No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    I've never heard of McGuigan before, but he's not Mendes, so I'll take him.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    McGuigan directed two of the best Sherlock episodes. So, I'm very likely to be overtly impressed with his Bond. I wish it's true.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    McGuigan directed two of the best Sherlock episodes. So, I'm very likely to be overtly impressed with his Bond. I wish it's true.

    Never seen Sherlock, but any remotely competent director is better than Mendes in my book.
  • Thank goodness the strike was resolved before it began. Hopefully this means full speed ahead and legitimate B25 news sooner rather than later.

    Re: Paul McGuigan...hiring a "brass tacks" action flick director (and especially one who isn't a "name") would be a surprising yet not at all unwelcome move from the producers. They've hired a wide range of director types in the past, from those who've been more known for their action directing to those more familiar with human drama.

    I'm not personally familiar with any of the film work of Paul McGuigan, but I will say this much in his favor: the man has previously worked with David Arnold on four episodes of Sherlock...
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Ok, the timeline has been updated. Apologies for the delay.
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    I called McGuigan being looked at months ago. If he does get the job Babs wont give him the creatie control he gave Mendes IMO.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I called McGuigan being looked at months ago. If he does get the job Babs wont give him the creatie control he gave Mendes IMO.
    Thank goodness!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Thank goodness the strike was resolved before it began. Hopefully this means full speed ahead and legitimate B25 news sooner rather than later.

    Re: Paul McGuigan...hiring a "brass tacks" action flick director (and especially one who isn't a "name") would be a surprising yet not at all unwelcome move from the producers. They've hired a wide range of director types in the past, from those who've been more known for their action directing to those more familiar with human drama.

    I'm not personally familiar with any of the film work of Paul McGuigan, but I will say this much in his favor: the man has previously worked with David Arnold on four episodes of Sherlock...

    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I forgot about the Arnold connection there. Very true.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Thank goodness the strike was resolved before it began. Hopefully this means full speed ahead and legitimate B25 news sooner rather than later.

    Re: Paul McGuigan...hiring a "brass tacks" action flick director (and especially one who isn't a "name") would be a surprising yet not at all unwelcome move from the producers. They've hired a wide range of director types in the past, from those who've been more known for their action directing to those more familiar with human drama.

    I'm not personally familiar with any of the film work of Paul McGuigan, but I will say this much in his favor: the man has previously worked with David Arnold on four episodes of Sherlock...

    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I forgot about the Arnold connection there. Very true.

    As Craig gets more expensive, they have to cut costs somewhere...
  • echo wrote: »
    Thank goodness the strike was resolved before it began. Hopefully this means full speed ahead and legitimate B25 news sooner rather than later.

    Re: Paul McGuigan...hiring a "brass tacks" action flick director (and especially one who isn't a "name") would be a surprising yet not at all unwelcome move from the producers. They've hired a wide range of director types in the past, from those who've been more known for their action directing to those more familiar with human drama.

    I'm not personally familiar with any of the film work of Paul McGuigan, but I will say this much in his favor: the man has previously worked with David Arnold on four episodes of Sherlock...

    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I forgot about the Arnold connection there. Very true.

    As Craig gets more expensive, they have to cut costs somewhere...

    Lol. Yes, I'm sure Arnold will be willing to work within a reasonable budget for Bond. I don't know that film composers in general demand the kinds of bucks that actors do, however. Maybe if you're John Williams or Hans Zimmer you do. Still, I think they're a modestly compensated profession.
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    a person who didn't want to be so focused on putting their unique stamp on the franchise in a very auteur way.
    My main problem with Mendes (especially when it comes to Spectre) was exactly that he was NOT focused enough on putting his unique stamp on the franchise. He was focused on making the most Bondian Bond movie ever. If he does end up returning for a third movie, I will be hoping that he will deliver a Sam Mendes film.
  • NSGWNSGW London
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    I've never heard of McGuigan before, but he's not Mendes, so I'll take him.

    +1 I think even the bigger Mendes fans would agree a change is due. Is there anyone actually on here that would really love to see Mendes return to complete a trilogy, and is so why? And what would you like his approach to be this time?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    a person who didn't want to be so focused on putting their unique stamp on the franchise in a very auteur way.
    My main problem with Mendes (especially when it comes to Spectre) was exactly that he was NOT focused enough on putting his unique stamp on the franchise. He was focused on making the most Bondian Bond movie ever. If he does end up returning for a third movie, I will be hoping that he will deliver a Sam Mendes film.

