No Time To Die: Production Diary

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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Wow when you compare all those movies Tom Cruise is doing in that amount of time to Craig it really makes Craig come over as one lazy fuck. Plus Tom is 6 years older then Craig.

    I've said I'd like to see Craig do more movies, because I like him as an actor and would like to see him in more movies. However, I suppose him not doing more movies is more likely to have something to do with disillusionment with movie work or something rather than laziness. Also, theatre work is work, too. And it's hardly an age question.

    People have already commented that Cruise is a workaholic, and there seems to be a lot of value and enjoyment for him in being a glorified stuntman. All fine if that's what he wants, but no reason others should want the same things. Isn't the guy single, and doesn't see his daughter? So he works a lot? Okay. Guess it makes him happy.

  • edited March 2016 Posts: 1,817
    Erm, guys.

    We don't need, need, NEED Craig back. Yes SF and SP were both big worldwide successes, but the way he is treating the franchise (I'd rather slash my wrists!) and given that SP concludes his arc quite well, fresh blood might be in order.

    If Craig is unwilling to come back, they'd better not waste half the film's budget getting him to return. We saw that in DAF and wow what an Oscar-winning performance from Connery. Mmmmm. It's just not worth it.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    We saw that in DAF and wow what an Oscar-winning performance from Connery.

    IMO, I get a better kick out of Sean's DAF performance than a lot of Oscar winning performances.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Its crazy, because nobody would expect ANY news, if things were all normal. Now everybody is having their knifes out. About what actually?

    Plus still reacting to trash magazine reports. It could all be true, but since thats a rather rare occasion, why get all excited?

    As I see it, DC will get a lot of heat for, yes for what? Holding up shooting, delaying shooting, being a lazy jerk, who is playing games etc etc. You name it.

    A decision could well be made already and things are developping behind the scenes, but who cares, if you can give a good, hearty beating.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Its crazy, because nobody would expect ANY news, if things were all normal. Now everybody is having their knifes out. About what actually?

    Plus still reacting to trash magazine reports. It could all be true, but since thats a rather rare occasion, why get all excited?

    As I see it, DC will get a lot of heat for, yes for what? Holding up shooting, delaying shooting, being a lazy jerk, who is playing games etc etc. You name it.

    A decision could well be made already and things are developping behind the scenes, but who cares, if you can give a good, hearty beating.

    Very well said GL.

    There's nothing to say we aren't on course for a DC Bond in 2018 as this year was always going to be a desert of information.

    After his 4th film Rog played this teasing game of pretending not to come back with every new film to the extent they pretty much had Brolin signed to do it.

    If DC plays the same flirting game as Rog we might not get confirmation he is doing it until late 2017.

    Yes it would be nice if Dan would just say he's doing it but I guess if we were in his shoes we'd all make EON sweat as long as possible to bump up the fee too.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2016 Posts: 23,883
    There is a difference this time around, and that is when the studio decision is made, the Bond actor is most likely known.

    I just can't see DC being allowed to delay his decision while that bit of negotiation is going on. The two go hand in hand when a studio is making a bid for the job (especially given how little profit there seems to be in it for any particular studio based on the Sony info that's percolating out there).
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    bondjames wrote: »
    There is a difference this time around, and that is when the studio decision is made, the Bond actor is most likely known.

    I just can't see DC being allowed to delay his decision while that bit of negotiation is going on. The two go hand in hand when a studio is making a bid for the job (especially given how little profit there seems to be in it for any particular studio based on the Sony info that's percolating out there).

    Agreed
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    I really hope Barbra isn't getting too emotional over Craig. I can just imagine her crying over the fact Craig is leaving and begging him to stay, disregarding everything because they want him back. This can't go on forever.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    bondjames wrote: »
    There is a difference this time around, and that is when the studio decision is made, the Bond actor is most likely known.

    I just can't see DC being allowed to delay his decision while that bit of negotiation is going on. The two go hand in hand when a studio is making a bid for the job (especially given how little profit there seems to be in it for any particular studio based on the Sony info that's percolating out there).

    yes and no.... you are not wrong - obviously if a studio is going to make a power play on the distribution / 50% production budget rights, knowing whether or not DC is on board makes a world of difference, and thats just in how much they are willing to pay to acquire said rights...

    but.... this is James Bond... the longest running film franchise in the history of cinema - so regardless of whoever is in the tux, you are almost guaranteed to make bank (note, i said almost, nothing is ever really a sure thing ((LTK)).. but the real difference would come - when say for example WB gets the rights, and DC comes back.. they may be willing to say, "EON/MGM, you have a proven bankable asset in the lead, we'd be willing to hand over $100mil to help produce Bond 25."...... vs...... "With DC gone, and this new guy in, we aren't completely sold that he is the real deal (or perhaps no guy named yet at all), we'll only be willing to give you $75mil."

    but i do agree that any new studio coming on board would like an answer on Craig... i think the only real difference it would make in the end - is how much they pay for the rights, and how much they fork over for Bond 25... i don't think DC potentially walking away would cause any studio to balk, and walk out on a deal for Bond - you'd be stupid to do so, regardless of who the lead is.
  • I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet in this thread's recent history, but I believe Craig is playing Iago in New York this fall (hoping to go see the show if I can), so he's definitely keeping busy with his acting.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Whatever his decision will be or is based on, he has become too much of a partner of the prods and aint playing any games. Its not in his DNA anyway. He is an honest, straight guy and wont delay production with his decision. That is just how the press will milk it. For that, I hope, they come up soon with news.
  • Posts: 1,970
    Since Skyfall Craig really hasn't been a movie guy. He didnt do any films between Skyfall and Spectre. What about that Man with the Dragan tattoo sequel? Will he be in that?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2016 Posts: 23,883
    I agree @haserot, and what you said was actually my point, although mine was poorly written. I don't think a studio would walk from Bond. It would be stupid to do so because it's probably the most bankable asset in the system outside of Batman.

