No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited February 2017 Posts: 2,115
    //Spectre was planned for 2014 (back to a 2 year gap) but they waited for Mendes to be available. //

    Not true. Sony wanted it out for 2014 and said so. But Barbara Broccoli said no in 2012.

    http://collider.com/daniel-craig-barbara-broccoli-skyfall-interview/#more-162975

    Last week Rory, the president of distribution of Sony, announced Bond 24 for I guess late 2014…

    Broccoli: He was getting a little overexcited (laughs). We’re just actually focusing on this movie. One hopes that in the future we’ll be announcing other films, but no one’s officially announced it.


    Craig: No one’s announced anything. He got a little ahead of himself (laughs). It’s very nice that he has the confidence to be able to do that, but we haven’t finished this movie yet.

    Also, she gave an interview to the Los Angeles Times in 2012.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/14/entertainment/la-et-mn-skyfall-next-james-bond-movie-20121113

    "Sometimes there are external pressures from a studio who want you to make it in a certain time frame or for their own benefit, and sometimes we’ve given into that," Broccoli said. "But following what we hope will be a tremendous success with 'Skyfall,' we have to try to keep the deadlines within our own time limits and not cave in to external pressures."

    She had her own plans for 2014:

    Radiator
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4028876/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_5

    The Silent Storm
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2923780/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_6

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I have decided to start exercicising now. Once every four years for max effect.

    Classic.
  • //Why are you so adamant though that the producers are deliberately releasing the Bond films on the timeframes that they have been for, I guess, market optimization purposes? //

    This question wasn't asked of me, but here's my answer. I think it's pretty clear Barbara Broccoli wants to do non-Bond projects, similar to the way Harry Saltzman did non-Bond projects in the 1960s.

    Eon was involved in two 2014 films, it produced one last year (for a 2017 release) and is involved in another now being filmed.
  • //Why are you so adamant though that the producers are deliberately releasing the Bond films on the timeframes that they have been for, I guess, market optimization purposes? //

    This question wasn't asked of me, but here's my answer. I think it's pretty clear Barbara Broccoli wants to do non-Bond projects, similar to the way Harry Saltzman did non-Bond projects in the 1960s.

    Eon was involved in two 2014 films, it produced one last year (for a 2017 release) and is involved in another now being filmed.

    Yes, I think that's very likely the case—that the core team has taken a relaxed approach to releasing new Bonds to allow for their non-Bond projects.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2017 Posts: 3,126
    SharkBait wrote: »
    The good thing about this is that my dvd/bluray shelf won't get too full, when they're not releasing these films every two year.

    Same here and hopefully bond 25 has more special features then spectre spectre had pretty much nothing
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I think this entirety of delays also has to do with MGM's issues that are too many for their own good. However, I firmly believe something definitely is being cooked up. Something of a great satisfactory. Eon might be planning some new strategy to take effect instead of worrying about the next film only. They're just distracting the audience for now with this non-Bond project news. Obviously there's a lot more to it than meets the eye.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Future classics I'm sure, along with the soon to be released film with Jamie Bell.

    I'd personally prefer that they focus on Bond rather than these artsy side shows.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
    edited February 2017 Posts: 2,044
    Meanwhile, while everyone is harping on and being "entitled" and so on, the first official image from Logan Lucky has been released!

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Looks great. I'm interesting in seeing that.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Definitely. I look forward to seeing it.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Dan looks a lot younger in those pics too.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Literally only going to see the movie for Daniel Craig.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    They need to make one more with Craig and finish his story arch
    Then return to a 2 year cycle with a. New bond and a new story and after 1 or 2 movies have SPECTRE return
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    RC7 wrote: »
    It's about quality, not frequency. Or maybe it isn't for some people - spoon feed me every two years and I'm done.

    Except waiting one extra year for SPECTRE gave us "I created the biggest criminal organization ever because my father loved the kid I used to play with - also, we just met you but I think I love you so I guess I'll leave MI6 for you".
  • // They're just distracting the audience for now with this non-Bond project news.//

    Well, it's four movies and counting since 2014. That's more than just a distraction. These are projects that Barbara Broccoli *wants* to do.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Walecs wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    It's about quality, not frequency. Or maybe it isn't for some people - spoon feed me every two years and I'm done.

    Except waiting one extra year for SPECTRE gave us "I created the biggest criminal organization ever because my father loved the kid I used to play with - also, we just met you but I think I love you so I guess I'll leave MI6 for you".

    Exactly. Silly film.

    Calling it silly is being overly generous.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited February 2017 Posts: 6,277
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    It's about quality, not frequency. Or maybe it isn't for some people - spoon feed me every two years and I'm done.

    Yeah, remember those completely rubbish Bonds FRWL, GF, and TB they rushed out in a single year? I hope we never see Bond films of that quality again!

    You mean those films in the 60s? When Bond became and remained the only phenomenon?

