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  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,277
    TripAces wrote: »
    The difference between Cruise and Craig:

    1. DC spent most of his life smoking. 2. DC likes beer. A lot.

    The problem is each of their faces ages according to their lifestyles. I absolutely believe that DC can have the physique needed for Bond for quite some time, but his face is not aging well. Especially compared to Cruise.

    Yes, but what about the portrait?
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    Craig didn't look that old in that commercial with those puppies:

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    Facial movement goes a long way.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,159
    Pretty sure that second PIC is from 2012. He's aged more since then.
    The second picture is an advertisement promo still for Sony.

    Always thought this dude from The American looked like an older Craig:

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    @dominicgreene
    That's Flemish actor Johan Leysen, one of our greats. A charismatic man and, indeed, something of an older Daniel Craig.
  • edited July 2017 Posts: 1,661
    If the new Doctor Who is a woman - the role is recast and announced today - it may convince Babs and MG to recast Bond as a woman! EON likes to follow trends, y'know. Internet reaction:

    1574991

    :P



  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited July 2017 Posts: 15,129
    I don't think Doctor Who has ever been a trend setter. Even if the next Doctor is a woman, I don't think EON would go down that route.
    It would cause too much of an uproar.

    EDIT - But then, they did make Blofeld his...the brother thing is still a sore point. But he's not actually his brother, his step brother or anything else. He was just told to treat Bond like a brother. Why they thought it was a good idea is beyond me. But there ya go.
    Would we want Waltz back as Blofeld, or recast? Leave ESB alone till they re-cast?
  • Posts: 12,837
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    If the new Doctor Who is a woman - the role is recast and announced today - it may convince Babs and MG to recast Bond as a woman! EON likes to follow trends, y'know. Internet reaction:

    1574991

    :P



    Nah. Every Bond is a different interpretation of the same man. His appearance changes and so do certain personality traits but there's a lot of stuff that does carry over that's very gender specific. He can never be a woman.

    With Doctor Who it's different because the change in actor is explained in show and they've already shown that he could become a woman. And despite being the same man each doctor is basically a completely different character (way moreso than Bond), there's less traits that carry over between actors, and the ones that do aren't gender specific like with Bond.

    It isn't really a comparable situation imo.
  • Posts: 6,601
    talos7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    The difference between Cruise and Craig:

    1. DC spent most of his life smoking. 2. DC likes beer. A lot.

    The problem is each of their faces ages according to their lifestyles. I absolutely believe that DC can have the physique needed for Bond for quite some time, but his face is not aging well. Especially compared to Cruise.

    Spot on!

    Cruise had face lifts as had most of that generation. Knowing DCs face, I can tell, he didn't. Not that I am against it, if it looks good afterwards. But don't suggest, a Cruise or whoever looks good just because. Not true. But DC being the freak he is, peobably won't go that route.

  • 001001
    Posts: 1,575
    Germanlady wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    The difference between Cruise and Craig:

    1. DC spent most of his life smoking. 2. DC likes beer. A lot.

    The problem is each of their faces ages according to their lifestyles. I absolutely believe that DC can have the physique needed for Bond for quite some time, but his face is not aging well. Especially compared to Cruise.

    Spot on!

    Cruise had face lifts as had most of that generation. Knowing DCs face, I can tell, he didn't. Not that I am against it, if it looks good afterwards. But don't suggest, a Cruise or whoever looks good just because. Not true. But DC being the freak he is, peobably won't go that route.

    I don't know if Tom had a face lift,don't care, but he is very fit and always keen to do action films like Mi and other films.

    Daniel doesn't seem to be interested in doing Bond films anymore ,he prefers doing plays and films that are less physically demanding.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,195
    Tom Cruise has not had a facelift; he is genetically fortunate, seems to live a health lifestyle that includes not smoking.
    With that, I don't doubt that he cares for his skin with the best money can buy and a little Botox would not be a surprise.
  • edited July 2017 Posts: 2,115
    As an aside, can you imagine what a thread like this would be like during the 1989-95 hiatus?

