No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    What's the point in calling it The Property of A Lady?
  • Shatterhand would have a kind of symmetry to it, rounding out the final Craig "trilogy" with one-word "S" titles. I wouldn't be opposed to it, especially because it comes from Fleming. (And because it might mean that they're returning to the YOLT novel as source material, which IMO would be a good thing.)
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    What's the point in calling it The Property of A Lady?

    Hopefully nothing to do with bloody Madeleine !!
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    What's the point in calling it The Property of A Lady?

    Because Bond is the property of a lady. As long as the Queen is alive at least. So they better use that title quickly.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Property of a Lady is a fantastic title, and a very Bondian one at that.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    What's the point in calling it The Property of A Lady?

    Because Bond is the property of a lady. As long as the Queen is alive at least. So they better use that title quickly.
    Not seeing the relevance here. It sounds like a cheesy fan fiction written by a teenager.
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    in discussing titles for me it's kind of tough considering this is Craig's last...

    A pattern has developed for naming the Bond films that if we count the lost 1991 film The property of a lady has been going on since the Dalton Era with each new bond picking up the previous bond's title pattern for their first and then moving on to a new pattern with their tenure... let me explain

    Dalton's pattern was Short story for the odd number films of his with something from Fleming but not a short story for the even

    The Living Daylights (Short Story)
    Licence to Kill (title based on Fleming but not a title from a short story)
    The Property of a Lady (which is what the weird plot with robots and hong kong would of been called is from a short story)
    Goldeneye (brosnan's first but takes the pattern of the previous bond)

    Brosnan's pattern also easy to spot odd number films from fleming's pen even number original titles

    Goldeneye (from fleming)
    Tomorrow Never Dies (original and kind of bland)
    The World is Not enough (From Fleming)
    Die Another Day (original)
    Casino Royale (Craig's first but from fleming and follows the pattern)

    Craig's pattern is also kind of easy Odd titles showcase the locastion of the finale where even titles are about Bond's emotional state and the organization he will fight

    Casino Royale (location of the finale)
    Quantum of Solace (bond's emotional feelings and Quantum is the name of the organization)
    Skyfall (the location of the Finale)
    Spectre (bond is dealing with Spectre's of the past as well as the organization Spectre)

    with that in mind Garden of Death works as the title of Bond 25....

    however with Craig only coming back for one more and me wanting a final blow out with Blofeld I kind of want Bond 25 to be titled Blofield patterns be damned.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 1,162
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    he did say he'd only return for the money

    Craig is sarcastic with a sarcastic sense of humor.

    Do you really think that has anything to do with sarcasm, let alone humor?

    It's typical,dark,British humour....only a handful of people from other countries understand it.

    They think its a serious comment.

    We call it either 'sarcastic wit' or 'sledgehammer wit'.

    I have grown up with Monty python and the works of Roald Dahl, not to mention countless other British writers, so I feel quite qualified to identify British humor, thank you. And no, none of his remarks had anything to do with it!

    Do you have salt and vinegar with that giant chip on your shoulder,little man ?

    Here on the continent we use something called palate to good avail just for avoiding these kind of accidents, dare I say catastrophes.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    What's the point in calling it The Property of A Lady?

    Because Bond is the property of a lady. As long as the Queen is alive at least. So they better use that title quickly.
    Not seeing the relevance here. It sounds like a cheesy fan fiction written by a teenager.

    Sounds like a Fleming title to me.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    What's the point in calling it The Property of A Lady?

    Because Bond is the property of a lady. As long as the Queen is alive at least. So they better use that title quickly.
    Not seeing the relevance here. It sounds like a cheesy fan fiction written by a teenager.

    Sounds like a Fleming title to me.
    Just because it's a Fleming title doesn't mean it has relevance to be used anywhere or anything. Fleming baptized his short story with a relevant title that speaks to it. Bond being glorified as a belonging to Her Majesty and addressing it in wide and large words is something a cheesy fan fiction penned by a teenager out of massive love for Bond is, not only unoriginal but also cringe-worthy. Let's shoehorn any average-sounding chapter title as well just because Fleming wrote it.
  • I know it's an obvious choice but it really has to be called Shatterhand imo. I've wanted that title for ages and with now they've set up YOLT it's the perfect opportunity.

    I'm not a big fan of Property of a Lady as a title. Risico would be a good one for Bond 26 or another future film. Apart from that I don't think there are any good Fleming titles left. Use chapter titles/phrases/etc by all means but apart from Risico, I'd much rather they stick to original titles than any of the unused Flemings. They're unused for a reason.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    What's the point in calling it The Property of A Lady?

