No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited June 2017 Posts: 4,514
    If Bond 25 can do that with going back to that faild element of Casino Royale and link this with Mr White, Greene & Vesper and in Bond 26 with Blofeld and end everthing with real treat of Daniel era in Bond 26.

    There did nothing with that money/weapen, water story and painting set up and it time to finish that. We know lechieve makes money, trust be inportent and have people every where. There hinting to real story, but not show it. In Spectre we get a bit of show/finaly a bit with the new bulding (read: copy!) in Marocco. That's the only like of return of DB5, how easy it be to make copy or two (Three in total!).
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    echo wrote: »
    Blofeld as an African warlord would have been a lot better than what we got.

    For Bond 25, if Blofeld comes back, I hope they kill him off. They can always bring on a descendant in a future film a la For Special Services.

    Exactly. Kill him and bury him just about as deep as the Titanic, let him rest for at least one decade and hope the audience forget about the SP catastrophe with its neurotic step brother claiming to be Blofeld.
  • edited June 2017 Posts: 19,339
    echo wrote: »
    Blofeld as an African warlord would have been a lot better than what we got.

    For Bond 25, if Blofeld comes back, I hope they kill him off. They can always bring on a descendant in a future film a la For Special Services.

    Now that I would love to see..there is so much good material in John Gardner's Bond novels....Bond films just waiting to happen.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Both Gardner's and Benson's novels are rich with wonderful ideas.
  • JeffreyJeffrey The Netherlands
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    Both Gardner's and Benson's novels are rich with wonderful ideas.

    Would EON have to buy the rights to those stories in order to use them (or segments of the stories)?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Both Gardner's and Benson's novels are rich with wonderful ideas.

    Would EON have to buy the rights to those stories in order to use them (or segments of the stories)?
    Yes, I believe so.
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    I don't think there would be a problem with John Gardner's family.They are lovely people and even asked me to speak at his funeral as a big fan of his books,but I couldn't make it.(My daughter had cancer and dates clashed).

    So I think they would be willing to deal with EON for John's books to be filmed.
  • edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    In the past I've understood that EON just wanted to limit themselves to the Fleming material. But given how awful most of their new plotlines have been over recent years, I'd now say they need to cast the net wider. If there are good non-Fleming plotlines and story ideas available in these continuation books may be EON need to tap into them. EON have made it evidently clear that their own creative cupboards and bare.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Precisely.
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    octofinger wrote: »
    Actually, you know nothing of me beyond what appears on this board. In point of fact, I would relish the opportunity to speak my mind directly to your face and dare you to do something about it. You wouldn't be the first. At any rate though, nice job of putting to rest, for once and for all that "stereotype" of the violent negro!

    As to the rationality or "irrationality" of my beliefs, by all means disprove them. You cannot because you know I'm right, and that is what terrifies you. The evidence and the facts are all on my side. On your side are timorous victimology and attitude.

    As to the supposed incommensurability of what you call "racism" and intelligence, up until the last 50 years virtually every intellectual of note was what today's "intelligentsia" would term a racist. However, we live in a puritanical and draconian age in which the statement of patent truths can easily ruin one's life. And it has happened many times.

    And yes, you are a racist. Tell me something--how much diversity is enough? At which point would you cry, "No more! No more!" If you're being honest with yourself, you would acknowledge that you'd never say such a thing because you are basically a parasite. And parasites are never satiated until they, along with the host, perish.

    Ok big guy, we get it. You're a persecuted ubermensch beset on all sides by "violent negroes." Now can you take your 1930s cabaret act somewhere else? You're really making this place smell like shit.

    Thanks @octofinger for apparently being one of the only other people on this board to care but he won't go and he'll never be banned either. Notice mods how Khan is now using outdated/derogatory terms. Still doesn't matter though. We've had this before and those who actually called him out were accused of a "character assassination" of such a valued and respected member of the community. Well I see where I stand. What a fucking joke (oops, I swore, which usually gets picked up on for being against the rules, shame racism doesn't).

    Yes Khan, up until the last 50 years (i.e, where civil rights actually became a thing in your country) I'm sure your views would have been a lot more common and regarded as the intelligent viewpoint. The world was a lot less civilised a place back then. And no, don't worry, I've got no intention of starting some mass uprising against the civilised whites and eradicating your race from existence. I've been trying desperately not to pull the "I have lots of x friends" card but I think if I really was a racist I wouldn't be married to a white woman. Suppose if you had your way that still wouldn't be legal in your country.

    Not sure where you got the idea I was a violent person from? And yes that is a stereotype. One that's been amplified by the lack of opportunities in poverty stricken areas (ghettos) in your country. We have similar issues with gangs over here but there's plenty of white people involved too. Doesn't mean all whites are violent people.
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yes I can live with Harris. Didn't like her role in SF at all but SP was relatively okay.

    I am also reasonably happy with her if she could:
    a) stay behind her desk
    b) say her lines a bit more naturally instead of forcing everything a bit.

