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  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    bondjames wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd like to see some involvement of Artificial Intelligence or Augmented Reality. It's about to make a big leap forward and we're going to see much more of it soon. It would be nice for Bond to touch on it before it becomes commonplace.

    To some degree we've already had it. Bond's BMW in TND was artificially intelligent, and the Aston in TLD had augmented reality with the laser projected crosshairs on the windshield. As much as I am a proponent of gadgets in Bond films, I'm not sure I want to see too much of this kind of stuff. What we've already had was great, but anything more advanced than that might be a little rich. Bond's gadgets are usually more clever and novel, not so much techie. Augmented reality contact lenses might be cool though, with Bond receiving mission info and facial recognition data in real time.
    Yes, of course we have had this already in the form of gadgets. I should have clarified my thinking.

    I would like to see it as part of a criminal plot. A plan involving mass adoption of some sort of new technology which has a nefarious secondary purpose. I don't mean in the 60's sort of cheesy way, but in a darker & more clandestine manner, rather than so obviously. It would take some decent script writers versed in sci fi, but I think it could be done.

    Failing which, they can always dust off Dalton's third B17 script featuring robots ;)

    Ah, so James Bond meets Halloween III: Season of the Witch. ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd like to see some involvement of Artificial Intelligence or Augmented Reality. It's about to make a big leap forward and we're going to see much more of it soon. It would be nice for Bond to touch on it before it becomes commonplace.

    To some degree we've already had it. Bond's BMW in TND was artificially intelligent, and the Aston in TLD had augmented reality with the laser projected crosshairs on the windshield. As much as I am a proponent of gadgets in Bond films, I'm not sure I want to see too much of this kind of stuff. What we've already had was great, but anything more advanced than that might be a little rich. Bond's gadgets are usually more clever and novel, not so much techie. Augmented reality contact lenses might be cool though, with Bond receiving mission info and facial recognition data in real time.
    Yes, of course we have had this already in the form of gadgets. I should have clarified my thinking.

    I would like to see it as part of a criminal plot. A plan involving mass adoption of some sort of new technology which has a nefarious secondary purpose. I don't mean in the 60's sort of cheesy way, but in a darker & more clandestine manner, rather than so obviously. It would take some decent script writers versed in sci fi, but I think it could be done.

    Failing which, they can always dust off Dalton's third B17 script featuring robots ;)

    Ah, so James Bond meets Halloween III: Season of the Witch. ;)
    Haha. I realize the risks with this sort of thing, and as you said, DAD probably has scared them off for some time, regrettably. If it's done well, it will work. Done poorly, and we'll have another train wreck.
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Also, there was a B17 script involving robots?!?!
    Yes sir. It never got off the ground during that long six year wait between LTK and GE, but there were some interesting concepts in there. I'm including a few links with some info on it.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_17_elements

    http://www.007.info/the-007-film-that-never-was-daltons-third-bond/

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    20170224_152741.jpg
    Did that work?
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd like to see some involvement of Artificial Intelligence or Augmented Reality. It's about to make a big leap forward and we're going to see much more of it soon. It would be nice for Bond to touch on it before it becomes commonplace.

    To some degree we've already had it. Bond's BMW in TND was artificially intelligent, and the Aston in TLD had augmented reality with the laser projected crosshairs on the windshield. As much as I am a proponent of gadgets in Bond films, I'm not sure I want to see too much of this kind of stuff. What we've already had was great, but anything more advanced than that might be a little rich. Bond's gadgets are usually more clever and novel, not so much techie. Augmented reality contact lenses might be cool though, with Bond receiving mission info and facial recognition data in real time.
    Yes, of course we have had this already in the form of gadgets. I should have clarified my thinking.

    I would like to see it as part of a criminal plot. A plan involving mass adoption of some sort of new technology which has a nefarious secondary purpose. I don't mean in the 60's sort of cheesy way, but in a darker & more clandestine manner, rather than so obviously. It would take some decent script writers versed in sci fi, but I think it could be done.