    Reports of scripts being written, would Dalton return or not, lawsuits (Eon vs. MGM), MGM getting taken over by the bank (Credit Lyonnais), Dalton departs (and the accompanying debate whether he quit or was fired), lawsuit settlement, search for a New Bond, Dandaq/Eon putting itself up for sale (it did but later took itself off the market), big debate over the merits of a 1994 Wall Street Journal story that came out shortly before Brosnan was announced, etc.

    There would be "is this the end of Bond?" posts, some "just be patient" posts, arguments over the merits of would-be Bonds.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,713
    As an aside, can you imagine what a thread like this would be like during the 1989-95 hiatus?

    Reports of scripts being written, would Dalton return or not, lawsuits (Eon vs. MGM), MGM getting taken over by the bank (Credit Lyonnais), Dalton departs (and the accompanying debate whether he quit or was fired), lawsuit settlement, search for a New Bond, Dandaq/Eon putting itself up for sale (it did but later took itself off the market), big debate over the merits of a 1994 Wall Street Journal story that came out shortly before Brosnan was announced, etc.

    It would be much better than the current thread, as Aidan Turner wouldn't be mentioned at all given he was a kid at the time.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I'm pretty sure the chorus/drumbeat for Brosnan would have been deafening though.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,713
    @bondjames However we'd have very cool examples of recent action flicks that Bond should try to beat - Terminator 2, True Lies, Die Hard, Point Break, Speed, Leon, The Last Boy Scout, Total Recall, The Fugitive...
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    And we will with Bond 25, by the time it comes out. Just look at the way action movies are going, you're the expert...
  • 001001
    Posts: 1,575
    talos7 wrote: »
    Tom Cruise has not had a facelift; he is genetically fortunate, seems to live a health lifestyle that includes not smoking.
    With that, I don't doubt that he cares for his skin with the best money can buy and a little Botox would not be a surprise.

    I don't think he's had a facelift either. He's a freak.
    I agree that he may have had botox and like you said expensive treatments for his face and hair.

    He's a very smart guy and appears a genuine nice guy too, but i don't know why he wants to be involved with Scientology which sounds stupid from what i've seen and heard ?

  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    One man's Scientology, is another man's Christianity, or Islam...
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Re: Cruise's face-- several times it does seem to be "fuller", even "swollen", but I don't think there's evidence of a facelift. More likely shots of botox.

    No drugs or alcohol in his diet will also go a long way to preservation of the self.

    He also has an intense need to be relevant and proceeds accordingly (going the extra mile with his stunts would be an example). He is "business", and therefore he takes incredible care of himself.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    peter wrote: »
    One man's Scientology, is another man's Christianity, or Islam...

    Careful.

    It's fine to laugh at Scientologists as nutters but you have to respect other religions.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2017 Posts: 23,883
    @DaltonCraig007, I in fact remember that those films which you mention were all considered benchmarks which the next Bond film would have to match or surpass. Patriot Games was another one. There was huge anticipation for Bond to return in the early 90's and show that it was still relevant, but also a lot of fear that the public had moved on post Cold War, and that 007 was in fact yesterday's news. The pressure was intense. The fears we have now are nothing compared to that period.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    Pretty sure that second PIC is from 2012. He's aged more since then.
    The second picture is an advertisement promo still for Sony.



    James-Bond-Casino-Royle-Peak-Lapel-Tuxedo.jpg

    peter wrote: »
    One man's Scientology, is another man's Christianity, or Islam...

    Careful.

    It's fine to laugh at Scientologists as nutters but you have to respect other religions.
    You should be a comedian.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2017 Posts: 23,883
    001 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    The difference between Cruise and Craig:

    1. DC spent most of his life smoking. 2. DC likes beer. A lot.

    The problem is each of their faces ages according to their lifestyles. I absolutely believe that DC can have the physique needed for Bond for quite some time, but his face is not aging well. Especially compared to Cruise.

    Spot on!

