Quantum of Solace Appreciation Thread- We Found a Better Place to Meet

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Getafix wrote: »
    And then Bond bedding Camille! ;)

    No, no, no. It was a fine atypically Plutonic relationship.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    And then Bond bedding Camille! ;)

    No, no, no. It was a fine atypically Plutonic relationship.

    Can you say that in english for those who don't speak spy? ;)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Can you say that in english for those who don't speak spy? ;)
    Your admiration for TWINE is showing. :))
    But I grok it, so I reach.
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    jobo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    As others have noted before, if Bond discovered goons in that underwater lake that he had to take out, along with a bit of a temporary base of operations, that would have made it a PERFECT movie.
    There, back on topic.

    Yes, I thought that from the first time I saw it in the cinema. When they parachute down into the underground cavern, there should have been goons driving dumper trucks etc - and the film should have ended with those underground reservoirs being blown up and the water gushing back out into the surrounding villages.

    Wow, I think even Tamahori would have been proud of such cheesy outlandishness! ;))

    I know - it could have turned it into a bit of a cheese-fest. But I think if handled well, they could have incorporated some more trad Bond elements but kept it fresh and updated. It's all about how things are executed at the end of the day. The reason I don't like SF is that despite a lot of the ideas being good, I just done think they're realised very well.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 7,507
    Getafix wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    As others have noted before, if Bond discovered goons in that underwater lake that he had to take out, along with a bit of a temporary base of operations, that would have made it a PERFECT movie.
    There, back on topic.

    Yes, I thought that from the first time I saw it in the cinema. When they parachute down into the underground cavern, there should have been goons driving dumper trucks etc - and the film should have ended with those underground reservoirs being blown up and the water gushing back out into the surrounding villages.

    Wow, I think even Tamahori would have been proud of such cheesy outlandishness! ;))

    I know - it could have turned it into a bit of a cheese-fest. But I think if handled well, they could have incorporated some more trad Bond elements but kept it fresh and updated. It's all about how things are executed at the end of the day. The reason I don't like SF is that despite a lot of the ideas being good, I just done think they're realised very well.

    I quite agree. They could at least have spent som more time elaborating on how the lack of water affected the bolivian society. Showed some more misery than just one shot of an empty water pipe. And Greene should have been at the center of it all, leading the operations. That would might have lead to a bigger emotional connection for a lot of the audience, I don't know...

    And it wouldn't be so hard to incorporate some traditional army vs army battle at the end. Felix getting a change of heart, puting Beam in his place, and sending an army after Bond at the desert hotel. Or something... I don't know... It might have spiced up things... :-?

    But its obvious Forster wanted to do his own thing, and got the freedom to do so. And it resulted in a truly unique Bond film, and for me, a welcome oddity in the series. So I don't complain too much.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2015 Posts: 23,883
    jobo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    As others have noted before, if Bond discovered goons in that underwater lake that he had to take out, along with a bit of a temporary base of operations, that would have made it a PERFECT movie.
    There, back on topic.

    Yes, I thought that from the first time I saw it in the cinema. When they parachute down into the underground cavern, there should have been goons driving dumper trucks etc - and the film should have ended with those underground reservoirs being blown up and the water gushing back out into the surrounding villages.

    Wow, I think even Tamahori would have been proud of such cheesy outlandishness! ;))

    I know - it could have turned it into a bit of a cheese-fest. But I think if handled well, they could have incorporated some more trad Bond elements but kept it fresh and updated. It's all about how things are executed at the end of the day. The reason I don't like SF is that despite a lot of the ideas being good, I just done think they're realised very well.

    I quite agree. They could at least have spent som more time elaborating on how the lack of water affected the bolivian society. Showed some more misery than just one shot of an empty water pipe. And Greene should have been at the center of it all, leading the operations. That would might have lead to a bigger emotional connection for a lot of the audience, I don't know...