    And stop that wanky 'cheeky/flirty' music that accompanies her scenes with Bond. I'm hoping, given that we've surely seen the last of Newman, that this is something I don't need to worry about any more.

    I've never picked up on it before but you'te right that music is very annoying. It might be why I find Harris so forced and wooden in the role actually.

    I've come to the conclusion that we don't really need Moneypenny. Not in every film anyway. Q has an important role and they've found the perfect guy to play him in Wishaw but with Moneypenny she's pretty pointless anyway and they've been struggling since Lois left (I quite liked Samantha Bond though, she had good chemistry with Brosnan). I think she should be relegated to more of an occasional presence, like Tanner used to be.

    Good point re Wishaw,i agree with that,and Moneypenny is becoming pretty superfluous and pointless indeed.

    They need to reduce her back and give her the same screen time as Lois and Samantha had,then you notice them more not less.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Moneypenny, Q and M all three are very much needed and they should stay for every film. But, they should serve as background noises rather than try to gain some spotlight. M in his office, Moneypenny at her desk typing some stuff, and Q is in his lab making gadgets. That's all.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    They need to get rid of either Tanner or MP and have them fill the role Villiers had in CR. He wasn't an intrusion and could have been a role Tanner or MP could have filled. Let's strip this back.
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    While we're on the subject of Q and MP, can I just say that I really hope that Wishaw is kept on even if there's another reboot. I was actually very skeptical about his casting, I didn't like the idea of a young geeky Q, but he's turned into possibly my favourite thing about the Craig films. He's perfect and could potentially play the role until he's as old as Desmond was. It'd be a crime if they restricted him to the Craig era imo. If Dench got kept on despite the change in continuity then he definitely should.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I want to see Idris Elba as a Bond villain. On every level, he would make a great adversary for Craig's Bond. and what a climatic fight that could be.

    Agreed. Going back to the African Warlord for a second; ditch the whole he's Blofeld rubbish and that would have been a great angle. Has anyone else seen Beasts of no nation? What a phenomenal film. Elba killed in that and if EoN did decide to tell a Bond film with an African Warlord as the main villain, casting Elba will only punctuate a casting coup.

    Yeah I thought that was a really interesting angle for a villain, it just isn't Blofeld at all. I'd love to see that idea.

    Can he have a pet hawk too? Seems random but Renard had one in early drafts of TWINE that gouged out the eyes of his enemies and henchman who disappointed him and I'm honestly shocked that the idea never found its way into another film. Seems like a cool gimmick.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    While we're on the subject of Q and MP, can I just say that I really hope that Wishaw is kept on even if there's another reboot..
    Agreed. In fact, he's the only one I want them to keep on.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Moneypenny, Q and M all three are very much needed and they should stay for every film. But, they should serve as background noises rather than try to gain some spotlight. M in his office, Moneypenny at her desk typing some stuff, and Q is in his lab making gadgets. That's all.

    Agreed. They're really not much more than bit parts, but they help to flesh out MI6, and the way Bond interacts with each of them gives us incite into him as a character, before the mission gets going.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    While we're on the subject of Q and MP, can I just say that I really hope that Wishaw is kept on even if there's another reboot..
    Agreed. In fact, he's the only one I want them to keep on.

    Same really. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be annoyed if Fiennes and Harris stayed on, but I can't say I really care either way. Harris is a brilliant actress but I've never been a fan of her in the role. Fiennes is very, very good, loved his "licence not to kill" speech, but I don't think it'd be the end of the world if they recast.

    In fact if the Craig era does end up being its own self contained thing like Nolan's Batman (definitely think that's what they tried to do with SP, give the era a clear ending) it might be good if they recast those two so it's clear that the next guy is a reboot and it isn't too confusing to the general audience. Wishaw should stay no matter what though.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    They need to get rid of either Tanner or MP and have them fill the role Villiers had in CR. He wasn't an intrusion and could have been a role Tanner or MP could have filled. Let's strip this back.

    Indeed. I'd say they should only appear each for about 3 minutes in B25.
    Moneypenny just prior to what used to be a traditional scene in which 007 is briefed what his next assignment will be. Tanner can appear in the office in that scene with M. On second thought, let's ditch Tanner and have the Ministry of Defence present for Bond's briefing instead.
  • edited June 2017 Posts: 676
    I'd like to see Whishaw, Fiennes and Harris stay on. Whishaw has been a great asset in the Craig films, and I think Fiennes' M has tons of potential. As for Harris, I mostly would just like some continuity from here on out... If they were to recast, I imagine they'd feel obliged to make a big deal out of reintroducing the characters. We don't need to see another Moneypenny origin story or whatever.

    Tanner, however, can GTFO.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited June 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Moneypenny, Q and M all three are very much needed and they should stay for every film. But, they should serve as background noises rather than try to gain some spotlight. M in his office, Moneypenny at her desk typing some stuff, and Q is in his lab making gadgets. That's all.

    Agreed. They're really not much more than bit parts, but they help to flesh out MI6, and the way Bond interacts with each of them gives us incite into him as a character, before the mission gets going.
    Exactly. That's how I want them to be.

