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Are the Komodo Dragons the silliest things in the Craig era so far?

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Dalton's problem was he followed Mr. Charisma himself: Roger Moore. He was always going to pale in comparison on this particular measure, as would almost anyone imo.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Dalton's handsome without a doubt. But I do think he's got a "TV drama" quality about him. That may be where some of the criticisms about his "lack of charisma" come from.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    The POINT is, that Craig has a similar charisma, or lack thereof, or whatever, that suits him well as Bond IMO.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    When Craig is meant to be laid back and at ease I think he could do it more convincingly than Dalts could. TBH I can't quite see Dalton pulling off the train scene with Vesper as well as Craig does.
  • jobojobo
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    Dlaton has charisma in spades! Not in the cocky "I am king of the world, look at me" sort of way. His charisma lies more in his sophisticated presence, his gentlemanship and intensity on screen, but its certainly there.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    jobo wrote: »
    Dlaton has charisma in spades! Not in the cocky "I am king of the world, look at me" sort of way. His charisma lies more in his sophisticated presence, his gentlemanship and intensity on screen, but its certainly there.

    Dalton had charisma in many movies, but IMO not his Bond movies.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Interesting that you mention the Vesper scene as an example to prove your point about Dalton @BAIN123. This is what I was talking about in another thread about Dalton. He was not very convincing with the girls, coming across somewhat sentimental. I'm not sure if that was because of EON futzing about with PC or whether it was Dalton himself.

    He certainly showed that he could be very charismatic in certain scenes (like the beginning scenes with Saunders in TLD in Bratislava) so I'm more willing to put the blame on EON not knowing what they wanted of Dalton's Bond.

    I think Dalton was a good enough actor to do anything as long as EON knew what they wanted, which they obviously did not, to me, in 1987 -1989.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I think it may also be due to Dalton being perceived, unfairly, as the usurper.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    Is this topic the silliest thing on the entire forum?

    Seriously, I understand the "need" for a series of "silliest" topics for each Bond actor...but Craig's movies just haven't approached the silliness factor of Moore's. We've gotten to the point where we're discussing whether or not Craig is miscast as Bond, which is a reasonable topic to discuss...but it's not really the thread title, now is it?

    My opinion: Craig is a surprising choice as Bond, but he's done a great job in the role. I had no problem with the Komodo dragons (and again, CGI dragons vs. real dragons is a worthwhile topic but it's not what this thread's title promises.) And for the record, Elvis' toupee is by far the silliest thing in the Craig era.
  • JCRendleJCRendle
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    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    Is this topic the silliest thing on the entire forum?
    Nah, the Spam posts are much sillier ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Birdleson wrote: »
    At best, a few female characters mention that he has cruel features which they are attracted too. Craig is probably closer to that than any of them.

    Very true, especially of Craig. He has a certain rugged, weathered, McQueen'esque look, but he's not a pretty boy by any means. I think he definitely looks the part for Bond.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    At best, a few female characters mention that he has cruel features which they are attracted too. Craig is probably closer to that than any of them.

    Very true, especially of Craig. He has a certain rugged, weathered, McQueen'esque look, but he's not a pretty boy by any means. I think he definitely looks the part for Bond.

    I agree. This is why I think Cumberbatch would be all wrong for Bond.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I wouldn't say Bond was ever "ugly" physically. He was having a "cruel" mouth and cold eyes but also having " a clean cut face (Casino Royale) and being "devilishly handsome" (FRWL).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Given Fleming himself favoured Cary Grant for DN, I wonder if Grant's facial appearance may have been somewhere along the lines of his intention, or whether it was just because Fleming thought he could carry the film and establish the movie franchise.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Off topic, but I think Craig will redefine the way we see Bond physically and will influence future castings. I think we will see far less Brosnan or Moore and see far more harder looking men.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I cannot believe any sane person would criticise Daniel Craig's portrayal of 007. Utter madness! Freedom of speech has some funny uses!

    Believe it or not, film is subjective and people have different opinions on what is good or bad.Its not madness, it is a fact of life.If you cant handle that, thats your problem.

    In my personal opinon, Daniel Craig is terribly miscast as Bond.He does not have the looks or charisma to portray the character effectively.If you think hes great, then thats fine.That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

    But acting is not completely subjective. There are good actors, bad actors, amazing actors, etc. Of course a great actor can be miscast. But to say Craig does not have the look or charisma is pushing it.

    Yes it is subjective.Some people believe Jennifer Lawrence for example is a great actress, personally i think she is not.I dont care how many oscars an actor has, plenty of bad actors ( Kim Basinger and Nicolas Cage ) have been awarded oscars because they were flavour of the month at the time.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    .Some people believe Jennifer Lawrence for example is a great actress, personally i think she is not.I dont care how many oscars an actor has, plenty of bad actors ( Kim Basinger and Nicolas Cage ) have been awarded oscars because they were flavour of the month at the time.