    Failing which, they can always dust off Dalton's third B17 script featuring robots ;)

    Ah, so James Bond meets Halloween III: Season of the Witch. ;)
    Haha. I realize the risks with this sort of thing, and as you said, DAD probably has scared them off for some time, regrettably. If it's done well, it will work. Done poorly, and we'll have another train wreck.
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Also, there was a B17 script involving robots?!?!
    Yes sir. It never got off the ground during that long six year wait between LTK and GE, but there were some interesting concepts in there. I'm including a few links with some info on it.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_17_elements

    http://www.007.info/the-007-film-that-never-was-daltons-third-bond/

    That was really interesting! I wish we could have gotten to see that film. Thanks for the links.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    You're welcome @BMW_with_missiles. I know there are quite a few (myself included) who wanted to see that film come to light. They probably went in that tech direction due to the recent success (at the time) of T2.

    @peter, that jpg file didn't work. You can't post it like that. It either has to be a web link or hosted somewhere (like at imgur.com) and then the link enclosed in the img tags.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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  • GetafixGetafix
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd like to see some involvement of Artificial Intelligence or Augmented Reality. It's about to make a big leap forward and we're going to see much more of it soon. It would be nice for Bond to touch on it before it becomes commonplace.

    Errrr DAD
  • GetafixGetafix
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    AI might be too political as well.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/us-billionaire-mercer-helped-back-brexit
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited February 2017 Posts: 15,169
    Let's steer this speculation thread away from a political / Trump bashing fiasco. It's bad enough that we have to endure pages of nothing, but when we have days when, reading the body language of an actor who has worked recently with Daniel Craig, we're bordering on crossing the line of sanity. If it descends into a Trump bashing / political thread too, then it's headed (very quickly) in one direction. X_X
    Let's get at least some sense back before that happens.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    QuantumOrganization wrote: »

    Never seen that video before. Craig's responses were great.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I don't want to linger on this, but politics has always been a part of Bond, in many fantastic ways. Many 60s plots involve a plan to turn nations against the values of each other, and by far the greatest and most powerful aspect of the Moore films is the brave detente the writers created with Gogol and Russia and Bond and his team of the west at a time where EON could've done what others were doing and vilified the Soviets. Out of a time of unrest we got very forward thinking and sensible portrayals like Gogol and Pushkin.

    Even today, politics are always present in Bond, and it makes sense that it would be. Bond is a national agent, after all, and represents a specific world culture that is very traditionalist, as he is. In his job the governments of the world and the politics they express must be intertwined, as it'd be impossible for them not to. It's a scary world, but the films can depict a different side to that fear, and possibly show that for all the unrest in the world stability can be created just as EON were able to show that the Soviets and the west could find common ground in the 70s and 80s in the name of self-preservation.

    Just my piece on this, but like I said, I don't want to linger due to the understandable sensitivities of some users.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Agreed next film should have to do with perhaps Iran funding some terrorists in Africa or something that would be cool
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    No.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    No.
    +1
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited February 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Look how the reference to the Mujahadin has aged in tld. Bad decision. Reminiscent of Rambo 3.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Look how the reference to the Mujahadin has aged in tld. Bad decision. Reminiscent of Rambo 3.

    Aged? It was a snapshot of a crisis of the day, just as the Cold War of the earlier decades was. It's one of my favorite statements that TLD makes.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Weird that people think Bond having an alliance with the Mujahadeen was a cool think for EON to do
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I dunno I favor the more tld LTK frwl casino Royales that have a story more about the time
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited February 2017 Posts: 28,694
    Getafix wrote: »
    Weird that people think Bond having an alliance with the Mujahadeen was a cool think for EON to do

    What's your issue? I think I already know, but I don't want to presume.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Getafix wrote: »
    Look how the reference to the Mujahadin has aged in tld. Bad decision. Reminiscent of Rambo 3.
    Ineed it has aged because the West's proclivities have changed, as they usually do. That was my point from earlier. Geopolitics are shifting very fast these days - far faster than during the relatively 'stable' cold war of yore. Alliances are being hatched and reneged upon as quickly as one can blink an eye. In such a fast changing environment, it's easy to put a foot wrong, especially given the amount of time it takes to make these films.

    Bond films last forever and are watched forever by multiple generations. They aren't forgotten like other 'classics'. Therefore it's incumbent upon the producers to do their best to ensure their films remain fresh for as long as possible.

