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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    If the new studio deal drags on past winter there's good enough reason for EON to delay Bond 25 till 2019 and it also gives them a convenient excuse to recast (assuming Craig has had enough of the role!). Brosnan to Craig was a four years gap so we may see history repeat itself.

    Is MGM the worst run studio of all time? If people think Donald Trump is bad as president, imagine if the CEO of MGM ran for US president. He'd bankrupt the entire country. :P

    As for that 'Cracked' item, a bit of criticism isn't such a bad thing. Getting stale is one of the problems of long running franchises so a bit of online negativity may keep the producers thinking about new ideas. One advantage of recasting Bond is the sense of freshness it brings to the franchise.

    A sensible, measured post, sir. I think you're right - the series is approaching staleness, if not already there. Devoted fans like us might not feel it quite the same [since we will go and watch a new Bond film pretty much no matter what] but I hearing the same complaints reoccuring when it comes to the current films, and I think it'll take recasting to truly see them off. Most average movie-goers were satisfied with SPECTRE, but there doesn't appear to be much hunger to see what could happen next, were there a story to tell. While the film wasn't poorly received, there has been a feeling since its release that the series has hit another creative bumper, and needs pushing in a new direction - like that article shows.

    Personally, I think that if 2018 becomes clear Daniel will most likely come back, but if late 2019 is the earliest they can make the next Bond, they will probably recast and move on.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited May 2017 Posts: 1,756
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    If the new studio deal drags on past winter there's good enough reason for EON to delay Bond 25 till 2019 and it also gives them a convenient excuse to recast (assuming Craig has had enough of the role!). Brosnan to Craig was a four years gap so we may see history repeat itself.

    Is MGM the worst run studio of all time? If people think Donald Trump is bad as president, imagine if the CEO of MGM ran for US president. He'd bankrupt the entire country. :P

    As for that 'Cracked' item, a bit of criticism isn't such a bad thing. Getting stale is one of the problems of long running franchises so a bit of online negativity may keep the producers thinking about new ideas. One advantage of recasting Bond is the sense of freshness it brings to the franchise.

    A sensible, measured post, sir. I think you're right - the series is approaching staleness, if not already there. Devoted fans like us might not feel it quite the same [since we will go and watch a new Bond film pretty much no matter what] but I hearing the same complaints reoccuring when it comes to the current films, and I think it'll take recasting to truly see them off. Most average movie-goers were satisfied with SPECTRE, but there doesn't appear to be much hunger to see what could happen next, were there a story to tell. While the film wasn't poorly received, there has been a feeling since its release that the series has hit another creative bumper, and needs pushing in a new direction - like that article shows.

    Personally, I think that if 2018 becomes clear Daniel will most likely come back, but if late 2019 is the earliest they can make the next Bond, they will probably recast and move on.

    Well that's the thing, isn't it? They tried going back to appease fans, instead of continuing the trend of change, and we've returned to post DAD stale-ty.

    The series needs young blood and absurd ideas as to where to take Bond.

    It's a tricky thing to balance. You want to appease your fans, yet you want to be original. Force Awakens vs Phantom Menace. I think the latter works when there's a generation long break in-between films, but the latter works better on a consistent basis.


  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Here is the rundown for April:

    April 2017
    ->A rumour surfaces that Purvis and Wade are scouting Cyprus as a possible location for Bond 25, although it's unclear if this is an April Fool's hoax
    -Jeffrey Wright, who played Felix Leiter in both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, sparks rumours that he may return to the franchise after posting a still of his character on Instagram
    ->Negotiations have yet to be reached between the WGA and AMPTP, with a strike authorization vote to commence between the 19 and 24 of April. The Guild plans to go on strike on May 2 if a deal is not yet reached
    ->The New York Times reports that five studios (Sony, Warner Bros, 20th Century Fox, Universal, and Annapurna) are competing for the distribution rights of a one-picture deal, and are putting on pitches in front of Broccoli & Wilson as well as MGM executives
    ->Fanclub Archivo 007 says they have reason to believe that Craig will more than likely return for B25 based on contractual information (possibly Craig's stunt double singing on) let slip by a source at Pinewood Studios
    ->96% of the Writer's Guild's 12,000 members vote for a strike authorization, and will likely use this as leverage when returning to the bargaining table later this month
    ->Dave Bautista tells Metro that he is more than willing to return as Hinx, harkening back to Richard Kiel's double feature as Jaws. "We’re waiting for the news to see if Daniel will sign up for Bond 25, because then there’s a chance that Hinx will come back."
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    If the new studio deal drags on past winter there's good enough reason for EON to delay Bond 25 till 2019 and it also gives them a convenient excuse to recast (assuming Craig has had enough of the role!). Brosnan to Craig was a four years gap so we may see history repeat itself.

