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Why on earth just «007»? Actually -in 2017, this wouldn't surprise me at all, and it's frightening. Bond, with it's history of some decent titles even after Fleming, should not go for the simplicity of such a title.
30 mins, 10 mins, now 6 mins? Keep hacking away and you'll get down to what Fleming did and mention it in passing in a couple of lines.
You keep quoting 'Trigger Mortis' like it was a long undiscovered Fleming manuscript but that highlights the problem with your idea perfectly. The whole Pussy Galore episode in that book served no purpose to the story and smacked of Mendes-esque fanwankery because she is the most famous Bond girl so if we mention she's in it that will drum up a bit of publicity. Very overrated book.
It might work I suppose if we have the first 30 mins intercut between Blofeld escaping and Bond and Madeline breaking up but if Madeline then disappears and is never seen it again then it's pointless. It only works if Madeline is later kidnapped/killed by Blofeld but then of course that makes a mockery of them breaking up in the first place.
They either bring her back and she's integral to the whole story or they give her a brief mention during the chat with MP scene/ignore her completely.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!
No more stuff from Bond, M or anyone else's past coming back to haunt them please.
Bond has ended in the doldrums of lacklustre times many times in the books (and yes, did as you say, hang about, drink, gamble, etc.) so showing that isn't too bad. It'd actually make an interesting start. And Camille showing up for something else could be interesting too, allthough i'd rather see him go after some South American clandestine organisation where he'd find her to help him.
Again, I really don't understand why people even consider Madeleine's return. Just because she thought she loved him, sort of? Or tried to claim him (at which point he walked off to do his job) or because he didn't shoot an unarmed psychopath who was trying to get under his skin? Bond doesn't shoot unarmed people, read TMWGG to find out in what kind of trouble he gets because of that.
There's so many girls he's ended films with in a similar fashion, why should Madeleine be more then that?
After all, she's in Bolivian Intelligence. She's in the same field as Bond, and in what I imagined above, it wouldn't be so far fetched to have her need Bond's help. There's no melodrama here, just an intel officer who shared an adventure with this man Bond. And now she needs him.
It would be no different than Felix showing up.
So, you may be tired of DC in the role, gentlemen, but bashing him for holding up productions of the Bond films seems wholly unfair.
This is the problem. There's the group which want a soft reboot with a new actor. There's the group which want Blofeld and Madeline back, a complete sequel to SP. There's the group which wants Madeline back, but wants Blofeld to stay in jail for a few films. There's the group which wants Blofeld back, but no mention of Madeline ever again. Then there's also the group which wants Craig back for a standalone mission, with no mention of either Blofeld or Maddy.
Whatever EON decide, they are going to disappoint most people.
Just........this almost ambivalent hate towards that role........I will probably never understand it. As a Bond-girl Madeleine Swann was way more believable than many of the Brosnan-chicks (Christmas Jones, Jinx, Wai 'Oeeh haa!' Lin, Natalya 'boring' Simonova)
Bond fans certainly starting to sound as radical and resentful as many 'Trekkies'.....which for decades didn't really happen within the Bond fan community (It's funny to see how hateful Trekkies are about the re-designed Klingons from next month's new Star Trek TV Series "Star Trek: Discovery").
You know? I understand the resentment. But even an experienced EON-employee would investigate more options and its nuanced then simply saying "Never bring Madeleine back!" or "Get rid of Craig!". Would be nice if there's some creative cross-pollination andddd some realism about certain outcomes in this discussion.
I mean, I at least take the time to write a frikkin' story treatment. And not many people in here at first have a respectful bit of criticism towards that. It's just a big middlefinger more or less. Sadly only the bad things or the disagreements are being noticed from ideas. whereas in essence I think everyone in here has a bit of some truth.
So ask yourself this: "If EON is adament at bringing Madeleine back, what would be the best way to do it?" Instead of "No!". And in return I could perhaps answer the question "How would you tackle the developments from SP without bringing back Madeleine Swann? A little leaflet? Or ignoring her completely, making Bond look like an Alzheimer patient?"