    Cruise had face lifts as had most of that generation. Knowing DCs face, I can tell, he didn't. Not that I am against it, if it looks good afterwards. But don't suggest, a Cruise or whoever looks good just because. Not true. But DC being the freak he is, peobably won't go that route.

    I don't know if Tom had a face lift,don't care, but he is very fit and always keen to do action films like Mi and other films.

    Daniel doesn't seem to be interested in doing Bond films anymore ,he prefers doing plays and films that are less physically demanding.
    I wouldn't compare Craig to Tom Cruise honestly. Cruise is a bona fide movie star of the first order. One of the all time greats, who is in probably his last decade of being an action hero (something which he is also very well known for over multiple decades).

    Daniel Craig is a first and foremost a film/theatre actor. One who happens to be the current James Bond (an unusual and atypical role for him).

    They're really catering to different markets.
  • edited July 2017 Posts: 16,149
    At the rough equivalent of this point in the '89-95 hiatus say March of '91, we'd already be assured that Dalton was set for Bond 17, and that Alphonse Ruggiero had written the script for the still untitled film. Also around October of '90 there had been announcements articles that the rights for Bond had been put up for sale in spite of the fact B17 was gearing toward pre-production.
    We would have had threads each time production was delayed from it's original November 1990 start date (with a summer '91 release) to a January 91 start date.
    Also once Dalton signed on for The Rocketeer we might be discussing how that could possibly delay things further. We'd probably be discussing Tim's hair in The Rocketeer with some fans saying he looked great and others saying they prefer his longer TLD style.
    By the end of '91 our BOND 17 PRODUCTION DIARY would be at roughly 1200 pages, and will double once the official announcement that B17 is on indefinite hold occurs.
    1992 comes and goes with nothing but rumors that Joel Silver is to take over the franchise with Mel Gibson as Bond. Sharon Stone to be the first female Bond, and Eddie Murphy also in the running. Sound familiar?
    FINALLY by early '93 we get official news that the legal entanglements have been settled and BOND17 is back on track. We debate will it be a summer or later 1994 release?
    By the end of '93 Dalton assures us in an interview that Michael France has written the script and that filming should start in January or February of '94. YAY!!!!
    January AND February comes and goes. DAMMIT.
    April, 1994 an official announcement!!! YAY!!!
    Crap, Dalton resigns. We speculate here at MI6 on whether or not France's screenplay has issues hence Dalton's bailing.
    Meanwhile the media is swamped with next Bond contenders and polls. We have Pierce, Mel, Ralph Fiennes, Liam Neeson, and Hugh Grant to spend pages of the BOND ACTOR thread discussing their merits for the part.
    June, 1994 the official announcement: Pierce Brosnan to star in GOLDENEYE due out summer of 1995. Our thread is officially renamed The GOLDENEYE PRODUCTION DIARY.
    Now the real discussions can begin from Brosnan's beard to the eventual now delayed November release date.

    At least that's the way I see the 89-95 hiatus might have played out had internet been available in those days. :)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    At the rough equivalent of this point in the '89-95 hiatus say March of '91, we'd already be assured that Dalton was set for Bond 17, and that Alphonse Ruggiero had written the script for the still untitled film. Also around October of '90 there had been announcements articles that the rights for Bond had been put up for sale in spite of the fact B17 was gearing toward pre-production.
    We would have had threads each time production was delayed from it's original November 1990 start date (with a summer '91 release) to a January 91 start date.
    Also once Dalton signed on for The Rocketeer we might be discussing how that could possibly delay things further. We'd probably be discussing Tim's hair in The Rocketeer with some fans saying he looked great and others saying they prefer his longer TLD style.
    By the end of '91 our BOND 17 PRODUCTION DIARY would be at roughly 1200 pages, and will double once the official announcement that B17 is on indefinite hold occurs.
    But then you have forgotten all the Tom Cruise discussion, AVTAK firebrigade chase discussions, gunbarrel rankings etc etc.
  • Posts: 6,601
    I wouldn't compare Craig to Tom Cruise honestly. Cruise is a bona fide movie star of the first order. One of the all time greats, who is in probably his last decade of being an action hero (something which he is also very well known for over multiple decades).

