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  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    FWIW, a definition of the word hiatus.

    //a pause or gap in a sequence, series, or process.//

    Exactly - we are in between Bond films at the moment.

    What I mean by hiatus is they haven't done anything its for all this people who think they are working behind the scenes they aren't they aren't even in pre pre production

    Eon are working on Bond 25. They won't enter pre-production until they have developed the story and screenplay, which is precisely what they are doing with P&W.

    I don't think they are even working on it we don't even know they are writing anything till its official
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited July 2017 Posts: 9,117
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.

    Respectfully, I think this is a bit of rationalizing. Had SPECTRE hit on all cylinders none of this would have mattered.
    Fair enough, and probably true. I saw all of those films when they came out & by November, I was a bit burned out by it all to be honest. It would have taken something spectacularly unique to impress me. Something different. 2015 was not the year for a poorly conceived greatest hits package from the 'big daddy' of the genre. It was a year for something surprising. Something unique. Something ground breaking.

    Well you got Blofeld as Bond's brother FFS! What more do you want? Surprising and for sure and I hope to Christ it was unique. Although covering the same ground as Austin Powers can hardly be classed as groundbreaking.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I do agre that those other films , by contrast, made SPECTRE's shortcomings more obvious.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited July 2017 Posts: 3,126
    How about this folks lets wait until an mgm quarterly report to speculate or an official press release I know it will be a wait but at least we know it is official then some guy sitting in an office bored writing a story just for popularity or sheer boredom
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2017 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.

    Respectfully, I think this is a bit of rationalizing. Had SPECTRE hit on all cylinders none of this would have mattered.
    Fair enough, and probably true. I saw all of those films when they came out & by November, I was a bit burned out by it all to be honest. It would have taken something spectacularly unique to impress me. Something different. 2015 was not the year for a poorly conceived greatest hits package from the 'big daddy' of the genre. It was a year for something surprising. Something unique. Something ground breaking.

    Well you got Blofeld as Bond's brother FFS! What more do you want? Surprising and for sure and I hope to Christ it was unique. Although covering the same ground as Austin Powers can hardly be classed as groundbreaking.
    Ha ha. I walked into that one.

    I should have clarified my earlier statement to indicate that I wasn't looking for cheap 'jump the shark' ridiculousness to make an impact in a crowded year for the genre.

    I realize that EON follows trends and that Ra's and Talia Al Ghul had perhaps made it sexy with the 'it was all me' revenge shtick in 2012's TDKR (not to mention the Khan!!! duplicity & deception in 2013's Into The Darkness), but it really was all a bit predictable & tedious.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    How about this folks lets wait until an mgm quarterly report to speculate or an official press release I know it will be a wait but at least we know it is official then some guy sitting in an office bored writing a story just for popularity or sheer boredom

    Haven't people been awaiting the last several quarterly reports, just for them to reveal nothing? I think even that is setting yourself up for disappointment. Best just to enjoy what we have and wait for the 'Bond 25' news to come, which it will, in due time. It may be a while until then, but the series is far from dead.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    How about this folks lets wait until an mgm quarterly report to speculate or an official press release I know it will be a wait but at least we know it is official then some guy sitting in an office bored writing a story just for popularity or sheer boredom

    Haven't people been awaiting the last several quarterly reports, just for them to reveal nothing? I think even that is setting yourself up for disappointment. Best just to enjoy what we have and wait for the 'Bond 25' news to come, which it will, in due time. It may be a while until then, but the series is far from dead.

    Hopefully people aren't so tuned out of bond by then
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    How about this folks lets wait until an mgm quarterly report to speculate or an official press release I know it will be a wait but at least we know it is official then some guy sitting in an office bored writing a story just for popularity or sheer boredom

    Haven't people been awaiting the last several quarterly reports, just for them to reveal nothing? I think even that is setting yourself up for disappointment. Best just to enjoy what we have and wait for the 'Bond 25' news to come, which it will, in due time. It may be a while until then, but the series is far from dead.

    Hopefully people aren't so tuned out of bond by then

    I doubt that'll happen, given at how antsy everyone gets when a new rumor pops up, or how every single site out there picks it up, regardless of credibility. They'll officially announce it when the time comes and everyone's interest will immediately be peaked once more. It's Bond.
  • edited July 2017 Posts: 5,767
    GetCarter wrote: »
    001) halve SP's budget
    002) remove Craig from creative decisions
    003) establish an ongoing bond script house with a revolving team of talented writers
    004) spend time on perfecting a ripping spy caper
    005) commit to a production schedule of one film every two years
    006) hire a proficient journeyman in the vein of Hunt, Glen or Campbell to direct
    007) allow Craig to continue but only if he adheres to the above schedule

    Naturally, the above is merely a flight of fancy. I appreciate the cool heads who say "it'll happen when it happens", but that doesn't change the apparent transformation of EON into a matey clique with a heavy focus on vanity projects.