    And it wouldn't be so hard to incorporate some traditional army vs army battle at the end. Felix getting a change of heart, puting Beam in his place, and sending an army after Bond at the desert hotel. Or something... I don't know... It might have spiced up things... :-?

    But its obvious Forster wanted to do his own thing, and got the freedom to do so. And it resulted in a truly unique Bond film, and for me, a welcome oddity in the series. So I don't complain too much.

    I agree.

    I too noticed that Forster intentionally took a completely different approach here.

    He stripped the narrative bare almost (for a Bond film) and sort of let the imagery do the talking. We sort of have to fill in the gaps ourselves with this film. So the dripping tap is an example of this (the visuals and the shots of the locals make us understand what is happening without it being spoken/explained). The same goes for nearly everything in this film. It's sort of like an elaborate music video in a way with only the essential conversations included. On top of that, it has all the Bourne style quick edits but still retains the glamorous beauty/rich colours of a traditional Bond film.

    In a way, I can see this movie appealing equally to all races/cultures and rather easy to translate into other languages, because there is more imagery than narrative/complex characterisations/exposition.

    Very daring, creative and artistic but certainly not for everyone.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 1,596
    It's a shame that Forster is no Michael Mann, because his knack for imagery and visual poetry is amateurish at best. Regardless, I see these as simply being excuses for QOS' poor plot and narrative. Due to the writer's strike, and quotes from several members of the cast and crew, I don't think Forster's "letting the imagery do the talking" was intentional.

    We have to fill in the gaps ourselves because the writing is shit, not because Forster is a master of visual storytelling.

    There I go talking about it again after I said I wouldn't. Damn QOS' perpetual allure.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 11,425
    I actually think the writing - what there is of it - is not bad in QoS. It's stripped back. Unlike a lot of recent Bond movies, it doesn't have clunky, overwraught dialogue. I agree the story and plot could have possibly benefited from more work, but I actually think Forster and Craig pull it off with QoS. It works. Not a classic, but I like it. It could easily have been a bigger, more epic Bond movie, and I can think of lots of places where they could have just made the story and action 'bigger', but having said that, it would then have been a totally different movie.

    Despite it's immense budget, it feels like quite a 'small' intimate film.
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    I can respect that opinion, although I obviously disagree.
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    I don't think the writing is bad actually. QOS has very good dialogues and the villain's scheme is original, large scale and believable.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't think the writing is bad actually. QOS has very good dialogues and the villain's scheme is original, large scale and believable.

    I agree. I think the villain's scheme is good and although it is quite large scale in concept, you never 'see' this scale on screen. Hence my suggestion that they could have ellaborated by having more of a 'baddy base' scenario around the underground reservoir. I would have enjoyed that, but I understand why they didn't do it. The film keeps everything very much focused on the individual characters right up to the end.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    I may have posted this elsewhere...but one of the appealing aspects of QoS is Forster's use of water as a motif. We get this from the very opening scene, over Lake Garda. Then: the chase with Mitchell, which includes splashes through puddles; the dead man in the harbor; the boat chase in Haiti; the water in the vase that rocks back and forth in the bumpy takeoff in Greene's plane; the Bergenz opera house, which is known for its stage floating on water (Forster could have filmed an opera scene anywhere, and yet he purposely chose this location, right?); Mathis's home on the lake; the water found in the sinkhole; and Felix and Beam talking about the drinking water. And so there is a contrast set up where the film's climax takes place in a waterless desert. Afterward, when Bond confronts Yusef, we're back to water again: but it's snow, falling, and this is where Bond drops Vesper's necklace.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited March 2015 Posts: 7,546
    Getafix wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't think the writing is bad actually. QOS has very good dialogues and the villain's scheme is original, large scale and believable.

    I agree. I think the villain's scheme is good and although it is quite large scale in concept, you never 'see' this scale on screen. Hence my suggestion that they could have ellaborated by having more of a 'baddy base' scenario around the underground reservoir. I would have enjoyed that, but I understand why they didn't do it. The film keeps everything very much focused on the individual characters right up to the end.