    Daniel Craig is a first and foremost a film/theatre actor. One who happens to be the current James Bond (an unusual and atypical role for him).

    They're really catering to different markets.
    bondjames wrote: »
    001 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    The difference between Cruise and Craig:

    1. DC spent most of his life smoking. 2. DC likes beer. A lot.

    The problem is each of their faces ages according to their lifestyles. I absolutely believe that DC can have the physique needed for Bond for quite some time, but his face is not aging well. Especially compared to Cruise.

    Spot on!

    Cruise had face lifts as had most of that generation. Knowing DCs face, I can tell, he didn't. Not that I am against it, if it looks good afterwards. But don't suggest, a Cruise or whoever looks good just because. Not true. But DC being the freak he is, peobably won't go that route.

    I don't know if Tom had a face lift,don't care, but he is very fit and always keen to do action films like Mi and other films.

    Daniel doesn't seem to be interested in doing Bond films anymore ,he prefers doing plays and films that are less physically demanding.
    I wouldn't compare Craig to Tom Cruise honestly. Cruise is a bona fide movie star of the first order. One of the all time greats, who is in probably his last decade of being an action hero (something which he is also very well known for over multiple decades).

    Daniel Craig is a first and foremost a film/theatre actor. One who happens to be the current James Bond (an unusual and atypical role for him).

    They're really catering to different markets.

    Yes, agreed. Plus doing the job and stay relevant is Cruise very reason of living......

  • edited July 2017 Posts: 16,149
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    At the rough equivalent of this point in the '89-95 hiatus say March of '91, we'd already be assured that Dalton was set for Bond 17, and that Alphonse Ruggiero had written the script for the still untitled film. Also around October of '90 there had been announcements articles that the rights for Bond had been put up for sale in spite of the fact B17 was gearing toward pre-production.
    We would have had threads each time production was delayed from it's original November 1990 start date (with a summer '91 release) to a January 91 start date.
    Also once Dalton signed on for The Rocketeer we might be discussing how that could possibly delay things further. We'd probably be discussing Tim's hair in The Rocketeer with some fans saying he looked great and others saying they prefer his longer TLD style.
    By the end of '91 our BOND 17 PRODUCTION DIARY would be at roughly 1200 pages, and will double once the official announcement that B17 is on indefinite hold occurs.
    But then you have forgotten all the Tom Cruise discussion, AVTAK firebrigade chase discussions, gunbarrel rankings etc etc.

    Indeed. In the meantime there would definitely have been AVTAK debates, gunbarrel rankings, PTS rankings. Also current Connery films: Medicine Man, Rising Sun etc and debates on if he could have returned to Bond yet again.
    Not sure about Tom Cruise, though. He'd have enough debates with his Lestat casting on various non-Bond forums back then. There were certainly a lot of action films of the day for Bond to compete with. In his 50's Harrison Ford was really going strong in the Jack Ryan films, The Fugitive, etc Also Clint Eastwood was doing things like In the Line of Fire and so forth. I suppose Cruise now along with Neeson would be today's rough equivalent.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Pretty sure that second PIC is from 2012. He's aged more since then.
    The second picture is an advertisement promo still for Sony.
    James-Bond-Casino-Royle-Peak-Lapel-Tuxedo.jpg
    Magnificent photo!
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Risico007 wrote: »

    Wow, that was a remarkable bit of cutting and pasting EVERY article about TWO separate storylines!
    No, Nolan is not in talks for Bond 25, at least not with DC as 007. According to the original article (Playboy, I think), he said of course he'd love to direct one, but; the franchise would "need" him. And then he said something that they were fine at the moment.

    I really believe Nolan would only take on a Bond film if there was a re-boot going on.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
    edited July 2017 Posts: 306
    Pretty sure that second PIC is from 2012. He's aged more since then.
    The second picture is an advertisement promo still for Sony.
    Magnificent photo!

    Yes. Considerably!

    I really want them to confirm that Daniel Craig is back as James Bond for one more film!

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