    However, I think, given the low profitability that Sony has on the current deal, that any studio would want to at least know who the lead actor is at least for the next film, and probably for the next few films. That would definitely, as you note, determine how much they want to put up, and how much profit they would want (i.e. their risk participation).

    Between you and I, I think Craig staying may not in fact be all that attractive to some studios, because he's probably got one in him at most. That means they'd have to take the risk of a reset only after one film. All businesses like certainty, to the extent that they can get it, and a Bond actor who wants to get on with it, make more than one film, and has the youth to be able to churn out a couple in a row may be more attractive to a studio partner.

    All speculation of course.
  • Posts: 1,970
    That is very interesting @bondjames. Studios might want more then 1 Craig film. I wonder if studios would by a big finale 2 part Craig Bond film. Then restart
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    We saw that in DAF and wow what an Oscar-winning performance from Connery.

    IMO, I get a better kick out of Sean's DAF performance than a lot of Oscar winning performances.

    Agreed.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2016 Posts: 23,883
    That is indeed possible @fjdinardo, but I don't think Craig will go for that. He was apparently against the idea for a B24/B25 combo shoot, which was one of the initial plans.

    Again, I'm only speculating, but I know businesses (especially studios) want certainty to the extent possible, especially when making large, multi-yr decisions that can impact their stock price. They have to front a lot of money for a Bond production, and I would think a Bond actor who may want to churn out a few more would be more attractive to them.

    Look at it this way - I'm pretty certain the profitability (if not overall combined gross) of CR/QoS combined (between 2005 start of production of the former to 2008 release of the latter) exceeded that of SF only, despite its mammoth gross (which covered the same time horizon from 2011 start of production of the former to 2014 start of production of the latter). 3 yrs in both cases but one more Bond film in the former situation.

    So churning out Bond films more regularly could be more attractive to a studio.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited March 2016 Posts: 9,117
    This is a good point.

    If you're the studio why pay over the odds to keep Craig given he's only likely to do one more anyway? Better to pay less to get the rights in the first place and do the recasting straight away as is a Craig Bond really going to make you that much more to cover the extra money you need to spend on wages and acquiring the rights?

    A Hiddlestone Bond for example would be far cheaper and deliver a reasonable return on your investment than shelling out stupid money like they did to keep their star player in DAF which was a completely different situation.

    Call it Moneybond.
  • MGM said this week on a conference call that Bond films will come out on a "three-to-four year cycle" and "there's no rush" in making a new distribution deal.

    http://bit.ly/1LPoFmb
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Thanks for posting that. This seems like obfuscation to me. Negotiating positioning. It can all change, as his comments did from pre-SF to now. They are holding out for the best deal with the best & most flexible partner, that is all that suggests.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I don t expect any real news for another half a year or so.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited March 2016 Posts: 10,591
    I don t expect any real news for another half a year or so.
    If we go by the same timeline as Spectre's production, we should have the director and release date announced by July. It's unlikely though.
  • Posts: 12,526
    3 years is bad enough! Don't make it 4!!!! That would be 3 films tops per actor! :-q
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    If we are talking 3 years from the previous film maybe bond 25 for November 2018 which I am fine with
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 2016 Posts: 6,298
    "The 007 films have “been on a cycle of every three to hour years and I anticipate it will be on that same three-to-four year cycle,” Barber said."

    Doesn't seem like news so much as a statement of the obvious.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Brilliant. Three-to-four-year-cycle. What a way of handling it. I don't know what are they trying to achieve, really, but whatever it is, I don't see the point.
  • edited March 2016 Posts: 2,115
    echo wrote: »
    "The 007 films have “been on a cycle of every three to hour years and I anticipate it will be on that same three-to-four year cycle,” Barber said."

    Doesn't seem like news so much as a statement of the obvious.

    Here's the context: Barber was asked about how MGM once said it planned to bring out Bond movies every other year. That was part of its bankruptcy reorganization plan back in 2010.

    In November 2012, on a similar conference call, Barber began to retreat from that. He was asked if Bond 24 would be out in two years. “We’re always hopeful on that,” was the reply. “If not in ’14, certainly in ’15.” Of course, '15 is what happened.

    Essentially, Barber is acting like the bankruptcy plan of Bond films every other year never happened. But it did. Also the "or four" part is a bit new. The four-year gap between Die Another Day and Casino Royale wasn't planned. Now they're saying four year gaps could indeed happen in the future on at least a semi-regular basis. So in that regard it's not just "a statement of the obvious."
  • Also, MGM saying "there's no rush" for a new Bond distribution deal is news. Michael G. Wilson told an interviewer it'd be done by January or February. We're already past that, so who knows how long that will take. Meanwhile, you can't have any conversation about when Bond 25 will come out until there's somebody to actually release the movie.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2016 Posts: 15,716
    If 4-year waits will be more frequent, then the new Bond actor should be no older than 31/32 years old at the time of his first outing. So that almost certainly rules out virtually everyone mentioned in the 'who should be Bond' thread, from Hardy, Fassbender, Stevens, Turner, Hiddleston, Elba (a given anyway), Damien Lewis...

    So as expected, Craig's successor, whether Craig does Bond 25 or not, will be a currently unknown (or not on any radar) actor within the 24 to 28 age bracket in 2016.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Sounds like the franchise is getting tired and running out of ideas.
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