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You make some good points. Yeah I can see the dollars on the screen for QoS, but in that particular case I felt the director botched the pacing. There's a good half hour of Bondian savoir faire missing from that film.
I guess my point is this - Bond doesn't necessarily need to draw upon epic budgets and high spectacle to succeed.
Narrative tension still wins. Red Grant shadowing Bond in FWRL. Dalton's Bond rushing to get back to Sanchez's villa in LTK. The train sequence from OP.
Savoir faire still wins. Lazenby's Bond stepping out with the golf clubs in OHMSS. Vesper and Bond organizing each other's attire before high stakes poker in CR. Moore ordering dinner with Kristatos in FYEO.
These are the things that cost next to nothing. The current Craig trajectory is too big, too overblown. No one wants that. Not the producers, not the fans. Perhaps P&W allude to this when when they say that things cannot continue in the same vein.
Casino Royale was breathtakingly good at getting the small things right. None of the films since can claim that IMHO.
And yet the filmmakers have extracted as much dramatic meat from Craig's incarnation as the franchise can endure without it becoming vapid.
If the producers saw the writing on the wall in the aftermath of Spectre (pardon the pun), and I think they are professional enough to do that, then the next film with be another FYEO. Scaled down budget. A tighter, narrative-driven thriller that gets the small things right. Here's hoping anyway.
Well said! Post of the day.
Give this man a beer! =D>
Dalton securing opera tickets in TLD.
The things I remember and love.
These tiny elements are missing in the "speeding bullet" of QoS and the "grand spectacle" of Mendes's double.
I think there's a fair few in QOS.
Love the little scene where Bond asks the desk agent to tell Universal Exports that he's going to Cairo, when they ring.
Yes, the wine in FYEO, the questionable champagne in TLD, fresh flowers every day in LTK. John Glen might have been a journey man, he did a great job with at least three of his five Bond films. I think he "got" Bond and only Martin Campbell came close since then.
John Glen was the best thing that happened to Bond in the last 30 or so years. I´m not saying all new Bond films should be as instantaneously recognisable as Bond films, but during the last eight films, much of the energy seems to have gone into lack of self-confidence. Drop bs like the DB5 and make a film that makes sense for itself. Look at Logan and learn.
Jesus Wept. MGM financial woes, Writers strikes. Yet they still managed to get films out. hardly EON or in particular Barbs and Michael's faults. Sell it to a fan. Quality response =D>
Their family made Bond what it is today, nobody works harder or does more to protect the Bond brand. Their last 2 have been the highest grossing in the brands history and the World is on the edge of their seats because the global fan base has increased.
An easier question, what more could Barb and Michael do?
I'm ashamed to say that what has been missing from Bond films for many years is a little Kingsman style & flair, and that is precisely what I expect to see in the next one. Not caricatured, like in the Vaughn directed film, but rather embraced. For that, one needs an actor who can outshine all competitors in the style & finesse dept. One who is infinitely credible on screen as a connoisseur of the finer things in life, while also being convincing as a hardened killer. One also needs a refined & intelligent script.
Imagining we're on a 2 year gap, and say we had got a new film last November....now would pretty much be the time Purvis and Wade would begin treatment for the next film. So November 2018 would still be a possibility.
However- the new information that's come to light that Eon are producing an historical epic at the end of the year does put a rain cloud on the proceedings. I suppose it's possible to be producing a couple projects at once, and the primary focus could be Bond.
It is looking like Bond 25 isn't exactly a priority, and honestly I feel at this point it's probably too late to have the next film be a direct follow up to SP. I have a feeling Purvis and Wade will be brainstorming other ideas.
I think B25 could be about as related to SP as DAF was to OHMSS.
Exactly.
I think some people are living off EoN's history a bit too much. The cinematic contributions of the Bond films can't be denied BUT the landscape of today isn't like it was in the 1960s. Competition is stiff and Bond is no longer the key market player in town. We dont need yet another film that tries to validate the character's existence; just get on with telling a cracking story that people can walk away from and feel excited about.
