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Weren't you there?
Totally agree with the logic, but I have to say I didn't feel QOS had a lot of gloss and appeal when it came out, despite new Bond release fever. Love it now though :)
Yes I was. And I remember it very well. People were in the theatre wondering what the heck was happening. I lost faith in Brosnan that night.
Agree. High heels? ;))
I never said he was. Just that he lost his aura that day to me.
So you have Brosnan s aura now?
Instead of being the best since Sean Connery it made me reevaluate his tenure as Bond and what he brought to the franchise. Than is what I meant.
I wasn't actually sure...if I should create the topic hehe :-). You never know how people perceive this topic...
Connery got DAF & turned in an okay performance.
Brosnan got DAD & turned in his BEST performance.
\:D/
I always prefer to be positive-spirited about our beloved Bond franchise. Critical, though still positive ;-).
My friends and I went to a pub after the first viewing where we talked about DAD the whole night. We were not the only ones.
DAD was hugely, hugely popular in Europe.
And it hit the right tone for 2002. Just look at XXX or the two Charlie's Angels movies.
That was the audience wanted back then and my favourite quote of Tomorrow Never Dies hits it perfectly:
GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT
I frankly don't know anybody in my age-range who dislike DAD today or rates it lower than, say, Top 12.
BUT...Die Another Day NOW seems strangely dated as do all those action/comedies of that time.
Bad CGI can be found everywhere of that era, in Harry Potter, Spider-Man, Mummy etc.
DAD's last act was over-the-top, like Moonraker's space sequence.
Still, Moonraker is a classic now.
Die Another Day will be viewed upon the exact way as Moonraker once it is old enough.
Hence why it is loosing its gloss and appeal :-P.
Top 12?!? It's uncommon in the top 19 :))
I'd rank it above NSNA. Just.
I'm curious though why you rank DAD so incredibly....low :-). We have been criticizing Craig's last Bond outing a lot....A LOT, but why isn't the film ranked lower than DAD :-)?
SF is a higher class of fail IMO. SF is like when someone aims really high but totally misses the mark. DAD is a film that aims low and succeeds.
I think my views on DAD are self explanatory and understood by many (although some disagree). It's a parody, and not a good one at that. Comedic entertainment taking the piss out of its history (in an anniversary year no less) openly and unashamedly. It should be credited with that at least I suppose. I truly believe EON chose to one up Austin Powers (due to that franchise's success at that time), and realized what a mistake this was when Bourne came out in the same year and showed that one does not need to take the piss out of the spy genre to be successful.
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Regarding Craig's last outing - that's a different sort of discussion. I don't think anyone really believes it's anywhere as disgraceful as DAD (well....maybe some do).
With SF, it's more unmet expectations for some imho. CR set the bar so very high (after DAD) and brought so much originality and creativity enthusiastically to the table.
QoS (apart from the quick edits) also was not afraid to be original and daring with the Bond formula, gave us a coherent, if slightly bare and stripped down plot, and a film saving performance from Daniel Craig. It was almost 70'sish (and I mean that in a good way) in its seriousness and lack of padding and ostentation.
SF attracts criticism by many because it failed to follow through (in some people's minds) on what had begun with CR & QoS. Stylistically and acting wise it did, no doubt. However, plot wise it did not (it was a woefully unoriginal and pedestrian plot if you think about it) and things like the flashlight & DB5 have rubbed people the wrong way, as have the pretention (including M's Tennyson speech etc.). As you know, I like it a lot and can forgive its flaws, but I can understand why many can't. By objective assessment, the latter half is a bit of an incoherent and unbelievable mess (with Bond reduced to being a bystander and coming up with ridiculous ideas), but the earlier half sort of redeems it in my eyes.
I also think SF really gets the criticism mainly because of its success (which some find unwarranted), because it's the last one (and so it's normal for it to be bashed the most) and because those who like it defend it with similar (and sometimes indefensible and unobjective) passion. The criticism is an equal and opposite reaction to that.
It's really not a bad film, but the same can't be said for DAD, imho.
That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard: "DAD is a film that aims low and succeeds" . Tell that to the Bond producers. Every Bond productions aims to give us the best 'Bond films ever'. Taking that into account, I find DAD a higher class of fail than SF.....
And it never had "gloss". It may have had lukewarm "appeal" on release.
I don't think "I was out walking my rat and seem I have lost my way" is particularly aiming higher than "You've had your six"
I agree with this and what you say sums up my problems with SF pretty well. It's nice to see a SF fan who actually appreciates why some people might not like it - and it's NOT because we prefer DAD!
Most stupid thing ever?
Well when EON decided to reference every other Bond film in DAD I'd say that was a stupid idea that gives my post a good run for its money.
"Yo mama"
Or "And I AM GOING AFTER HIM!!"
As if 007 had to become the Terminator....