    Because Bond is the property of a lady. As long as the Queen is alive at least. So they better use that title quickly.
    Not seeing the relevance here. It sounds like a cheesy fan fiction written by a teenager.

    Sounds like a Fleming title to me.
    Just because it's a Fleming title doesn't mean it has relevance to be used anywhere or anything. Fleming baptized his short story with a relevant title that speaks to it. Bond being glorified as a belonging to Her Majesty and addressing it in wide and large words is something a cheesy fan fiction penned by a teenager out of massive love for Bond is, not only unoriginal but also cringe-worthy. Let's shoehorn any average-sounding chapter title as well just because Fleming wrote it.

    By the same rationale you might as well call OHMSS a cheesy fan fiction title then.
  • I always liked James Bond of The Secret Service as a title. Kind of derivative of OHMSS but it sounds simple, pulpy and old school. It'd be an awful choice for Bond 25 but I think it'd be a great title for a soft reboot/introduction of the next actor. Doubt they'll use it though because it was Mcclory (and Connery?) who came up with it.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Not a fan of Garden of Death as a title. Sounds like a title for a 1970s Bruce Lee movie
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Shatterhand is the right title. Bond 25 should be called Shatterhand.
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    I always liked James Bond of The Secret Service as a title. Kind of derivative of OHMSS but it sounds simple, pulpy and old school. It'd be an awful choice for Bond 25 but I think it'd be a great title for a soft reboot/introduction of the next actor. Doubt they'll use it though because it was Mcclory (and Connery?) who came up with it.

    I think Kingsman's title has put that title to bed forever .
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    James Bond of The Secret Service doesn't resonate with me, I'm afraid. Not catchy at all.

    Bond titles are tricky. Shatterhand would be challenging. I agree it's a bit Austin Powers. But it could work. It might appeal to them:

    Skyfall
    Spectre
    Shatterhand

    Otherwise I fear a return to the live/kill/die type titles, which frankly have been flogged to death.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    What's the point in calling it The Property of A Lady?

    Because Bond is the property of a lady. As long as the Queen is alive at least. So they better use that title quickly.
    Not seeing the relevance here. It sounds like a cheesy fan fiction written by a teenager.

    Sounds like a Fleming title to me.
    Just because it's a Fleming title doesn't mean it has relevance to be used anywhere or anything. Fleming baptized his short story with a relevant title that speaks to it. Bond being glorified as a belonging to Her Majesty and addressing it in wide and large words is something a cheesy fan fiction penned by a teenager out of massive love for Bond is, not only unoriginal but also cringe-worthy. Let's shoehorn any average-sounding chapter title as well just because Fleming wrote it.

    By the same rationale you might as well call OHMSS a cheesy fan fiction title then.
    Would I? On Her Majesty's Secret Service describes the story perfectly well. Bond questions his position within the service many times, England being threatened again, Bond trying to find balance between his personal life with Tracy and his venturing side at the same time as a covert operative, doesn't seem cheesy to me at all. It bodes well perfectly. The title isn't saying Bond is a property of some high authority lady, it's describing the work that's done on behalf of the secret service that's under the authority of the monarch. A secret service that's not made of only ten people or so. That doesn't make Bond special or having to feel glorified.
  • barryt007 wrote: »
    I always liked James Bond of The Secret Service as a title. Kind of derivative of OHMSS but it sounds simple, pulpy and old school. It'd be an awful choice for Bond 25 but I think it'd be a great title for a soft reboot/introduction of the next actor. Doubt they'll use it though because it was Mcclory (and Connery?) who came up with it.

    I think Kingsman's title has put that title to bed forever .

    Didn't think of that but you're right, it is similar so they'll probably avoid anything to do with "xxx on/of the secret service" for a while. Maybe they could use it for a videogame if we ever get a game along the lines of the Batman Arkham games (its own universe seperate from the films).
    Shatterhand is the right title. Bond 25 should be called Shatterhand.

    100% agree. The Death Collector would be okay too I guess but if they're going to do YOLT they really have to call it Shatterhand.
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    There is a guy on reddit who 7 months ago claimed that "David Mackenzie came close to being offered the director's job before Christmas" and also wrote that "Sam Mendes and Daniel Craig WILL return". https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/5fe0d1/craig_and_mendes_to_return_for_bond_25/dcfb8ao/?context=3

    I can't see Mendes coming back at all
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Sure it's been suggested already but what about The Garden of Death?

    Too melodramatic?

