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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited February 2017 Posts: 8,400
    Currently it seems like every other major action blockbuster involves a plot of a corrupt social media mogul colluding with some branch of the Government, or linking peoples webpages together and creating some unlawful means of mass surveillance. We've reached levels of stagnation approximate to the early 2000's global warming disaster movie craze.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't see petty politics impacting the direction of a Bond film. Especially given there are elections every 4-5 years in most countries.
    Agree, petty politics is a good way to call it and Bond (film productions and film character) operates outside those circles, hopefully. He's confronted with bureaucracy and corruption, sure, but in Bondiverse not our world. Even Thatcher and all.

    Separately, why would Trump influence a delay to Bond films rather than boost the schedule along? Wouldn't "troubled times" draw audiences looking for a break from reality?
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Guys, guys, guys - calm down.

    I wasn't suggesting that Trump or the current political revolution in progress across The West should form the basis of the next Bond story. However, as was the case with the fall of the Berlin Wall and 9/11 previously, some major event is likely to impact the climate of cinema over the next couple of years and form the identity of the next string of films. It's not that I want politics to take on a larger role, merely for it to continue to have the same impact it always has done. They need to draw from something contemporary after all. We can't stay stuck in 2006 forever.

    People who shouldn't be in power get there all the time, it happened at the start of the millennium and it's happened again.

    The Bond films already focus their story (the Craig era in this case) on highly pressing current day issues and evils, and have since the first one in 2006. They're so on the nose with their depictions of the world as it is that the movies have even gotten flack for it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Thatcher in FYEO is a perfect example imho of why EON shouldn't incorporate the politics of the day, even if as an aside and with humorous intentions. That scene hasn't dated well. Neither has Greene's comment about the $ not being what it was in QoS, just before the Euro collapsed in 2009.
    Currently it seems like every other major action blockbuster involves a plot of a corrupt social media mogul colluding with some branch of the Government, or linking peoples webpages together and creating some unlawful means of mass surveillance. We've reached levels of stagnation approximate to the early 2000's global warming disaster movie craze.
    I agree here. There is certainly a stagnation in this genre.

    Whether we like to admit or not, EON has tended to be a follower of trends over the years, rather than a creator of them. That could be on account of their writing team or it could be on account of other factors. They look for elements & themes that have worked elsewhere recently and then tend to incorporate them into the Bond films, with a Fleming and Bondian touch thrown on top.

    The bottom line is that most big franchises seem to be somewhat adrift right now, apart from the 'superhero' genre that is chugging along, drawing from the pages of its comics & the SW franchise. So I can imagine they are at a bit of a crossroads in terms of where to draw inspiration.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Walecs wrote: »
    It would be pretty cool if Disney bought Bond cuz they would make a film for the fans unlike Barbra and Wilson who feel like they are tired of bond and are just going through the motions to roll out films unhappily.

    This is true, the thing is most of the fans don't know how to make a good Bond movie.

    It would probably be a retelling of Goldfinger, with Aiden Turner stepping in as James Bond and also confirming that the codename theory is indeed true, whereas the theme song would be an already existing pop song which has nothing to do with the movie itself.

    That's a good portion of the Bond songs anyway, so...

    Not true, every Bond song has been written specifically for the movie, even though the lyrics may not suit the film itself.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Thatcher in FYEO is a perfect example imho of why EON shouldn't incorporate the politics of the day, even if as an aside and with humorous intentions. That scene hasn't dated well. Neither has Greene's comment about the $ not being what it was in QoS, just before the Euro collapsed in 2009.
    Currently it seems like every other major action blockbuster involves a plot of a corrupt social media mogul colluding with some branch of the Government, or linking peoples webpages together and creating some unlawful means of mass surveillance. We've reached levels of stagnation approximate to the early 2000's global warming disaster movie craze.
    I agree here. There is certainly a stagnation in this genre.

    Whether we like to admit or not, EON has tended to be a follower of trends over the years, rather than a creator of them. That could be on account of their writing team or it could be on account of other factors. They look for elements & themes that have worked elsewhere recently and then tend to incorporate them into the Bond films, with a Fleming and Bondian touch thrown on top.

    The bottom line is that most big franchises seem to be somewhat adrift right now, apart from the 'superhero' genre that is chugging along, drawing from the pages of its comics & the SW franchise. So I can imagine they are at a bit of a crossroads in terms of where to draw inspiration.