Firstly there's no way to say this predict this. Secondly I'm not really convinced he looks great right now. This is a very obviously aging man. Look at the press photos of Roger Moore celebrating his 50th birthday when doing TSWLM and then to photos of Craig at any given public event and then dare to deny it. To some of you it must look as if I am constantly trying to piss on Craig tenure, but fact is a great deal of people here on this forum have elevated him to very unrealistic standards and I really don't feel these sentiments are shared by a broader public.
Since when are Bond fans frikkin' pageant lovers? To use the adage 'Beauty comes from the inside'. Not from Brosnan's hairy chest.
Just quickly reveal in the post titles sequence that Bond found out what a boring whiny fart she really was and dumped her. He missed the thrill of the kill. One small mention by MP in the office is all that's required (or warranted) given the lame impression she left.
May I refer you to TWINE, still the only script of them of which we know they were allowed to do it alone and not had it seriously altered afterwards cause some directors rather prefered to thrive on their own agenda, logic be damned. Just saying.
I would delete "boring whiny fart" though.
That's certainly a trait EON is looking for :-P.
Opposite to this, a simple way to write her out would be:
M16 place her in a witness protection program that even Bond doesn't know the whereabouts of to protect her from Spectre agents at large. Just a quick line about this in the first third of the film, job done.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
I will hunt your past. Trust me. That's even worse.
To the first paragraph, I'm not really willing to be too hard on Seydoux for her remarks - it's standard media boilerplate and maybe it helps sell a few tickets. What's she supposed to say? "Well, in this movie my character is a 2-dimensional damsel in distress with a great body and flimsy clothes. I'm mostly there to advance the plot and make James look good."
To the second paragraph, spot on. I take no pleasure in agreeing with you - I'm a big fan of Craig and all his Bond films. But the man is not bigger than the franchise - quite the opposite, in fact. C'mon, EON: you're offering him buckets of money to play a great role every 2-3 years. It should be a no-brainer for the actor. If he's not willing to commit, there's a queue of other chaps ready to step up and commit. Get on with it!
Agree on this. There seem to be some people who see the end of SP as Bond irrevocably quitting the service but what is the actual evidence for this?
He throws his gun into the river - Yes could be symbolic of him resigning could also be he's beaten Blofeld, is knackered and is going off for a rest and to shag Maddy.
Q says 'I thought you'd gone' - Bond might have earlier said 'I'm just popping out for a loaf of bread' and this comment would be just as valid. Besides its a small thing but I think if someone I thought had resigned turned up at work I'd probably say 'What are you doing here? I thought you'd left' as in 'left the service' not 'gone'. Don't know why but its always struck me as a strange choice of words for someone you thought had left just popping up at work again, even though there's nothing wrong with gone I suppose. In any event it could just as easily be Q saying 'I thought you'd gone on that shagathon holiday with Maddy'.
Bond and Maddy drive off into the sunset - Well (apart form the fact its sunrise as TfL wouldnt allow them to close the road for shooting at evening rush hour) what does this prove? They are off on holiday.
Theres nothing in the film which proves either way that the 'Bond has resigned from the service' hypothesis is any more valid than the 'Bond and Maddy are off on a shagathon holiday before amicably splitting up as she cannot go back to that life and he cannot leave it so there really is no need to mention her moving forward so lets just get on with business in B25' hypothesis.
In addition what does it matter that she said she loves Bond? Tania says 'I love you, I love you its true' and seems to mean it and at the end they sail off into the sunset in a gondola but she doesnt reappear and GF is none the worse for it.
Never a truer word spoken.
I dont think Seydoux does anything wrong at all. The bottom line which is where we always end up coming back to (give it is the golden rule of film-making) is that the script is bollocks.
What a ridiculous argument!
To be honest I very much prefer you getting lost in my past than crawling around in my present or future.
For that I created this topic @Roadphill :-). Sadly, some people who are criticizing each and every part of SP, are not really posting in there :-):
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/13322/realistic-serious-story-ideas-for-bond-25-to-be-used-by-eon-productions-ltd#latest