    And other than Fiennes, and maybe Naomie Harris, I do hope we lose the rest of the "scooby gang".

    I mean, what about Keeley Hawes as Moneypenny? Seriously, she's born to play that part.

    As for Q, there are several suggestions more convenient than Whishaw will ever be. Ian MacShane for example would be a perfect Major Boothroyd, and damn he's charismatic. Why not go down that route?

    Don't care about Tanner whether he exists or doesn't. I only liked Michael Kitchen's Tanner, anyway, and James Villiers to an extent who would have been a better M than Tanner.
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    Ian MacShane for example would be a perfect Major Boothroyd, and damn he's charismatic. Why not go down that route?
    Might be worth noting that McShane is 74. I would love to see him in a villain role instead.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    On second thought, let's ditch Tanner
    Milovy wrote: »
    Tanner, however, can GTFO.
    Don't care about Tanner whether he exists or doesn't.

    Gentlemen please! Reading this is bordering on erotic fiction; I'm feeling a semi coming on.

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    Milovy wrote: »
    I'd like to see Whishaw, Fiennes and Harris stay on. Whishaw has been a great asset in the Craig films, and I think Fiennes' M has tons of potential. As for Harris, I mostly would just like some continuity from here on out... If they were to recast, I imagine they'd feel obliged to make a big deal out of reintroducing the characters. We don't need to see another Moneypenny origin story or whatever.

    Tanner, however, can GTFO.

    I agree. The three work well together and complement Craig.

    Tanner should be taken out back and shot.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Tanner should be taken out back and shot.

    I'm nearly hitting the vinegar strokes now!!
  • Moneypenny, Q and M all three are very much needed and they should stay for every film. But, they should serve as background noises rather than try to gain some spotlight. M in his office, Moneypenny at her desk typing some stuff, and Q is in his lab making gadgets. That's all.

    Agreed. They're really not much more than bit parts, but they help to flesh out MI6, and the way Bond interacts with each of them gives us incite into him as a character, before the mission gets going.
    Exactly. That's how I want them to be.

    And other than Fiennes, and maybe Naomie Harris, I do hope we lose the rest of the "scooby gang".

    I mean, what about Keeley Hawes as Moneypenny? Seriously, she's born to play that part.

    As for Q, there are several suggestions more convenient than Whishaw will ever be. Ian MacShane for example would be a perfect Major Boothroyd, and damn he's charismatic. Why not go down that route?

    Don't care about Tanner whether he exists or doesn't. I only liked Michael Kitchen's Tanner, anyway, and James Villiers to an extent who would have been a better M than Tanner.

    Convenient as in too old for recurring role in an endless franchise.
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    Steady. Just think about Mendes bringing back Brofeld and Newman. Should do the job.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited June 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Moneypenny, Q and M all three are very much needed and they should stay for every film. But, they should serve as background noises rather than try to gain some spotlight. M in his office, Moneypenny at her desk typing some stuff, and Q is in his lab making gadgets. That's all.

    Agreed. They're really not much more than bit parts, but they help to flesh out MI6, and the way Bond interacts with each of them gives us incite into him as a character, before the mission gets going.
    Exactly. That's how I want them to be.

    And other than Fiennes, and maybe Naomie Harris, I do hope we lose the rest of the "scooby gang".

    I mean, what about Keeley Hawes as Moneypenny? Seriously, she's born to play that part.

    As for Q, there are several suggestions more convenient than Whishaw will ever be. Ian MacShane for example would be a perfect Major Boothroyd, and damn he's charismatic. Why not go down that route?

    Don't care about Tanner whether he exists or doesn't. I only liked Michael Kitchen's Tanner, anyway, and James Villiers to an extent who would have been a better M than Tanner.

    Convenient as in too old for recurring role in an endless franchise.
    I seriously doubt Whishaw will have a recurring role without having a demand for more screentime like in SF and SP than the normal Q should have.

    Heck, there's even Hugh Laurie if you want. But, that's also very expensive. There's the latest Doctor Who actor, Peter Capaldi, who's leaving that franchise soon. Somebody who looks and sounds like Q, not a cynical geeky computer nerd. That's also why I don't want Simon Pegg in the role.
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    Hugh Laurie might have made a good M. Peter Capaldi could play Ronnie Valance.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Some offensive and unnecessary remarks have been removed from this thread.

    I would ask you all at this point to stick to the guidelines set out for use of this site, and also to keep on topic.
  • re: using continuation novels for Bond movies.

    Yes, the authors would get paid. However, the payment would be tiny compared with the cost of the "car drive" and "world's biggest explosion in a motion picture" in SPECTRE.

    Why would it be tiny? Because there's no other market. Eon has a monopoly on making James Bond films. It's not like there will be a bidding war.

    Also, they apparently paid something to Kingsley Amis' estate given the "special thanks" credit in the SPECTRE end titles. They've opened the door to further use of continuation novels. Whether they take of advantage of it remains to be seen.
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    I didn't realise they'd already done this with Colonel Sun. Even dialogue apparently?
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