    Whether you like it or not cinema has changed, dramatically. Production, marketing, distribution... Yes, obviously they could release a film every two years, but competition is fierce - release a middling dud and you're fucked. You can harp on until the cows come home about SP being shite, but it pulled in big numbers, sold a bucket load on disc and can still be purchased from any random supermarket 14 months down the line.

    The goal posts have moved. Right now they're about keeping Bond's head above the parapet. Whether you, I, or anyone else agree with that model is moot, it's what they feel they have to do to keep Bond front and centre at this moment in time.

    It's not as simple as saying 'I want, I want' and I can't be arsed to go into the minutiae of 'why', because a little thought leads you to the answer.

    To be fair, they had their pick of Fleming novels in the '60s. Part of what takes longer now is that Bond films have to try to outdo their own legacy, every time. I thought CR and QoS (despite the editing) had interesting, taut PTSes, but Mendes brought all the bloat and secondary characters back. I may be in the minority but I just don't want to hear M in Bond's ear as he's just trying to do his job.
  • //To be fair, they had their pick of Fleming novels in the '60s.//

    Absolutely correct. While it's not the same, in 2017, they do have their pick of more than 20 continuation novels (1 from Kinsley Amis, 14 from John Gardner, six from Raymond Benson, and the various one-offs).

    They've avoided that route although they opened the door with SPECTRE (using the torture scene with a "special thanks" credit to the Kingsley Amis estate).

    Eon could pick one of the better (in their view) continuation novels at least as a starting point. Whether they do so or not remains to be seen.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I don't believe EON has the film rights for the continuation novels. Except for Colonel Sun presumably.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited February 2017 Posts: 15,423
    They can acquire them if they seem to be running out of ideas. That could keep them warm for at least another 50 years.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 386
    The Bond brains trust could set up a stringent two-year cycle if they wanted to. It would cater for fans as well as make a ton of money.

    They don't want to.

    An old-school producer like Cubby would've coerced Craig into turning up, in shape, whenever the hell he asked him to.

    The producers have lost focus and lost touch. They pander to Craig. They pander to Mendes.

    A smart producer might choose to strip things down. Hire a young, talented actor who won't complain about making Bond films and who understands his career hinges on bond for as long as it lasts.

    A savvy producer might engage a team of 2-3 writers to work full time on bond. Start writing the next as soon as the first is greenlit.

    I look at the producers and I see fantastic, successful people. But you need a mountain of energy to do what Cubby used to do.

    A regular two-year cycle wouldn't be "for the fans". It would make money. You just need drive and vision. Something the current team have lost along the way.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I don't believe EON has the film rights for the continuation novels. Except for Colonel Sun presumably.

    They probably could if they wanted to and I believe they are headed in this direction
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    Danjaq owns the film options to the continuation novels.
    They will though never use them in the foreseeable future.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 19
    Broccoli's focus on other projects is what is slowing the rate of Bonds down. MGM would love one every two years, it's their biggest earner.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I don't believe EON has the film rights for the continuation novels. Except for Colonel Sun presumably.

    Is this accurate? I ask because all this time I and presumably many others believed EoN had the rights to the continuation novels and personally, it always baffled me why they couldn't make loose adaptations of them.

  • Posts: 9,843
    GetCarter wrote: »
    The Bond brains trust could set up a stringent two-year cycle if they wanted to. It would cater for fans as well as make a ton of money.

    They don't want to.

    An old-school producer like Cubby would've coerced Craig into turning up, in shape, whenever the hell he asked him to.

    The producers have lost focus and lost touch. They pander to Craig. They pander to Mendes.

    A smart producer might choose to strip things down. Hire a young, talented actor who won't complain about making Bond films and who understands his career hinges on bond for as long as it lasts.

    A savvy producer might engage a team of 2-3 writers to work full time on bond. Start writing the next as soon as the first is greenlit.

    I look at the producers and I see fantastic, successful people. But you need a mountain of energy to do what Cubby used to do.

    A regular two-year cycle wouldn't be "for the fans". It would make money. You just need drive and vision. Something the current team have lost along the way.


    Cubby also made his fair share of mishaps and did his fair share of pandering to what was popular or shall we just ignore the rule of thumb for the 70's was whatever was popular at the time somehow put into a bond film...

    for those who don't believe me here is the one to one ratio

    Diamonds are forever I believe was influenced heavidly by the original oceans 12 b ut this is just a guess the rest well

    Live and let die = Blaxpoitation
    The man with the golden gun = Energy Crisis and Kung fu films
    The Spy who Loved me = Jaws
    Moonraker = Star Wars

    And only 2 of those worked in my opinion (the worse is both Diamonds Are Forever and The man with the Golden gun could of been brilliant films.... Hitcockian spy classics... sigh)


    Again lets not put Cubby on some kind of perch he was human and made mistakes just like everyone else (Adam West as 007 for example which was his Idea as was Clint Eastwood for 007 in fact most of the Americans up for the role including Brolin were Cubby's idea)

    the issue here is also How I hear there are no Fleming stories left to adapt and again I disagree as there is a lot of Fleming still left to adapt specifically