    That's my point, we're due another paradigm shift soon. We're still running of the fumes of 2006, and some franchises even earlier than that. Looking around, Brexit/Trump just seems the most likely trigger of that shift in media and culture.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    It would be pretty cool if Disney bought Bond cuz they would make a film for the fans unlike Barbra and Wilson who feel like they are tired of bond and are just going through the motions to roll out films unhappily.

    This is true, the thing is most of the fans don't know how to make a good Bond movie.

    It would probably be a retelling of Goldfinger, with Aiden Turner stepping in as James Bond and also confirming that the codename theory is indeed true, whereas the theme song would be an already existing pop song which has nothing to do with the movie itself.

    That's a good portion of the Bond songs anyway, so...

    Not true, every Bond song has been written specifically for the movie, even though the lyrics may not suit the film itself.

    I meant the meaning of the lyrics, obviously, not whether or not they were written for the films.
  • //If they had to sell, I wouldn't mind Disney. Not a wild card as far as I'm concerned. The Chinese on the other hand are, even if that rumour has been debunked.//

    It wasn't exactly debunked. A second news outlet (The Wall Street Jounral) came along, also saying there *had been* negotiations between MGM and the Chinese but the talks broke off late last year.

    Stop to think about it. MGM having those talks would have put talks with other studios about a Bond 25 distribution deal on the back burner.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Stop to think about it. MGM having those talks would have put talks with other studios about a Bond 25 distribution deal on the back burner.
    That's true. It looks like MGM once again delaying things, as is now customary, due to their finances or for other reasons. Hopefully they figure it all out sooner rather than later.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    In terms of story and current politics maybe Felix Leiter could be in trouble because of internal things going in within the CIA while Bond and Leiter co-operate in some case. The book DAF comes to mind, mixed with current events in the world and so on. I would like Bond and Leiter team up again ... and maybe Spectre is behind all of it (pick up where QoS left Quantum somewhat).
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    //If they had to sell, I wouldn't mind Disney. Not a wild card as far as I'm concerned. The Chinese on the other hand are, even if that rumour has been debunked.//

    It wasn't exactly debunked. A second news outlet (The Wall Street Jounral) came along, also saying there *had been* negotiations between MGM and the Chinese but the talks broke off late last year.

    Stop to think about it. MGM having those talks would have put talks with other studios about a Bond 25 distribution deal on the back burner.

    Yeah they wasted a whole year when they easily could have a deal by now and its not trumps fault that MGM would waste a year trying to get a deal done with china. For one I know it would be a huge boast money wise but I just wouldn't have trusted a communist government running bond. China already without trump being in there from the Obama years are trying to take over the south china sea with thier man made islands and cheat when it comes to trade. Anyways MGM just needs to get on its horse and do something and not be wasteful because eon sure doesn't like it.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now

    Yeah they could have used mr. White alot better kind of wasted his potential by just killing him.
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    Well I think we now most likely have the main real reason to the whole distribution deal is the China story that has now been revealed. So I will guess now that MGM will go for a 1 picture deal for Bond 25 with Sony again?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Well I think we now most likely have the main real reason to the whole distribution deal is the China story that has now been revealed. So I will guess now that MGM will go for a 1 picture deal for Bond 25 with Sony again?

    Good
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Well I think we now most likely have the main real reason to the whole distribution deal is the China story that has now been revealed. So I will guess now that MGM will go for a 1 picture deal for Bond 25 with Sony again?
    A 1 picture deal with Sony for EON to finish the Craig storyline. I will certainly take it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now

    I don't understand the idea for wanting all these spin-offs. I think some have mentioned in the past that they would want spinoffs for the entire MI6 team, but why? A two-hour film of MP sitting behind a desk or two hours of Q making gadgets doesn't sound exciting in the slightest. What would a Mr. White spin-off entail?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited February 2017 Posts: 45,489
    Mr White could still be in B25, as a flashback in the pts. Him and Blofeld in the foreign legion.
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    I wouldn't be so against spin offs if it didn't take EoN forever to produce a regular Bond movie
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Sometimes characters like Mr White, just don't have to be "explained" in spin off films. Their mysterious backgrounds, how they came in to being, are more menacing because we don't know EXACTLY what led them to be who they are.
    It's like Hannibal Lecter, or Michael Meyers; the more we learn, the more water-down they become.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    peter wrote: »
    Sometimes characters like Mr White, just don't have to be "explained" in spin off films. Their mysterious backgrounds, how they came in to being, are more menacing because we don't know EXACTLY what led them to be who they are.
    It's like Hannibal Lecter, or Michael Meyers; the more we learn, the more water-down they become.

    Agreed. Not everything needs an explanation.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now

    Yeah they could have used mr. White alot better kind of wasted his potential by just killing him.