    You know, I admit that I dismissed JL out of hand without seeing any of her movies, and I admit now I was wrong. I saw American Hustle and she was absolutely outstanding in that.

    You're right that Oscars mean nothing though. Look at Halle.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    bondjames wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    .Some people believe Jennifer Lawrence for example is a great actress, personally i think she is not.I dont care how many oscars an actor has, plenty of bad actors ( Kim Basinger and Nicolas Cage ) have been awarded oscars because they were flavour of the month at the time.

    You know, I admit that I dismissed JL out of hand without seeing any of her movies, and I admit now I was wrong. I saw American Hustle and she was absolutely outstanding in that.

    You're right that Oscars mean nothing though. Look at Halle.

    watch JL in Winter's Bone, bloody brilliant and scary movie about society.

    As for Halle, her oscar was well deserved, she played an amazing role. It might however not be your cup of tea which does not mean it was not a great role.

  • LudovicoLudovico
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I cannot believe any sane person would criticise Daniel Craig's portrayal of 007. Utter madness! Freedom of speech has some funny uses!

    Believe it or not, film is subjective and people have different opinions on what is good or bad.Its not madness, it is a fact of life.If you cant handle that, thats your problem.

    In my personal opinon, Daniel Craig is terribly miscast as Bond.He does not have the looks or charisma to portray the character effectively.If you think hes great, then thats fine.That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

    But acting is not completely subjective. There are good actors, bad actors, amazing actors, etc. Of course a great actor can be miscast. But to say Craig does not have the look or charisma is pushing it.

    Yes it is subjective.Some people believe Jennifer Lawrence for example is a great actress, personally i think she is not.I dont care how many oscars an actor has, plenty of bad actors ( Kim Basinger and Nicolas Cage ) have been awarded oscars because they were flavour of the month at the time.

    I am saying it is not merely subjective, and the Oscars are non sequitur: yes Oscars are awarded to flavours of the month. That means nothing about the intrinsic quality of an actor.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Well, are they?
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Not any more.
  • jobojobo
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Not any more.


    So what is, then?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    jobo wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Not any more.


    So what is, then?

    @Shardlake?
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    jobo wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Not any more.


    So what is, then?

    The Bond-Oberhauser angle in SPECTRE.

    The silly elements of the "car chase" from SPECTRE.

    Or

    The torture scene from SPECTRE.

    The Bond and Swann relationship as presented in the latter part of SPECTRE.

    Or

    The entire third act of SPECTRE

    Any of those for me.


  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    The Komodo Dragons were an unnecessary distraction, yet superfluous to the film in general. (Although if you're going to have CGI elements, does the film really need it, bear in mind this is a Bond movie?)

    The real issue is Silva's escape plan and the Oberhauser/Blofeld connection in SP.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    The Blofeld connection is out right the silliest thing of the Craig era.

    The Komodo Dragon bit while not the best thing is excusable to me and Silva's escape yeah it's a plot hole but it tops pretty much every sequence bar the PTS in SPECTRE for me.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
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    I have three from the Craig era. And surprisingly none from Spectre yet that I can think of.

    The number one spot would have to be the Italian lady in QoS during the foot chase. I still don't know what she said exactly because there were no subtitles for it..haha.. Not that it would matter since it felt really off and out of place anyway. Really took me out of the scene for a while there.

    Second would've to be the free falling one from QoS, again. That one just ruined it. Parachutes open a fraction of a second? No way in hell can you survive a fall like that. Terrible.

    Last one would've to be from SF. The komodo dragon scene. It was pretty tongue in cheek and felt like it was forced. Cringeworthy.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Komodo dragons are mostly scavengers. They are not like alligators, who will eat anything that moves.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    bondjames wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    .Some people believe Jennifer Lawrence for example is a great actress, personally i think she is not.I dont care how many oscars an actor has, plenty of bad actors ( Kim Basinger and Nicolas Cage ) have been awarded oscars because they were flavour of the month at the time.

    You know, I admit that I dismissed JL out of hand without seeing any of her movies, and I admit now I was wrong. I saw American Hustle and she was absolutely outstanding in that.

    You're right that Oscars mean nothing though. Look at Halle.

    I can't agree about Halle. I can agree that she's not an all round incredible actress but her performance in monster's ball was excellent and Oscar worthy and she deserved the win.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I'd say the Elvis music during the car chase in SP is now the silliest moment. I cringed when I heard that in the cinema.
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