    Is MGM the worst run studio of all time? If people think Donald Trump is bad as president, imagine if the CEO of MGM ran for US president. He'd bankrupt the entire country. :P

    As for that 'Cracked' item, a bit of criticism isn't such a bad thing. Getting stale is one of the problems of long running franchises so a bit of online negativity may keep the producers thinking about new ideas. One advantage of recasting Bond is the sense of freshness it brings to the franchise.

    A sensible, measured post, sir. I think you're right - the series is approaching staleness, if not already there. Devoted fans like us might not feel it quite the same [since we will go and watch a new Bond film pretty much no matter what] but I hearing the same complaints reoccuring when it comes to the current films, and I think it'll take recasting to truly see them off. Most average movie-goers were satisfied with SPECTRE, but there doesn't appear to be much hunger to see what could happen next, were there a story to tell. While the film wasn't poorly received, there has been a feeling since its release that the series has hit another creative bumper, and needs pushing in a new direction - like that article shows.

    Personally, I think that if 2018 becomes clear Daniel will most likely come back, but if late 2019 is the earliest they can make the next Bond, they will probably recast and move on.

    Well that's the thing, isn't it? They tried going back to appease fans, instead of continuing the trend of change, and we've returned to post DAD stale-ty.

    The series needs young blood and absurd ideas as to where to take Bond.

    It's a tricky thing to balance. You want to appease your fans, yet you want to be original. Force Awakens vs Phantom Menace. I think the latter works when there's a generation long break in-between films, but the latter works better on a consistent basis.
    It's a good point that you make about formula working better if there's a long gap, as there was with GE for instance, or TFA. As I've mentioned on another thread, the feeling I got when I watched TFA for the first time was identical to how I felt all those years ago when I first watched GE. In a nutshell, I felt like an old friend had returned after a long absence & I was ecstatic to see him/her back.

    Having said that, both these films (GE & TFA) are perfectly executed formula. They tug in all the right places. Some of it is obvious perhaps, but they get the big stuff right. They are essentially good pastiche, full of vibrant lively characters and passion. You can tell that they were made with dedication and care.

    When there isn't that big gap between films, then perhaps formula could get predictable as you note. I think in these instances it can still be incorporated, but it must be done sparsely, and must flow organically from the narrative. There's nothing to stop Bond getting his girl, killing the bad guy (who inevitably makes the same old mistake of not killing Bond when he has the chance), performing death defying stunts and saving the world in any film. The stories just have to make sense and have consequence both to the viewers and the characters in the film. The mood must be right and any throwbacks to the past must be kept to a minimum, or if revisited, must be incorporated deftly so as not to draw immediate attention to the fact. It's ok to realize after a couple of viewings that one is essentially watching a retread (after one has accepted the characters and absorbed the film as its own entity), but it shouldn't be obvious right away. Similar to any good twist, the viewer can't see it too early.

    With formula, it's not so much what you do as much as it is how you do it.

    I don't think P&W are capable of doing formula without it being terribly obvious. That's where my concern arises.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I'm happy with P&W.
    I don't want Hinx back, though I liked him okay.
    Dan shall return as Bond.
    I want either David Arnold back or a new composer.

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    Sigh... With all the focus on hiring star actors, directors, glamorous locations and fancy cars we get with each film, I find it so frustrating that we always end up with those second rate script writers! There has to be some talented writers who would relish the opportunity and challenge it is to work on a Bond script, doesn't it? And then we end up with the same duo every time, that the vast community of Bond fans in general agree are not up for the task. What do Barbara and Michael see in P&W? I really don't know why they were hired in the first place and I for sure don't comprehend how they could be given the honour of working on their 7th consecutive (!!) Bond film by now!

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Perhaps the possibility of Craig's return for a fifth has assisted in the crew wanting some familiarity in the writing department; I could easily see them getting some fresh, young blood in when a new actor takes over, but I won't hold my breath.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Perhaps the possibility of Craig's return for a fifth has assisted in the crew wanting some familiarity in the writing department; I could easily see them getting some fresh, young blood in when a new actor takes over, but I won't hold my breath.

