Quantum of Solace Appreciation Thread- We Found a Better Place to Meet

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  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,016
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Being a fan of the Bourne films I think having Craig's Bond put in a Bourne type film was a dream come true for me.

    Personally I thought it was the way forward for Bond films, especially with Craig's interpretation, but sadly it wasn't to be.

    Rebooting again with Q and gadgets was a big mistake IMO.
    Being a fan of the Bourne films I think having Craig's Bond put in a Bourne type film was a dream come true for me.

    Personally I thought it was the way forward for Bond films, especially with Craig's interpretation, but sadly it wasn't to be.

    Rebooting again with Q and gadgets was a big mistake IMO.

    Again, we agree. Think it was a mistake to reintroduce Q and Moneypenny. It led to the 'Scooby gang' as its dubbed here. I didn't like either actor playing them, Harris trying too hard and Whishaw not trying hard enough!!
    CR and QoS showed we didn't need them.
    They should have been kept for the next reboot!
    Back to QOS, it's definitely coming to my number 1 spot for my 'go to' Bond fix. The short running time helps a lot!

    I watch Quantum a lot. I just love its fast pace and Craig is just so good in it. 👍
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    QOS is possibly Craig's best performance. Perhaps as close as we will ever get to Craig Bond firing on all cylinders
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,136
    Not only is it an excellent action thriller, its great dialogues makes it the funniest, its stylish direction makes it the most beautiful to look at and its fine plot makes it the most meaningful Bond film of this century so far. Also by not spoon-feeding its audience it almost feels like a European art film mixed with a 007 adventure. And that I bloody love. But on the other hand that might also have been its downfall, as such things aren’t for everyone.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,016
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.
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    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.

    Absolutely, but I love the scaffolding fight, and also the plane sequence. I didn't like the boat chase initially, but its grown on me!
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.

    Absolutely, but I love the scaffolding fight, and also the plane sequence. I didn't like the boat chase initially, but its grown on me!

    They’re all meh.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited January 2020 Posts: 7,553
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.

    Absolutely, but I love the scaffolding fight, and also the plane sequence. I didn't like the boat chase initially, but its grown on me!

    Agreed! Love the camerawork done on the boat chase sequence. Also love the Slate fight.

    The aesthetic of Bond walking through the desert in a suit is also a big win IMO. One of those things that doesn't make any sense on it's own but it occurs naturally within the film. That this is also when he realizes that Greene's after the water rather than oil (as well as everything else in the film that's happened up to this point), it's a kind of symbolism of Bond wading through his own harsh realities.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.

    Absolutely, but I love the scaffolding fight, and also the plane sequence. I didn't like the boat chase initially, but its grown on me!

    Agreed! Love the camerawork done on the boat chase sequence. Also love the Slate fight.

    The aesthetic of Bond walking through the desert in a suit is also a big win IMO. One of those things that doesn't make any sense on it's own but it occurs naturally within the film. That this is also when he realizes that Greene's after the water rather than oil (as well as everything else in the film that's happened up to this point), it's a kind of symbolism of Bond wading through his own harsh realities.

    The boat sequence and Slate fight are the worst for me. Could be from any film. Nothing Bond about them.
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    One of the things I really like about the QoS teaser is it throws you right into the thick of the action and doesn't let up until Bond arrives at the Mi6 safehouse. It's also not overlong like most of the Brosnan era teasers that drug on forever.

    Add in the lack of dialogue and the line at the end that is a nice little throwaway rather than a cheap double entendre and there's the added surprise of finding Mr. White in the trunk. It reminds me of the minimal dialogue in classics like FRWL, GF and OHMSS.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.

    Absolutely, but I love the scaffolding fight, and also the plane sequence. I didn't like the boat chase initially, but its grown on me!

    Agreed! Love the camerawork done on the boat chase sequence. Also love the Slate fight.

    The aesthetic of Bond walking through the desert in a suit is also a big win IMO. One of those things that doesn't make any sense on it's own but it occurs naturally within the film. That this is also when he realizes that Greene's after the water rather than oil (as well as everything else in the film that's happened up to this point), it's a kind of symbolism of Bond wading through his own harsh realities.

    The boat sequence and Slate fight are the worst for me. Could be from any film. Nothing Bond about them.

    The boat chase is very poorly done, overall - but it is bookended by one of my favourite "low key" moments in the Craig era, which is everything from Bond moving off in the boat, looking down at Camille unconscious, then transitioning to the coastline and Bond handing Camille over on the dock. A really nice marriage of images and music, and the lack of a quip from Bond makes the scene unique, I feel.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited January 2020 Posts: 7,553
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.

    Absolutely, but I love the scaffolding fight, and also the plane sequence. I didn't like the boat chase initially, but its grown on me!

    Agreed! Love the camerawork done on the boat chase sequence. Also love the Slate fight.

    The aesthetic of Bond walking through the desert in a suit is also a big win IMO. One of those things that doesn't make any sense on it's own but it occurs naturally within the film. That this is also when he realizes that Greene's after the water rather than oil (as well as everything else in the film that's happened up to this point), it's a kind of symbolism of Bond wading through his own harsh realities.

