two M:I films that is somehow missing from the last two Bond films. The former has done more real, dangerous stunts than the Bond series has lately, I'd say, but even still, both franchises have their fair share of CG usage and practical stunt work.
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