    I can't imagine a better end for him than SP. His send off showed a heart behind a monster, and in doing so made one of the best character statements I've seen in the series. He's now a top ten minor character for me.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now

    Yeah they could have used mr. White alot better kind of wasted his potential by just killing him.

    I can't imagine a better end for him than SP. His send off showed a heart behind a monster, and in doing so made one of the best character statements I've seen in the series. He's now a top ten minor character for me.
    That scene was crap. What about all those women and children at Miami Airport? Or the Children in Bolivia who were going to die of thirst? The whole scene is detrimental to the character.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now

    Yeah they could have used mr. White alot better kind of wasted his potential by just killing him.

    I can't imagine a better end for him than SP. His send off showed a heart behind a monster, and in doing so made one of the best character statements I've seen in the series. He's now a top ten minor character for me.
    That scene was crap. What about all those women and children at Miami Airport? Or the Children in Bolivia who were going to die of thirst? The whole scene is detrimental to the character.

    That's exactly what Brady was getting at: he's a monster (for the events you described), and he manages to show heart by not killing Bond, and helping him find his daughter/track down and stop Oberhauser/ESB.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I just want one more Craig one to wrap up this shit continuity and shit story arch that started promisingly with CR and qos and in skyfall and SPECTRE being stupid so just have one more, tie this shit up then start fresh with a new actor and a new story arch that isn't backwards engineered but planned from the start
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now

    Yeah they could have used mr. White alot better kind of wasted his potential by just killing him.

    I can't imagine a better end for him than SP. His send off showed a heart behind a monster, and in doing so made one of the best character statements I've seen in the series. He's now a top ten minor character for me.
    That scene was crap. What about all those women and children at Miami Airport? Or the Children in Bolivia who were going to die of thirst? The whole scene is detrimental to the character.

    That's exactly what Brady was getting at: he's a monster (for the events you described), and he manages to show heart by not killing Bond, and helping him find his daughter/track down and stop Oberhauser/ESB.
    The bit more where he said he left SPECTRE because they were killing women and children was bad because that's what he was doing in CR and QOS.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now

    Yeah they could have used mr. White alot better kind of wasted his potential by just killing him.

    I can't imagine a better end for him than SP. His send off showed a heart behind a monster, and in doing so made one of the best character statements I've seen in the series. He's now a top ten minor character for me.
    That scene was crap. What about all those women and children at Miami Airport? Or the Children in Bolivia who were going to die of thirst? The whole scene is detrimental to the character.

    That's exactly what Brady was getting at: he's a monster (for the events you described), and he manages to show heart by not killing Bond, and helping him find his daughter/track down and stop Oberhauser/ESB.
    The bit more where he said he left SPECTRE because they were killing women and children was bad because that's what he was doing in CR and QOS.

    I think White could swallow the thought of a general attack (i.e. destroying the plane on the tarmac in CR and the whole water scheme in QoS) leaving some women/children dead, but I took his SP comment to mean that women and children were being straight-up executed or murdered, and that was something he couldn't stomach.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I think one of the best scenes in the whole series is when mr white is being interrogated in Italy theirs some great dialogue despite no one actually writing that film.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now

    Yeah they could have used mr. White alot better kind of wasted his potential by just killing him.

    I can't imagine a better end for him than SP. His send off showed a heart behind a monster, and in doing so made one of the best character statements I've seen in the series. He's now a top ten minor character for me.
    That scene was crap. What about all those women and children at Miami Airport? Or the Children in Bolivia who were going to die of thirst? The whole scene is detrimental to the character.

    That's exactly what Brady was getting at: he's a monster (for the events you described), and he manages to show heart by not killing Bond, and helping him find his daughter/track down and stop Oberhauser/ESB.
    The bit more where he said he left SPECTRE because they were killing women and children was bad because that's what he was doing in CR and QOS.

    I think White could swallow the thought of a general attack (i.e. destroying the plane on the tarmac in CR and the whole water scheme in QoS) leaving some women/children dead, but I took his SP comment to mean that women and children were being straight-up executed or murdered, and that was something he couldn't stomach.
    I have to admit this part didn't go down well with me either. The "Women! Children?!" may indeed have been added to make us feel something for White's humanity. So that we perhaps would feel sorry for a man poisoned and dying alone. The father of Bond's future intended no less. However, it just rang hollow to me.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Yeah like most of that film it was just weird and out of place almost like a parody . Even though I enjoyed SPECTRE I can see it becoming a twine where people start to hate it
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