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Had Brosnan done FRWL, he would have done so the minute she was shot dead.
but we will see..
I don't know, there's something not right here. It's been 18 months and all we know officially is that Bond 25 is "in development". I won't be too surprised if it all gets scuppered over the summer and Daniel leaves. It wouldn't be the first time this sort of thing has happened to this franchise.
It could've be more obvious from the look Blofeld gives to Bond and Madeleine on that bridge that it's not over.
No, not what I meant at all. It's not a new or different era of films, it simply makes sense that a series of films that has always had continuity would especially still have it after a film ended the way SP did, opening up a door to explore an idea (Bond in retirement) we've never seen before. Hence what I said about the "chapter" not being over yet.
It's the use of character and how they've visibly developed from the last ones. Bond's demeanor and mention of Vesper in SF tells us this is the same man that had to forgive and forget in the last film, and has had a while to deal with that stage in his life to be the man he is. The way he acts around Severine, very protective and understanding, is how he acted with Vesper when he felt her pain in CR and how he would have acted to her in QoS if she was alive and knew that she was being used by Quantum. We can see in the film that man that was that led to the man that is, and that casino scene is one of many that shows how the past events Bond has experienced with kept women has taught him how to deal with them effectively and compassionately. Without Vesper being used under his nose and causing him to see deeper behind things, who knows if Bond would've acted in such a caring way to Severine, who he otherwise might've been sharp towards to get the information she had. But when he sees her he sees Vesper again and because of that he knows how to handle the situation better. That much is quite obvious.
Continuity isn't just about making random references to buzzwords from the last movies, we do know that, yes? It's about how we can perceive the characters growing from film to film.
The Connery films had this same thing, just to a lesser degree of course. We know that the FRWL plot against the Brits is payback for Dr. No's death, but we don't need a big scene where it's announced and a big deal is made of it. The film just addresses it slightly and lets it play out, knowing the audience can fill in the blanks.
We also see Bond change in how he approaches his work over the films. He starts off completely ignorant to SPECTRE, but over time he is able to spot their work swiftly. By the time YOLT unfolds he knows SPECTRE is behind the shuttle theft from years of learning their methods, which he states to Tanaka openly. Even before that, in TB Bond is outwardly aware of SPECTRE and mocks Largo and co. for their association with the organization. We know that because he survived SPECTRE in FRWL, Bond is pissed and is ready to give it all back to them.
And from DN to YOLT there's moments where a character will make a reference to Bond's history with unraveling SPECTRE's plans, as Largo does, that tell you this is the same spy who performed all those actions. There's a connecting line to the films, but it's not an obvious or overt one and the films know that the people who know them will get it. But the films do show you the characters grow and learn from movie to movie, as the Craig era has done. The Craig era also connects the stories in a much grander scale and does dozens of callbacks every film to the others that the Connery films didn't, simply because they weren't aiming for that much continuity. But it's all there.
@thelivingroyale, there's plenty of factors as to why that is. In comparison to Le Chiffre (who was ready to kill Vesper and had worked with White) and Silva (who wanted to kill M), Greene is pretty meaningless in his effect on Bond's life. That's not to say he's bad, as I like him, but the movie focused on the characters that really did Bond in, and Greene never really did. He is built up as a very meek villain who compensates with tantrums of anger, making him low on the danger level. Bond's real fight was with the likes of White who were present for Vesper's manipulation and knowingly let her act against him despite her wishes. Greene was a Quantum member, yes, but let's not pretend his effect on Bond was anything close to the others and warranted massive exploration.
And even still, the other villains don't get much more of a mention beyond Greene, do they? They (Greene included) get a picture and get named by Blofeld out loud (as does Greene in the same scene, by the way). Le Chiffre and Silva aren't given special treatment. The most important asset was White, who was the bridge for Bond between Quantum and the bigger threat of SPECTRE.
I couldn't agree more with this assessment. It's why I'm a bit optimistic with 'Bond 25' (especially if Mendes doesn't return), for surely there's no way it'll be worse than SP.
I'm still not sure which direction they may take B25, but I doubt it'll be as "obvious" as some on here are making it out to be.
I agree here
I don't know I hope we get something this year I will be very disappointed if nothing still hasn't happened
Succinctly put.
The new Star Wars poster is very good. Nice 70s vibe
They could have a retro poster for the IMAX release, as they did with the masked poster from SP.
I'd say the closest we'd get to that is the base assault from 'Inception,' an obvious love letter to OHMSS.
If Nolan does Bond, it'll probably be a Tom Hardy trilogy of films. Not saying that's likely, or what I'd want necessarily.
My goal isn't to spread some sort of mass-hysteria within the boards, but rather just telling it like it is. Regardless, it's hardly the first time an issue such as this one has hampered a Bond production in recent years. It'll be fine.
Yes, I see from your timeline that it was early march that it was first reported - I just wasn't sure if that was when they were presumed to have begun the writing, or whether it could have been earlier.
This sounds like Sherlock Holmes.
I do feel it's probably likely there has been more progress on the plotting and scripting of the next film that we realize. At least I hope so. Perhaps the strike won't be so bad. The strike of '07/'08 didn't delay production on QoS.
Hopefully they'll have the bare bones (as Craig once said about QoS) of the script finished if the strike happens and that's a big "if" because they'll first have to vote for the authorization of the strike. That will likely be a success but the WGA will use it as leverage to minimize any future 'extortion' by the AMPTP. It's basically a last warning.
If the strike happens (post May 1st), it'll start months of B25 production slowing, either dramatically or all together. But I'm optimistic.