    Live and Let die (the idea of using stolen treasure to build funds especially when there are many terrorist organizations in the middle east doing similar things would be extremely interesting)
    Diamonds Are forever (really the whole plot and many of the characters)
    From a View to a kill the idea of courier being killed and bond having to investigate it might seem low key but the rebooted franchise gave us 2 low key plots so far (bloivian water supply and the plot of Casino Royale) that why not
    The Hildebrand rarity here are 2 bare bone plots that could be turned into a decent film Bond being involved in some way shape or form with a local murder and Bond checking the security of a location for the British military both could be interesting combined or separated across 2 films and could be well done if done right (sort of a Jack reacher esque bond film)
    You Only Live Twice the whole book can be carved up and split across various films from the garden of death to bond being sent on an impossible diplomatic mission (and where the series should go next for bond 25 in all honesty)
    The Man with the golden gun really the novel was butchered the first time and should be done again (heck moonraker was done 3 times why can't The man with the golden gun)

    And one last plot point that could be used to build a whole film around M asking Bond for help on an unofficial assignment Both For Your Eyes Only and Moonraker have this point and pre spectre I figured that this is what Bond 24 was going to be about (they hint at Mallory's past with the IRA hugely I thought it would be interesting to have Quantum use the IRA to kidnap someone close to Mallory and Special branch telling the 00 section to stand down and Mallory coming to Bond asking him to take care of this unofficially) but sadly it was not used and we got spectre...


    overall that is either 6 to 9 or 10 films that can be done one every other year. the issue is and I feel this with a lot of franchises honestly writers are tending to get I don't want to say lazier as lord knows I cant write a script (my add would prevent it) but maybe less imaginative...?


    Looking at the idea of Bond being Implemented in a local murder. This raises a lot of questions in my mind that a film could explore.. and if the producers don't want to be tied down to one film location (as indeed this is bond not reacher) that is fine but if you make the profile of the victim higher like perhaps a senator or a presidential nominee or ambassador you could make Interpol come after Bond meaning it could still be globe trotting as Bond tries to prove his innocence.

    Again Fleming offers a paragraph here or there even in the short story Quantum of Solace (bond helping rebel forces try and over throw communists this could be applied to today world easily and be an interesting plot for a bond film honestly)

    the problem is either Writers haven't read all of the books or just don't see the potential in this idea or that idea.. (going back to the local murder idea well how do we keep people at the edge of their seat with this murder plot well what if bond was knocked unconscious and we the audience don't know if bond is guilty or not it could raise the stakes and get us invested especially if say it is done to a character we might be interested in like Dr Swann...)

    again there is enough fleming that we could go on for another 24 films and still have fleming stuff to either refilm in a different way or film for the first time.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Excellent excellent post @Risico007 and I agree with all you have said...this should be forwarded to EON !!!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    GetCarter wrote: »
    The Bond brains trust could set up a stringent two-year cycle if they wanted to. It would cater for fans as well as make a ton of money.

    They don't want to.

    An old-school producer like Cubby would've coerced Craig into turning up, in shape, whenever the hell he asked him to.

    The producers have lost focus and lost touch. They pander to Craig. They pander to Mendes.

    A smart producer might choose to strip things down. Hire a young, talented actor who won't complain about making Bond films and who understands his career hinges on bond for as long as it lasts.

    A savvy producer might engage a team of 2-3 writers to work full time on bond. Start writing the next as soon as the first is greenlit.

    I look at the producers and I see fantastic, successful people. But you need a mountain of energy to do what Cubby used to do.

    A regular two-year cycle wouldn't be "for the fans". It would make money. You just need drive and vision. Something the current team have lost along the way.
    I pretty much agree with you. While Cubby indeed pandered to the whims of the day (most notably when he shelved FYEO for MR to capitalize on the SW mania), he still turned them around fairly quickly with reasonably tight control. There were mistakes, sure, but the 80/20 rule seemed to be in effect at that time.

    It's not like the current crew hasn't pandered (TDK for SF, BB for CR, Bourne Supremacy for QoS, Winter Soldier/TDR for SP etc. etc.).

    As you said, if they wanted to turn them around faster, they could. The evidence seems to suggest that they don't want to.
  • Murdock wrote: »
    I don't believe EON has the film rights for the continuation novels. Except for Colonel Sun presumably.

    They have right of first refusal. Nobody else can make a film out of them.

  • Broccoli's focus on other projects is what is slowing the rate of Bonds down. MGM would love one every two years, it's their biggest earner.

    When MGM was in bankruptcy court in 2010, it filed a business plan that said Bond movies would resume an every-other-year schedule.

    In fall 2012, Gary Barber softened that a bit in the first investor call after the release of Skyfall. Then, in March 2016, he came out with his "three- to four-year cycle" comment.
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