    I think an overwhelming number would agree that Sam Mendesed all over those films. I count myself as more of a fan than most here, but his films were very atypical Bond films in major ways, hence my comment about him stamping his mark all over the place. He worked with the Bond elements, sure, but those films aren't geared to be regular old Bond movies. Most here don't want him dead and gone for no reason...
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    a person who didn't want to be so focused on putting their unique stamp on the franchise in a very auteur way.
    My main problem with Mendes (especially when it comes to Spectre) was exactly that he was NOT focused enough on putting his unique stamp on the franchise. He was focused on making the most Bondian Bond movie ever. If he does end up returning for a third movie, I will be hoping that he will deliver a Sam Mendes film.

    Bravo @PanchitoPistoles

    My feelings exactly.

    With SF, it was clear that Mendes had an agenda. Bond was just the vessel for him to express it. He wanted to make his own film, and we are left with something that was wholly distinct. Not only was SF hermetically sealed but it worked within the broader brushstrokes of the series. It's a singular piece of filmmaking in a franchise that often celebrates homogenisation and tradition.

    SP was Mendes' attempt to make a 'Bond film' - he was cutting loose and following the formula. With SF he was challenging himself. He was asking important questions about class, nationality, middle-age, relevancy, etc. But with SP, he wanted a paycheck.

    If he comes back - and I hope he does - let's hope he strips it down. He ditches the emphasis on background characters. No Madeline, no MI6 subplots, just focus on Bond (just like how CR did).

    Mendes would make a brilliant character piece about an old spy on his last mission, especially in a post Brexit/Trump world. That's a tantalising proposition for Bond 25.

    He currently has numerous films in development:

    Beautiful Ruins (Nothing heard on this for a long while)
    James and the Giant Peach (Once again, it's been quiet, but with his theatre background, I can imagine him wanting to move on this one.
    My favourite Thing is Monsters (Probably the most interesting of the three)

    He's just about to open The Ferryman in London (written by SP's Jez Butterworth) - could Babs convince them to both com back for Bond 25?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    That is the strangest thing I've heard in a long time. I have nothing against a return from Mendes (I just want to be able to see a new damn Bond film soon rather than later), but why in the hell would Mendes return for a 3rd film if he didn't continue the plot points of SP? What is the logic in your suggestion? Of all directors that you want to direct B25 that doesn't carry on the events of SP, you chose the very director that actually made SP?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I assumed that the reasons people didn't want Mendes back is because he had the audacity to actually say some things about Bond his world in a way that was too academia inspired for some. If SP was his Bond movie and people hated it, why would they want him back again? SF was dissed for being too smart for its own britches, and SP for apparently not being smart at all (not my view, but what I've heard), so I don't see these calls for big message films or character studies as the Mendes of SF brought out. All I read daily are calls for standard Bond films that follow formula and that don't go outside the boxes in any staggering ways, with little exploration of Bond the man, or the other characters. Mendes was not that, in any respect.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree that SF was a Sam Mendes film and it was better for it. Whether it's a good Bond film is a different question, but from my perspective it is a very entertaining film with rich characters. Something quite unique in the Bond canon. They botched elements of this story twice according to some. Once with TMWTGG (I disagree here) and secondly with TWINE (here I agree wholeheartedly). Mendes was the man to do this type of film justice.

    He should never have attempted to make a more formulaic Bond film though. He doesn't have a clue, and neither do P&W imho.

    So if he does come back (and I'm definitely open to it) he should stick to what he knows, and not try to cloak it in formula that he, Tweedledee & Tweedledum & the lead actor cannot properly deliver without it being obvious and inauthentic.

    However, as @DaltonCraig007 says, it doesn't make sense for Mendes to return and not continue his story. As I've mentioned before, I believe Craig means Mendes and vice versa. I still think that's how it's going to play out despite rumours of late.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I'd be very surprised, if not downright shocked, if Mendes touched Bond with a ten foot pole again. The last experience didn't seem like a fun one for him. Logan cocking around, the Sony leaks that blasted him and his team to the wind, the studio pressures that rushed the production out and restrained him, and the obvious burden he had to live up to SF, a fool's errand.

    I think SP's production and what he went through well put him off of going down that road again.
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    my dislike of Mendes has less to do with the brother thing (an issue that many I assume have with Mendes/ spectre which again we had this brother thing in this small independent film called Goldeneye that I think only I saw and maybe a few others) but 3 specific things

    1. His love of S word titles: maybe I am being unfair here and I figured I would start with this perhaps it was coincidental that both his films were one word S titles or maybe this EON playing it safe due to the back lash of usuing a Fleming title in 2008 ( again I buy Wilson's reasoning for usuing Quantum of Solace and that Bond needs that post Vesper heck if Fleming were alive in 08 I think he would of agreed clearly I am the only one who listened to Wilson during the announcement but oh well) still it's getting boring and that is not how I should feel when they announce the new title I should be intrigued excited but if Mendes came back and Bond 25 is Shatterhand I will only feel boredom.