    That would have been a really neat idea, an underground lair of sorts. I certainly enjoy QoS for what it is, though, and the realization that it was written during the writers' strike really put things in perspective. Solid film for sure.

    Great observations, @TripAces. Also, Bond gives Greene motor oil to drink, which he ends up doing, wishing it was water I'm sure.

    It would have been cool if they included a scene cutting between Greene walking through the desert, and someone driving fast towards him in a Land Rover; Greene keeps considering the motor oil, then we see the car speeding at him. The audience is thinking, here's Quantum come to save him and bring him back into the fold, but will they get him before he drinks it? Finally he drinks it and collapses to his knees, and just afterwards Mr. White arrives in the car and shoots him in the back, killing him. Would have reinforced Quantum as an efficient organization tying up all its loose ends.

    Don't know if it would have been any good but it was just something I thought up that would be cool to see.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 15,106
    Thinking about it, Greene had a very poetic death with a neat tragic irony: he who wanted to own and control water supplies in Bolivia he dies, at least partially, of thirst, until the bullets kill him. Dante would call it a contrapasso.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I actually think the writing - what there is of it - is not bad in QoS. It's stripped back. Unlike a lot of recent Bond movies, it doesn't have clunky, overwraught dialogue. I agree the story and plot could have possibly benefited from more work, but I actually think Forster and Craig pull it off with QoS. It works. Not a classic, but I like it. It could easily have been a bigger, more epic Bond movie, and I can think of lots of places where they could have just made the story and action 'bigger', but having said that, it would then have been a totally different movie.

    Despite it's immense budget, it feels like quite a 'small' intimate film.

    This is what iv always thought as well.Its a very small film for Bond.

  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited March 2015 Posts: 2,138
    Great QOS discussion inspired me so dug out my QOS gear for going out tonight

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    What jacket is that?
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    What jacket is that?

    It took me a year to track down something close the film. This one is by Burton menswear UK dept store. I believe you can still get it. Its a very dark Navy. The Y3 from QOS is near impossible to find.

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Great QOS discussion inspired me so dug out my QOS gear for going out tonight

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    Well done. I have a similar QoS outfit, but I like your jacket better.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited March 2015 Posts: 2,138
    Comparative

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  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Great QOS discussion inspired me so dug out my QOS gear for going out tonight

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    adult photo sharing

    Well done. I have a similar QoS outfit, but I like your jacket better.

    Thanks mate, there are a few jackets on the market you probably found the same issue as I did. Getting one with a big collar like the screen version.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Now I wanna watch it again... need.... Blu... Ray...
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    You must really, really love QOS.
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    I'm put off by all of this.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    What next? Someone posting pictures of herself dressed as Rosa Klebb?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    As long as it's a healthy attempt at imitating the admittedly stylish clothing (and not other Bondian pursuits like killing people with bare hands etc.) then I'm all for it. Perhaps this should be posted in the Style/Wardrobe thread instead.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited March 2015 Posts: 2,138
    I'm put off by all of this.

    Shakes head. Seriously what a troll. Who gives a s#@t what you think. I was discussing with other fans the clothing inspired by QOS and this thread.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited March 2015 Posts: 2,138
    Won't be posting on the site again can't believe the last few comments totally out of order. People with sad little life's who live their life out on the Internet who think their opinion on absolutely anything just to have their say because their so dam self important. Did you consider the fact the clothing was for doing PR work and is part of my job to keep up with what Bond wears? Your just not as important as you think you are.
  • GHettoblasterGHettoblaster New York, USA
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    It wasn't my favorite of craigs three flicks, but I feel like it's own worst enemy was the shadows of Casino Royale and Skyfall. QoS was a solid movie, and I still watch it occasionally it just didn't live up to it's before and after films. I'm not gonna say titles, but I feel it is still better than about ten other bond movies and it gets unfair hate.
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