    Which is, of course, entirely their prerogative. Just as it is the fans' prerogative to lament the lack of momentum in this space when so many other franchises are cashing in.
    Well said.



    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.

    Respectfully, I think this is a bit of rationalizing. Had SPECTRE hit on all cylinders none of this would have mattered.
    Fair enough, and probably true. I saw all of those films when they came out & by November, I was a bit burned out by it all to be honest. It would have taken something spectacularly unique to impress me. Something different. 2015 was not the year for a poorly conceived greatest hits package from the 'big daddy' of the genre. It was a year for something surprising. Something unique. Something ground breaking.
    Burned out? I was just warmed up. All those other films were no match for a standart James Bond film, no need for something groundbreaking at all, just a decent Bond flic.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Is there any doubt that if the Casino Royale team, with the core of Campbell Craig and Arnold were reassembled that we would at least get a highly entertaining competent James Bond film?
  • Posts: 5,767
    How could there?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited July 2017 Posts: 9,117
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.

    Respectfully, I think this is a bit of rationalizing. Had SPECTRE hit on all cylinders none of this would have mattered.
    Fair enough, and probably true. I saw all of those films when they came out & by November, I was a bit burned out by it all to be honest. It would have taken something spectacularly unique to impress me. Something different. 2015 was not the year for a poorly conceived greatest hits package from the 'big daddy' of the genre. It was a year for something surprising. Something unique. Something ground breaking.

    Are people seriously suggesting that any of the above were serious competition or blunted their appetite for Bond?

    Kingsman - Monumentally overrated. A few humourous gags at Bond's expense and one decent set piece (the freefall sequence) and that's about your lot.

    Spy - You're having a laugh. Or as we're talking a Melissa Mcarthy film here you're probably not.

    Man From Uncle - Proves we dodged a bullet with Cavill, the only man who can make Rory Kinnear look charismatic. It was a fun bit of fluff but hardly anywhere near Bond.

    MI:RN - The only one that came close. Trumped SP on the action front but is there anyone who doesn't get annoyed by Simon Pegg's light relief schtick? They seem to have stolen the Moore/Brozza light hearted action romp territory though.

    That's a pretty underwhelming undercard before the main event. Goes to show that the rest can only dream of being Bond - take note The Rythm Section. You can keep banging on about how you have been produced by 'the Bond producers' (EON shamelessly ripping off their own product strangely) but that doesnt mean you'll be anywhere near fit to lace Bond's boots.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2017 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.

    Respectfully, I think this is a bit of rationalizing. Had SPECTRE hit on all cylinders none of this would have mattered.
    Fair enough, and probably true. I saw all of those films when they came out & by November, I was a bit burned out by it all to be honest. It would have taken something spectacularly unique to impress me. Something different. 2015 was not the year for a poorly conceived greatest hits package from the 'big daddy' of the genre. It was a year for something surprising. Something unique. Something ground breaking.

    Are people seriously suggesting that any of the above were serious competition or blunted their appetite for Bond?

    Kingsman - Monumentally overrated. A few humourous gags at Bond's expense and one decent set piece (the freefall sequence) and that's about your lot.

    Spy - You're having a laugh. Or as we're talking a Melissa Mcarthy film here you're probably not.

    Man From Uncle - Proves we dodged a bullet with Cavill, the only man who can make Rory Kinnear look charismatic. It was a fun bit of fluff but hardly anywhere near Bond.

    MI:RN - The only one that came close. Trumped SP on the action front but is there anyone who doesn't get annoyed by Simon Pegg's light relief schtick? They seem to have stolen the Moore/Brozza light hearted action romp territory though.

    That's a pretty underwhelming undercard before the main event. Goes to show that the rest can only dream of being Bond - take note The Rythm Section. You can keep banging on about how you have been produced by 'the Bond producers' (EON shamelessly ripping off their own product strangely) but that doesnt mean you'll be anywhere near fit to lace Bond's boots.
    My point was that the expectations were high for the 'main event' and it underwhelmed, exceedingly so. I've never been so disappointed with a Bond film since TWINE, and that's saying something because that film resides at 24 out of 24 for me. I suspect quite a few of the general public felt the same, at least based on conversations that I have had and commentary I have read.

