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The worst thing they could do now is have Craig back and not bother with Blofeld or any of that. If they sweep SP under the carpet and give him a straightforward Bond film then what's the point? They have the perfect opportunity to finally do YOLT right, and if they're going to insist on Craig being back instead of a fresh start (when SP worked as an ending) they'd better use it. That's been what's keeping me excited. I wanted a fresh start but I've been okay with the idea of Craig returning because one of the best Bond's ever, one of the closest to the books and the best actor to play Bond doing my favourite Bond novel justice? Can't really complain there. But if they bring him back and don't take anything from YOLT or follow up from SP at all then I really don't see the point.
Basically, if they're not going to give us the Bond/Blofeld showdown we've been waiting for and are instead going for a change in direction with Craig then they may as well have given us a proper fresh start. I'm confident that's the direction they're going in though. Say what you will about Purvis and Wade but they seem to know Fleming, and Craig wants to go out on a high, what better way than how he started: giving a brilliant critic silencing performance in a really well done adaptation of one of the original novels (the best one imo). If they do YOLT and do it well it has a good chance of seeing my favourite Bond film. Yeah it'd be a depressing ending but it'd also be a perfect one and they can easily do something more fun for Bond 26. But for now they shouldn't worry about going too dark because it'd be a waste of a great opportunity.
Bond 25 (please call it Shatterhand) should have the bleakest atmosphere of the series imo. If they wanted a change in direction they should have got a new actor. But for now don't blueball us. I want a Bond who's a broken alcoholic givento be a new lease of life when he has the chance to kill his arch nemesis, with a finale that has him swimming past sharks and scaling the walls of a castle built on a volcano to have one last showdown against an insane samurai Blofeld, who's holed up in his suicide garden. That's a very dark premise so it should be a dark film.
I was watching it closely. The damn thing took forever to get over the $200m number. That's what they were shooting for. After it got there, they pulled it.
No, it really had limited buzz after the first week stateside. All everyone was talking about was SW. Completely the opposite reaction existed for SF, which had TDK type watercooler conversations going on for weeks. Word of mouth was immense with the prior film.
Let me take a wild guess. All this water cooler talk was mainly about the dead of M, wasn't it?
Others were taking parents and grandparents to see it. Even I insisted that my folks go to watch it with me on 2nd viewing (the first Bond film they've seen in a theatre since Moore retired). They loved it.
But if he's only returning for one more, will they wrap that storyline up then? No way they'd be stupid enough to blow it all in one film, but two isn't any better. Curious if we get another cliffhanger and try and kick off the Spectre angle once again with a new actor.
Hinx doesn't bother me either way but I would prefer a new henchman,as otherwise we are heading back into SP 2 territory.
Madeleine shouldn't even be discussed,she was a Bond girl,end of.
All they have to do is someone mention her to Bond ,and Bond to say a throwaway remark like "she wasn't the girl I thought she was" ,and then that's it,move on.
2 is def not enough IMO. If I had it my way this movie be a 2 parter with the latter being more closely to YOLT but since it's not gonna be I think they can close the Blofeld storyline in the one. Especially if this film is gonna be another close to 3 hour movie which it likely will be. I just hope they will have enough time to kill Madeline off and still do a proper YOLT adaptation.
Agreed. Would be bizarre for DC to go out with some sunny, breezy entry. It would not frankly be a fitting end.
Nonsense. The whole point of her character and the whole point of Spectre's ending was that she wasn't just a Bond girl. She is the woman Bond hoped Vesper was, the woman he can settle down with.
Thanks pal..
I would rather Camille came back ,if they insist on bringing back a Craig Bond girl for a 2nd time.
US market only: Skyfall sold something like 38 million tickets (No. 3 007 film behind Thunderball and Goldfinger, ahead of You Only Live Twice). SPECTRE sold 23 million, lowest of Craig's four films.
I'm sure it'll never happen but she'd be the one I'd love to see return, as well. It'd be more believable to me, her returning over Madeleine.
Which suggests the film performed exceptionally well outside the US?
It's a circular debate, and obviously the US remains the most important single market, but there is a world and a demand for Bond outside of America. Some Bond films that have performed poorly in the US have done very well in the rest of the world. SP was a big BO success, period, regardless of where those bums came from.
FYEO - is it Blofeld, oh wait let's just have him in there but not name him with an obscure piece of dialogue to annoy Kevin McClory.
Let's have a proper end to Blofeld.
Very well said. I think that's what we're in for with Bond 25. Very bleak, brooding and reflective. They've done this too many times now to not do it again.
In broad terms I agree but for individual/specific cases not really. When you're expenditure on a project is close to you're total revenue and the profits are further divided up, there's barely anything left. If EoN were a charity then fine but they're a profit-centric business. Worse yet, the most money studios and production companies get comes from the domestic market. There's a reason why films, especially tentpoles that do so well overseas and do poorly stateside are given no regard. The amazing spider-man 2 (crap film) made slightly more money domestically and earned $709million total. Had a budget of $255million and a reported marketing budget if at least $180 million. Spider-Man is bigger than Bond in every way and yet they had no choice to reboot everything...again for the second time 2 years later.
It's not that difficult. The numbers are out there and even then they dont have to be precise down to the correct decimal. Knowing how breakeven works within the film industry gives a general overvue strong enough to determine ballpark figures.
That's ancillary revenue which is all well and good but for face value success and for deals and investments to be made sooner or at all the BO numbers are absoloutly critical.
Making a profit isn't being disputed. What I'm looking at are the actual margins to see how profitable these films are. Looking at LTK's numbers (box office, marketing and budget), before profit sharing the film would have secured about $23million on it's $36million budget. Once that 23million is divided up, what did EoN go home with? A number not worth boasting about i can tell you that. These films aren't made to lose money, nor to just break even or walk away with a barely there profit. In any case we'll see what numbers get thrown at Bond 25 together up and running and see how that turns out.
This will probably be a lower key character based affair. Fewer locations. More immersive. Fewer action set pieces. The anti-SP. That's my guess.
Better outside the U.S. (relatively) than inside it.
Anyway, I looked it up. Skyfall was in US theaters for 108 days. SPECTRE was in US theaters for 154 (and well after it was available on home video).
On day 108, SPECTRE's gross was $199,778,275.
A lot of movies would have loved to get $200 million US gross. But somebody apparently decided they needed a nice, round number.
Yes, but anything under 200 seems very unlikely. 180 at the bare minimum, if they make it about the characters and tighten up the story from where they left SP. They won't go any lower than that, and they won't go higher than 220 if I were to guess.
Okay. I stand corrected.
Cool.
Maybe 30 mil
Less, I think. 60 million?
That might be a mistake in my opinion. That way SP was perceived by many they need to go all in this time. 'All in' in the inspired kind of way not the Mendes approach. They just have to make up for what was wrong with SP. The last thing they need is a word of mouth along the lines of "you know this one is a little bit slower and more low key".