    @Creasy47, I definitely think yet another sign of Craig's return is the P&W involvement. If you were doing a Craig Bond film, picking the two that've been there every step of the way and know the story to conclude it seems logical to me. I don't see them being picked to script a new Bond, as I get the feeling that post-Craig they are out completely, as was the original plan after SF.

    I definitely want fresh blood with the new Bond, though, on principle. It's just hard with this series, as some departments don't fluctuate by habit. Look at how long Barry, Adam, Maibaum, Lamont and all the other familiars stayed on. Like a true family, the Bond producers don't like seeing many go. So this attachment characteristic isn't a fresh phenomenon that started with P&W, but more a trait of the entire franchise history, for better (the above) or worse.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited May 2017 Posts: 40,976
    Negotiations have resumed with the WGA, with the contract expiring midnight tonight:

    http://deadline.com/2017/04/amptp-offers-to-boost-wga-health-plan-payments-1202080000/

    @jake24, that article was posted last night, if you care at all to add it to the April 2017 rundown.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Will do, @Creasy47. I'll have it added at some point today.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    "Film Stars Don't Die in Liverpool", the film Barbara Broccoli is producing is set for an autumn 2017 release.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Thanks for That, @Red_Snow. By the way, when Craig promotes "Logan Lucky" is August, expect him to be bombarded with Bond questions.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Thanks for That, @Red_Snow. By the way, when Craig promotes "Logan Lucky" is August, expect him to be bombarded with Bond questions.

    Though, given the size of the all star cast, he may not do a lot of press for it.

    "Kings" on the other hand has Bond written all over the press tour.

    Hopefully, we will have some news by then, and not have to put up with a standard stock answer to every Bond question.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Negotiations have resumed with the WGA, with the contract expiring midnight tonight:

    http://deadline.com/2017/04/amptp-offers-to-boost-wga-health-plan-payments-1202080000/

    @jake24, that article was posted last night, if you care at all to add it to the April 2017 rundown.

    Midnight tonight? That's just hours from now! And suddenly things become interesting! :D
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    I hope so, I see they also have another project at present http://deadline.com/2017/04/neal-purvis-robert-wade-writing-i-am-victor-movie-baltasar-kormakur-jo-nesbo-1202060728/

    If this is true "source told the New York Post newspaper's Page Six column: "Daniel was very pleased with how 'Othello' went and the great reviews. Now Daniel's talks with Barbara are going in the right direction.

    "They have a script - screenwriting duo Neal Purvis and Robert Wade [who've penned several Bond movies] are writing and they'll go into production as soon as Daniel is ready to commit."


    Then they already have the bulk down.


    Hmm. . . not that I expect every commentator to get into the weeds on distribution deals and writers' strikes, but that makes several people now (Harris, Bautista, this article, etc) who seem have indicated that the sticking point is still Craig making his mind up.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    octofinger wrote: »
    I hope so, I see they also have another project at present http://deadline.com/2017/04/neal-purvis-robert-wade-writing-i-am-victor-movie-baltasar-kormakur-jo-nesbo-1202060728/

    If this is true "source told the New York Post newspaper's Page Six column: "Daniel was very pleased with how 'Othello' went and the great reviews. Now Daniel's talks with Barbara are going in the right direction.

    "They have a script - screenwriting duo Neal Purvis and Robert Wade [who've penned several Bond movies] are writing and they'll go into production as soon as Daniel is ready to commit."


    Then they already have the bulk down.


    Hmm. . . not that I expect every commentator to get into the weeds on distribution deals and writers' strikes, but that makes several people now (Harris, Bautista, this article, etc) who seem have indicated that the sticking point is still Craig making his mind up.

    Yeah, crazy right?
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    ‘Bond 25’: Why The Next Director Could Be Indie
    indiewire.com/2017/05/james-bond-25-directors-eon-indie-paul-mcguigan-1201810462/

    Word is, the producers are so pleased with”Film Stars Don’t Die in Liverpool,” directed by Scotsman Paul McGuigan (“Sherlock,” “Lucky Number Slevin,” “Victor Frankenstein”), that he too is under consideration. Annette Bening stars as actress Gloria Grahame, who falls in love with a young actor (Jamie Bell).
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Well we can put those Jamie Bell as Bond rumors to rest and bury them six feet under.
  • edited May 2017 Posts: 4,409
    Is this the least inspiring rumour ever: Paul McGuigan has emerged as leading contender for 'Bond 25' directing gig:
    PaulMcGuigan.jpg
    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/05/james-bond-25-directors-eon-indie-paul-mcguigan-1201810462/

    Indiewire have a lot of credibility - eg; they recently broke the news that Martin Scorcese was taking his next film to Netflix.