I have my grievances with the way EoN have been performing these last couple of movies but with SP I can't shake my head enough at the overwhelming dereliction of duty from EoN. They need to dramatically step their game up and start producing properly. Oversight isn't about leaving things to the last minute and then doing some crappy rushed job to meet a deadline. EoN are OGs in the film business they should know better. The way they oversaw SP from the preproduction stage (the crucial stage of any film) can never be repeated again. That was just messy beyond belief.
Furthermore, there are elements in other movies and other franchises that are easily doing what the Bond films should be doing. The entire lift scene through to the stairwell fight tracking shot in the Atomic Blonde trailer had more tension and was more gripping than anything from EoN's last couple of efforts.
They seriously need to ardently refocus their efforts on cutting costs, strip things down, simplify and deliver engaging stories.
Creatively as of late, they've overcomplicated things for themselves unecessarilly and things just feel so subpar. I'm so over the whole circus spectacle of a Bond film's press conference that they always do. Its time to start delivering again on the end product. Bond 25 is going to be the ultimate litmus test and if they mess it up, well that'll just be inexcusable. They have the experience, the clout and material to put out great quality films. Its high time they start doing so.
I'm glad they did what they did with reboot Bond in retrospect because it will always exist as a standalone reinterpretation of the character and his main foe. The Craig era has represented a peeling back of the veneer, and he is/was the right actor to do that with, because he has the requisite machismo to deliver that aspect of the character without coming across like a wuss on screen.
Having said that, I believe it's time to move on. Keep it tight, efficient & engaging next time out. Get a director who's workmanlike, but who knows how to deliver the action & tension, and combine that with traditional Bondian film & novel elements. I don't really care how much gross it makes at the box office. I'm more concerned with the next film re-establishing the credibility of the Bond brand as one to be reckoned with in a hyper-competitive market, like TSWLM, GE & CR all did before them, and after similar long waits.
If they can get a director who will commit to a multi-film contract and vision, I'll be even happier, so we can return to some consistency of output, visual style & concept.
I think the gap between Spectre and B25 will handled simply enough. When Bond was driving away at the end of Spectre, we'll learn he wasn't retiring, merely enjoying an extended holiday for a job well done - no mention of Swann other than ("another one got away") . When we next see Bond, he'll be back on the job - spying, killing, shagging, the usual (hurrah!). The only connection with Spectre will be Blofeld and the Spectre organisation. I expect Blofeld will escape from prison and then do something horrible as an act of revenge, killing someone close to Bond. Bond will have to track him down to some hollowed out volcano / lair to finish him for good. So business as usual then. My one prediction will be that Blofeld will be played by a different actor. And he'll probably be bald.
I like that. Pretty much how I would prefer it to be handled as well. I'm also all for a new Blofeld-bald and classic. Unless the filmmakers went the route of having him made up as described in one of the books, I'd be interested more in a classic Eon Ernst.
Sounds good, also if we don't want to rush it at this point perhaps a 2019 release is better
Looks like I called it exactly a few pages back.
That's the garbage that is known as clickbait.
Amen to that.
I'm a bit uncomfortable with this, for a few reasons:
1) It can be tough to make a 'topical' film that's also a good one. Weaving in hot topics can work to spice up a narrative, but it's not easy. And screenwriting, most of us probably agree, is one area where the franchise has struggled a bit lately (whereas talent both sides of the camera is outstanding).
2) The topical stuff often doesn't age very well. Mujaheddin, anyone?
3) Bond films are ultimately mass-market spy movies, not art house thinkpieces. The topical stuff usually has to get dumbed down and abstracted so that it's not too 'on the nose.' So you end up with something like SP. Ostensibly it's about surveillance, which is a major contemporary concern, but it really did nothing interesting with the topic, and Blofeld might just as well have been trying to control oil or the stock market or nukes or something - no difference to the plot.
Godspeed to them if they can make a movie that does something interesting with contemporary concerns within the timeless Bond framework. But I won't hold my breath, and would be just as happy with a nice stand-alone mission against an old-fashioned villain.
It's like skiing action sequences - we haven't had one in so long, I'm dying for its return, but if the next three or so films incorporated it, it would get a little old.
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