    I don't know if The Garden of Death falls into that category, but I've always wondered why EON haven't mined chapter titles for the films. Obviously only a few really have any real potential. I've pilfered these from another site:

    A Whisper of Love, A Whisper of Hate (CR)
    Cards With a Stranger (MR)
    The Eye That Never Sleeps (DAF)
    Bitter Champagne (DAF)
    We Don't Like Mistakes (DAF)
    The Job Comes Second (DAF)
    Death is So Permanent (DAF)
    The Slaughterer (FRWL)
    The Wizard of Ice (FRWL)
    The Beautiful Lure (FRWL)
    Black on Pink (FRWL)
    The Killing Bottle (FRWL)
    The Finger on the Trigger (DN)
    The Long Scream (DN)
    Reflections in a Double Bourbon (GF)
    The Pressure Room (GF)
    Crime de la Crime (GF)
    The Richest Man in History (GF)
    Take It Easy Mr. Bond (TB)
    How to Eat a Girl (TB)
    When the Kissing Stopped (TB)
    The Shadower (TB)
    The Gambit of Shame (OHMSS)
    Death For Breakfast (OHMSS)
    Downhill Only (OHMSS)
    Fork Left For Hell! (OHMSS)
    Blood-lift (OHMSS)
    Hell's Delight (OHMSS)
    The Death Collector (YOLT)
    Slay It With Flowers (YOLT)
    The Question Room (YOLT)
    Blood and Thunder (YOLT)
    The Easy Grand (TMWTGG)
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    As someone who hasn't read any of the Fleming novels, the word "Shatterhand" doesn't mean anything to me. I think it would be an awful title, it just sounds corny and bad.

    P. S.
    NO BLOFELD. And NO David Arnold, please!
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    Bond 25 will for sure get at least a $200 million dollar budget and will probably be another close to 3 hour film like Skyfall & Spectre were
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    No Blofeld isn't a possibility in the Craig era. Not with the direction they're taking.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 15,124
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    What's the point in calling it The Property of A Lady?

    Because Bond is the property of a lady. As long as the Queen is alive at least. So they better use that title quickly.
    Not seeing the relevance here. It sounds like a cheesy fan fiction written by a teenager.

    Sounds like a Fleming title to me.
    Just because it's a Fleming title doesn't mean it has relevance to be used anywhere or anything. Fleming baptized his short story with a relevant title that speaks to it. Bond being glorified as a belonging to Her Majesty and addressing it in wide and large words is something a cheesy fan fiction penned by a teenager out of massive love for Bond is, not only unoriginal but also cringe-worthy. Let's shoehorn any average-sounding chapter title as well just because Fleming wrote it.

    You said it sounds like teenage fanfic. It's a Fleming title whatever the context, as he came with it. And you're making assumptions about said context. I never said anything about glorifying Bond as the Queen's servant. I actually have NO idea where you get that from and what's your argument behind this "reasoning". I'm saying the title has relevance to his state as a British civil servant. Like OHMSS by the way. A movie can have a context when the title could be relevant.
  • RC7RC7
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    Shatterhand puts them on a slippery slope imo, much like Spectre. To fans, it's a big statement. Expectation is tenfold when compared with a more vague moniker such as Skyfall. In that scenario there would be too many fans hyped for a specific vision and story. It's achievable to get away with it but they'd fare much better with a more obscure, but typically Flemingian title, where the hype and chit-chat in places like this is not all channelled down the same YOLT shaped hole.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    As someone who hasn't read any of the Fleming novels, the word "Shatterhand" doesn't mean anything to me. I think it would be an awful title, it just sounds corny and bad.

    P. S.
    NO BLOFELD. And NO David Arnold, please!

    That's true of most Bond titles. What does a Goldfinger mean? Or a Thunderball? Or a Octopussy? Or a Skyfall? Unless you've read the book or seen the film you'd have no idea. It does prevent them being iconic.
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    Yea Shatterhand def sounds like the best title and the most interesting title to get people to come see the movie.

    Property of a lady and garden of death just doesn't sound like an attention grabber
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    No Blofeld isn't a possibility in the Craig era. Not with the direction they're taking.
    ClarkDevlin in 2001: "No Christmas Jones isn't a possibility in the Brosnan era. Not with the direction they're taking."
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    There is a guy on reddit who 7 months ago claimed that "David Mackenzie came close to being offered the director's job before Christmas" and also wrote that "Sam Mendes and Daniel Craig WILL return". https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesBond/comments/5fe0d1/craig_and_mendes_to_return_for_bond_25/dcfb8ao/?context=3
    Very interesting.
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