    2. Poor use of music: Again Newman is Mendes's guy and I feel he doesn't work plus both title songs have been the same wish washy depressing nature I get it times are tough both sides of the political spectrum are upset blah blah blah I want fun bombastic music hell Nixon and Vietnam were going on and we got two of the most fun bond themes live and let die and the man with the golden gun ( and rock is not dead so they could hire Muse or hell Rush to do the theme)

    3. Too much of an ignorance of what worked in the first two films: ok skyfall was going to be Craig's Goldfinger ok then spectre comes along and says wait no they were all part of Spectre and I'm like what? Quantum as a sequel to casino has its flaws and makes some retroactive changes to Royale (if Guy Haines was a quantum member in Royale I doubt he would of had Bond at the table against Le Chiffe but instead a worse card player) but with Spectre the changes feel sloppy and kind of weird we still aren't given an explanation of what happened to Quantum and why they changed their name (yes I know in the original script once the name was leaked White and Blofeld changed the name based on their old army unit) but we weren't told that and Characters in both films I feel are either Overplayed (Silvia for example) or underplayed (Mr. white in spectre which is a shame as he was the best thing of the Craig era)

    Add to that the constant theme of family which doesn't work here and yeah Mendes shouldn't return that being said if we got Sam Mendes presents Shatterhand I wouldn't complain to much as well both skyfall and spectre sit comfortably in the middle of my ranking are they as good as Casino Royale License to kill Quantum of Solace or From Russia with love no but they aren't as bad as Moonraker either.

    I don't know anything about Paul Mcguin's work and I don't need to I didn't know anything about Campbell pre Goldeneye or Royale (besides Goldeneye and Zorro) and heck in my youth I championed Adrian Paul and Wes Craven to direct (ah the joys and innocence of youth) so I am willing to give this guy a chance and see what story he is willing to tell but if this is all BS and it is Mendes again I will go through the motions and say Ah well we are doing this or that again when the beats come up (another s word title another bland pop artist doing a slow paced depressing song etc)
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Bring back Martin Campbell.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I don' think that necessarily that Craig's return is down to Mendes, in fact I think he'd like a change, I don't think that SPECTRE was an entirely pleasurable experience for him and Mendes possibly had a hand in that.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Everything that I'm reading is pointing to quite a new direction, that's true. P&W's earlier comments, the possible one off distributor deal (with a smaller house in the game) and the rumours of an Indie director.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    I don' think that necessarily that Craig's return is down to Mendes, in fact I think he'd like a change, I don't think that SPECTRE was an entirely pleasurable experience for him and Mendes possibly had a hand in that.

    Well, Dan called the shoot more fun than all his other Bond films combined. We could argue the truth of the statement, but he's been up front about that many times post-SP. With Mendes, however, I don't get a sense of fulfillment. He had the distinct problem of being forced by the world to go beyond SF too, which had already garnered praise that often got too lofty. Add that to working within a studio system with the cooks over at Sony, and you've got a tense work environment. Mendes also had his slip-ups too, like his poor oversight of budget allocation that caused even more studio issues like those above.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    From what I recall from the script leaks, Sony were the ones who were on the ball, advising that the third act was a shambles early on.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    From what I recall from the script leaks, Sony were the ones who were on the ball, advising that the third act was a shambles early on.
    Agreed. London shouldn't have been included in the finale. It should have been entirely focused in Blofeld's lair.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    From what I recall from the script leaks, Sony were the ones who were on the ball, advising that the third act was a shambles early on.
    Agreed. London shouldn't have been included in the finale. It should have been entirely focused in Blofeld's lair.

    Either that or they should have started again from scratch.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Yep!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    From what I recall from the script leaks, Sony were the ones who were on the ball, advising that the third act was a shambles early on.

    It would've been impossible for even them to avoid having some notable suggestions, but I never get the sense that they ever truly know what they get themselves into. It's like getting a bunch of bean counters to draft and paint a mural, or an accountant to fix a leaky sink. They lack the tools for the specific trade. I wouldn't want anyone advising on a Bond script other than people who actually know what they're talking about. With Sony, I never feel this is the case.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    What's next on EON's agenda? The historical war film? It's amazing to me how Mission Impossible films are consistently being released, yet we're still at a stalemate on Bond. I really hope we hear something official by mid-summer, but I'm still predicting we won't hear squat before the year is up. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    What's next on EON's agenda? The historical war film? It's amazing to me how Mission Impossible films are consistently being released, yet we're still at a stalemate on Bond. I really hope we hear something official by mid-summer, but I'm still predicting we won't hear squat before the year is up. Hopefully I'm wrong.

    There is still no IMDB listing for that historical war film.
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