    That doesn't mean they can't touch on politics, like they did more recently with North Korea and China during the Brosnan era. They handled it reasonably well in those films by focusing on 'rogues', and I find that's where Bond operates best.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    It could be about Bond returning to the service and retraining with other 00 recruits, gradually getting his mojo back. In the end, Bond clearly orders a "Vodka martini, shaken not stirred" while the James Bond theme proper blares during an actual scene for the first time in a couple decades. Then M unveils a refurbished DB5 and says, "We've been expecting you, Mr. Bond." Cut to gunbarrel.
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    I don't want to linger on this, but politics has always been a part of Bond, in many fantastic ways. Many 60s plots involve a plan to turn nations against the values of each other, and by far the greatest and most powerful aspect of the Moore films is the brave detente the writers created with Gogol and Russia and Bond and his team of the west at a time where EON could've done what others were doing and vilified the Soviets. Out of a time of unrest we got very forward thinking and sensible portrayals like Gogol and Pushkin.

    Even today, politics are always present in Bond, and it makes sense that it would be. Bond is a national agent, after all, and represents a specific world culture that is very traditionalist, as he is. In his job the governments of the world and the politics they express must be intertwined, as it'd be impossible for them not to. It's a scary world, but the films can depict a different side to that fear, and possibly show that for all the unrest in the world stability can be created just as EON were able to show that the Soviets and the west could find common ground in the 70s and 80s in the name of self-preservation.

    Just my piece on this, but like I said, I don't want to linger due to the understandable sensitivities of some users.

    Politics CAN be a part of Bond. In fact some of the best Bond plots were politically motivated. Government cutting the water supply to Bolivia? Coups? Defection? (Political asylum would make for an interesting topic in a Bond film) Perfect Fleming-esque plots.

    HOWEVER what I don't want to see in a Bond film is leftwing or rightwing crap or Trump bashing. Not even a light satire of Trump. Nor do I want to hear about Brexit in a positive or negative light.

    Bond plots should revolve about politics but it should never be opinionated.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    dominicgreene wrote: »
    HOWEVER what I don't want to see in a Bond film is leftwing or rightwing crap or Trump bashing. Not even a light satire of Trump. Nor do I want to hear about Brexit in a positive or negative light.

    Bond plots should revolve about politics but it should never be opinionated.
    Precisely. Well put.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    HOWEVER what I don't want to see in a Bond film is leftwing or rightwing crap or Trump bashing. Not even a light satire of Trump. Nor do I want to hear about Brexit in a positive or negative light.

    Bond plots should revolve about politics but it should never be opinionated.
    Precisely. Well put.
    Seconded.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Well, the opinion on an issue comes through what Bond is fighting against, what side he's on. The series has always kept morals very gray, however, and that's why Bond isn't a typical hero with a shiny set of armor and all the king's men riding off behind him. The world is much more complex than that, and the movies and books take note.
  • RC7RC7
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    Agree too. Bond can not be seen to be politically affiliated.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Bond is far too abrupt and irreverent a person for politics. Thankfully.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    bondjames wrote: »
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    HOWEVER what I don't want to see in a Bond film is leftwing or rightwing crap or Trump bashing. Not even a light satire of Trump. Nor do I want to hear about Brexit in a positive or negative light.

    Bond plots should revolve about politics but it should never be opinionated.
    Precisely. Well put.

    +1
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Agree. The longevity of the franchise has a lot to do with not really taking sides in geopolitical issues. Even the Soviet Union remained unscathed in the 60s and 70s, minus some mild satire. But it is the fact that the baddies were always renegades, traitors, rogues and not the government officials makes it possible to look at the series as something else than (failed?) propaganda and still enjoy it.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I think the US electorate was presented with an unprecedentedly abysmal choice but Bond should rise above this stuff.

    Having said that, Trump is probably an existential threat to the US, whereas Hillary was simply mildly dishonest.

    On the contrary, Trump is America's best hope for survival. In electing him, we derailed--at least temporarily--the suicide train. Brits did the same with Brexit and France is preparing to do likewise with Le Pen.

  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Yes I would agree normally. Only thing is that Trump actually might be a bigger threat to world piece than Dr No.

    When the real world is more outlandish than a Bond movie then where do EON go next?

    What's outlandish is replacing a generally peacable, law-abiding populace with hordes of rapists, terrorists and fellow travelers, and Islamic supremacists. If B25 must go political, let it limn this phenomenon.

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