    This is really the kind of dull and reliable pair of hands that the producers would have hiredin the Brosnan days. The choice seems a little tepid, espeically since we were previously getting ourselves excited with suggestions of Steven Soderbergh and Nicholas Winding Refn.

    McGuigan is uninspiring and flat. But I think he's got the job.


    UPDATE: Done some digging online and McGuigan had this say about almost geyying the CR directing gig:

    So, too, he aims one day to stamp his mark on the James Bond franchise, having come close to directing Daniel Craig in his debut as 007. “I was down to the last two for Casino Royale,” he says. “Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson [the producers] had asked if I would be interested, and I’ve always been a major fan of Bond. But I think because they were bringing in a new Bond, they didn’t want another unknown factor in me. I still haven’t given up on that dream. I’ve given up on the dream of scoring the winning goal for Celtic in the European Cup final, but Bond is one thing I want to try and achieve.”

    http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/culture/film/interview-paul-mcguigan-film-and-tv-director-1-2331295
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    Hmm. . . if McGuigan can be said to have any 'indie' cachet, I can imagine that that might resonate with Craig. My feeling is that he wants to make a bit more of an artistic statement, and with his producer's credit, to have a bit of control, too.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The 'Sherlock' episodes that McGuigan directed were great, but the likes of 'Lucky Number Slevin' and 'Victor Frankenstein' aren't inspiring confidence for him to helm a Bond film.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    The 'Sherlock' episodes that McGuigan directed were great, but the likes of 'Lucky Number Slevin' and 'Victor Frankenstein' aren't inspiring confidence for him to helm a Bond film.

    Lucky Number Slevin was good.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    The 'Sherlock' episodes that McGuigan directed were great, but the likes of 'Lucky Number Slevin' and 'Victor Frankenstein' aren't inspiring confidence for him to helm a Bond film.

    Lucky Number Slevin was good.

    Caught it once, had a solid twist but was otherwise forgettable.

    On the other hand, I DID say I'd force myself to be happy with whoever was hired as long as it isn't Mendes.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    The 'Sherlock' episodes that McGuigan directed were great, but the likes of 'Lucky Number Slevin' and 'Victor Frankenstein' aren't inspiring confidence for him to helm a Bond film.

    Lucky Number Slevin was good.

    Caught it once, had a solid twist but was otherwise forgettable.

    On the other hand, I DID say I'd force myself to be happy with whoever was hired as long as it isn't Mendes.

    Hehe, gotta keep them promises. ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    "Kings" on the other hand has Bond written all over the press tour.
    With Berry in the cast, yes it does. I can just see the questions now.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Hinx I hope returns with some dry humerous humour as Bautista is more than capable as we have seen in GOTG 2 where I do believe he stole the movie for me!

    As for the writer's strike? It has been playing on Sky News today what will be hit first....etc. I am not holding ou much hope for a resolution before the deadline?
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    Wait how is the title of this not changed we have a potential director for bond 25 plus I am excited by this as at least this means no amended and possibly no Newman for bond 25 hmm writers now a potential director and 5 studios competing for distribution

    How am I the only one excited that the wheels on Bond 25 are finally moving?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Wait how is the title of this not changed we have a potential director for bond 25 plus I am excited by this as at least this means no amended and possibly no Newman for bond 25 hmm writers now a potential director and 5 studios competing for distribution

    How am I the only one excited that the wheels on Bond 25 are finally moving?

    They're rumors, and the article is brand new. I'm sure @bondjames will get around to it when he can, not sure why the title alteration is significant when the news is still being discussed.
  • edited May 2017 Posts: 12,837
    I'd be quite happy with him. Loved his Sherlock episodes. For me though, Gareth Evans would be my number one choice for a new Bond, while if Craig comes back for one more I'd like for them to get Mendes or Campbell back to finish his era off. George Miller is another that I'd like to see take a crack at it.

    And I know this will never happen, but if Craig is out and they have to start a search for a new actor, a dream for me would be a one off Tarantino/Brosnan Bond to fill the gap (basically just give free reign to him while they settle on a new actor and direction for the series).
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