    Arguably SF's mammoth success helped to reignite interest in the genre again and brought out all these imitators. Bottom line therefore: 2015 was a year to knock out of the park. To deliver a statement of intent and show the pretenders who rules. Sadly, someone severely dropped the ball, and it's still bouncing around somewhere.

    Regarding the fancifully named The Rhythm Section, I certainly hope that it doesn't result in brand dilution. I've seen this happen in other industries before. Namely, the creators get focused on the new product and it overshadows the big kahuna. That had better not happen here. After all, one is seen as 'hip', 'diverse' & the start of something new, and the other could be considered a 'dinosaur' in this new PC centric environment.
  • Posts: 1,162
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.

    Respectfully, I think this is a bit of rationalizing. Had SPECTRE hit on all cylinders none of this would have mattered.
    Fair enough, and probably true. I saw all of those films when they came out & by November, I was a bit burned out by it all to be honest. It would have taken something spectacularly unique to impress me. Something different. 2015 was not the year for a poorly conceived greatest hits package from the 'big daddy' of the genre. It was a year for something surprising. Something unique. Something ground breaking.

    Are people seriously suggesting that any of the above were serious competition or blunted their appetite for Bond?

    Kingsman - Monumentally overrated. A few humourous gags at Bond's expense and one decent set piece (the freefall sequence) and that's about your lot.

    Spy - You're having a laugh. Or as we're talking a Melissa Mcarthy film here you're probably not.

    Man From Uncle - Proves we dodged a bullet with Cavill, the only man who can make Rory Kinnear look charismatic. It was a fun bit of fluff but hardly anywhere near Bond.

    MI:RN - The only one that came close. Trumped SP on the action front but is there anyone who doesn't get annoyed by Simon Pegg's light relief schtick? They seem to have stolen the Moore/Brozza light hearted action romp territory though.

    That's a pretty underwhelming undercard before the main event. Goes to show that the rest can only dream of being Bond - take note The Rythm Section. You can keep banging on about how you have been produced by 'the Bond producers' (EON shamelessly ripping off their own product strangely) but that doesnt mean you'll be anywhere near fit to lace Bond's boots.

    In my deepest young Bill Cosby voice: 'RIGHT!' And 'Oh Yeaaahhhh!'
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    There was certainly overload from the genre in 2015. Very competitive market that year, with some inventive (Kingsman), funny (Spy), reboot (TMFU) and kick 'a' (MI-RN) fare. Fatigue had probably set in by the time SP was released.

    Respectfully, I think this is a bit of rationalizing. Had SPECTRE hit on all cylinders none of this would have mattered.
    Fair enough, and probably true. I saw all of those films when they came out & by November, I was a bit burned out by it all to be honest. It would have taken something spectacularly unique to impress me. Something different. 2015 was not the year for a poorly conceived greatest hits package from the 'big daddy' of the genre. It was a year for something surprising. Something unique. Something ground breaking.

    Are people seriously suggesting that any of the above were serious competition or blunted their appetite for Bond?

    Kingsman - Monumentally overrated. A few humourous gags at Bond's expense and one decent set piece (the freefall sequence) and that's about your lot.

    Spy - You're having a laugh. Or as we're talking a Melissa Mcarthy film here you're probably not.

    Man From Uncle - Proves we dodged a bullet with Cavill, the only man who can make Rory Kinnear look charismatic. It was a fun bit of fluff but hardly anywhere near Bond.

    MI:RN - The only one that came close. Trumped SP on the action front but is there anyone who doesn't get annoyed by Simon Pegg's light relief schtick? They seem to have stolen the Moore/Brozza light hearted action romp territory though.

    That's a pretty underwhelming undercard before the main event. Goes to show that the rest can only dream of being Bond - take note The Rythm Section. You can keep banging on about how you have been produced by 'the Bond producers' (EON shamelessly ripping off their own product strangely) but that doesnt mean you'll be anywhere near fit to lace Bond's boots.
    My point was that the expectations were high for the 'main event' and it underwhelmed, exceedingly so. I've never been so disappointed with a Bond film since TWINE, and that's saying something because that film resides at 24 out of 24 for me. I suspect quite a few of the general public felt the same, at least based on conversations that I have had and commentary I have read.

    Arguably SF's mammoth success helped to reignite interest in the genre again and brought out all these imitators. Bottom line therefore: 2015 was a year to knock out of the park. To deliver a statement of intent and show the pretenders who rules. Sadly, someone severely dropped the ball, and it's still bouncing around somewhere.

    Regarding the fancifully named The Rhythm Section, I certainly hope that it doesn't result in brand dilution. I've seen this happen in other industries before. Namely, the creators get focused on the new product and it overshadows the big kahuna. That had better not happen here. After all, one is seen as 'hip', 'diverse' & the start of something new, and the other could be considered a 'dinosaur' in this new PC centric environment.

    Can't disagree with any of that to be fair.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 755
    talos7 wrote: »
    Is there any doubt that if the Casino Royale team, with the core of Campbell Craig and Arnold were reassembled that we would at least get a highly entertaining competent James Bond film?

    If you want a great movie you have to have great writing, regardless of that team. CR is great because of the book and the work they did to create a screenplay out of it. Everyone forgets or minimizes the writing, including EON... studios, all of Hollywood.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Is there any doubt that if the Casino Royale team, with the core of Campbell Craig and Arnold were reassembled that we would at least get a highly entertaining competent James Bond film?

    If you want a great movie you have to have great writing, regardless of that team. CR is great because of the book and the work they did to create a screenplay out of it. Everyone forgets or minimizes the writing, including EON... studios, all of Hollywood.

    Indeed, I'm aware,so do what has been rumored, a faithful adaptation of You only Live Twice; go back to the novels and do them justice, even if the film's title is different.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Is there any doubt that if the Casino Royale team, with the core of Campbell Craig and Arnold were reassembled that we would at least get a highly entertaining competent James Bond film?

    If you want a great movie you have to have great writing, regardless of that team. CR is great because of the book and the work they did to create a screenplay out of it. Everyone forgets or minimizes the writing, including EON... studios, all of Hollywood.

    It all starts with a great script. It's easier for everything to fall into place than if you start out with some trash writing and hope for the best. I've seen plenty of films where the talent could shine, but they fail to do so because the writing is awful and generic.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Why are us laymen who know nothing about filmmaking able to see this but EON are quite happy to keep rehiring journeymen P&W and leave Logan to his own devices without any supervision until 5 minutes before shooting commences?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,184
    Keeping P&W on board feels almost like they're afraid of straddling a certain line of decency by letting them go.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited July 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Whatever Barbara Wants, Barbara Gets. ;)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Whatever Barbara Wants, Barbara Gets. ;)

    Sexist.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Whatever Barbara Wants, Barbara Gets. ;)

    Sexist.
    Ouch. ;)
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited July 2017 Posts: 1,756
    Why are us laymen who know nothing about filmmaking able to see this but EON are quite happy to keep rehiring journeymen P&W and leave Logan to his own devices without any supervision until 5 minutes before shooting commences?

    Hey, P&W wrote Casino Royale, and touched up Skyfall... isn't that enough achievements? Geez.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Why are us laymen who know nothing about filmmaking able to see this but EON are quite happy to keep rehiring journeymen P&W and leave Logan to his own devices without any supervision until 5 minutes before shooting commences?

    Hey, P&W wrote Casino Royale, and touched up Skyfall...
    There lies in the problem.
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    Why are us laymen who know nothing about filmmaking able to see this but EON are quite happy to keep rehiring journeymen P&W and leave Logan to his own devices without any supervision until 5 minutes before shooting commences?

    Hey, P&W wrote Casino Royale, and touched up Skyfall...
    There lies in the problem.

    Actually they wrote SF, which subsequently was completely altered by Mendes and Logan from the point on Bond comes to shanghai, probably because they didn't deem it mellodramatic enough.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,675
    bondjames wrote: »
    Bond has never done the US justice (either with locations or with actors) and so I am also not too keen on them going there. There's a history of looking down on it in a way (some of the characterizations in films like DAF are certainly a bit of a caricature). Having said that, I believe it's on account of the film makers rather than the locale itself.

    Films like The Rock, National Treasure or even classics like Vertigo have done a far better job of it.

    I don't want to see any continuation story either.

    I love DAF's I got a brudder guy. I am a Yank.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217
    I agree, New Orleans was wasted
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Why are us laymen who know nothing about filmmaking able to see this but EON are quite happy to keep rehiring journeymen P&W and leave Logan to his own devices without any supervision until 5 minutes before shooting commences?

    Hey, P&W wrote Casino Royale, and touched up Skyfall...
    There lies in the problem.

    Actually they wrote SF, which subsequently was completely altered by Mendes and Logan from the point on Bond comes to shanghai, probably because they didn't deem it mellodramatic enough.
    Peter Morgan wrote the basis for SF under the title Forever A Spy.

    And after seeing that article and the synopsis for the script, I'd have preferred THAT one over the abysmal movie we've gotten that is SF.
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    So 69 posts and nothing new hmm
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