    The boat sequence and Slate fight are the worst for me. Could be from any film. Nothing Bond about them.

    Hmm actually I can see your point. I like them but they’re not particularly Bondian. The slate fight I like because of the deadly efficiency I associate with Bond but otherwise it could be from any action franchise.
  • edited January 2020 Posts: 11,425
    Yes there are probably a few too many action sequences shoe horned into QOS. But the stuff in between is actually pretty good and has some of the best written, acted and directed dramatic moments in the Craig era. It's an imperfect film but I like it. Just has the energy and drive I expect and want from a Bond film. The other Craig films just feel a bit stodgy but comparisson. I realise the longer running times reflect the current trend but I think it will ultimately count against them as they don't have the same enjoyable rewatch value as the early, snappily paced Bond movies.

    Would like to see a new era of lean, stripped back plots, smaller casts and 1hr 45min running times.

    QOS really is the closest we've had in spirit to those first 2 or 3 Bond films for a long time.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,136
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.

    Absolutely, but I love the scaffolding fight, and also the plane sequence. I didn't like the boat chase initially, but its grown on me!

    Agreed! Love the camerawork done on the boat chase sequence. Also love the Slate fight.

    The aesthetic of Bond walking through the desert in a suit is also a big win IMO. One of those things that doesn't make any sense on it's own but it occurs naturally within the film. That this is also when he realizes that Greene's after the water rather than oil (as well as everything else in the film that's happened up to this point), it's a kind of symbolism of Bond wading through his own harsh realities.

    The boat sequence and Slate fight are the worst for me. Could be from any film. Nothing Bond about them.

    The boat chase is very poorly done, overall - but it is bookended by one of my favourite "low key" moments in the Craig era, which is everything from Bond moving off in the boat, looking down at Camille unconscious, then transitioning to the coastline and Bond handing Camille over on the dock. A really nice marriage of images and music, and the lack of a quip from Bond makes the scene unique, I feel.
    Very true, that is an amazingly well-shot sequence. The use of sound and music in this film is brilliant. The opera scene is another prime example of excellent use of sound and music.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    It has some great moments but if you are marking this flawed, at times lost opportunity as the best of the Craig films you really don't like the era at all.

    Its like a band handed compliment really, Craig is fantastic here but I definitely think he had much more of range to do in CR and also I prefer him in SF but if you think this is the best the period had to offer you most likely wouldn't agree with that.

    That being said it is infinitely better than SP, there is some effort to make a good film, unlike SP which comes across as being that the director had lost interest and the star wasn't enjoying himself (regardless of what he says now).

    QOS really isn't for me and others wasn't the proper realised full blooded sequel it should have been and calling it his best shows your contempt for his time in the role.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,811
    From your comments, you don't like the Craig era @Shardlake.

    I like to love all four Craig Bond missions. Looking forward to the next one.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    From your comments, you don't like the Craig era @Shardlake.

    I like to love all four Craig Bond missions. Looking forward to the next one.

    I love the DC era I just see liking QOS the best not really being that complimentary of it, especially when how successful CR and SF are.

    I like QOS it just isn't entirely convincing at what it is trying to achieve, it has great moments and moves at a fair old pace but the best this era has to offer, no chance.

    I couldn't like SPECTRE if I tried, I bloody hate it, Brosnan would have been better in that it was his kind of film. I can't wait for NTTD though.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Shardlake wrote: »
    It has some great moments but if you are marking this flawed, at times lost opportunity as the best of the Craig films you really don't like the era at all.

    Its like a band handed compliment really, Craig is fantastic here but I definitely think he had much more of range to do in CR and also I prefer him in SF but if you think this is the best the period had to offer you most likely wouldn't agree with that.

    That being said it is infinitely better than SP, there is some effort to make a good film, unlike SP which comes across as being that the director had lost interest and the star wasn't enjoying himself (regardless of what he says now).

    QOS really isn't for me and others wasn't the proper realised full blooded sequel it should have been and calling it his best shows your contempt for his time in the role.

    I don't have contempt for his era but I am disappointed with the direction they took after QOS. It's neither maintained the energy of the Craig reboot, nor rekindled the fun and entertainment value of the Connery and Moore eras. I feel Mendes took Craig down a dead end and that his characterisation lost its mojo after QOS.

    I don't feel the Bond of CR and QOS is really the same as SF and SP. I suppose that's what Mendes would call character development.

    Weirdly I feel a little bit the same way about Brosnan. I'm probably unusual in thinking TND was Brosnan's best effort. I actually thought in the first half that they'd really begun to get a grip on Bond again. But then TWINE and DAD were both just really awful.

    SF and SP are much better than TWINE and DAD but they're not as good as I was hoping they'd be.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    It has some great moments but if you are marking this flawed, at times lost opportunity as the best of the Craig films you really don't like the era at all.

    Its like a band handed compliment really, Craig is fantastic here but I definitely think he had much more of range to do in CR and also I prefer him in SF but if you think this is the best the period had to offer you most likely wouldn't agree with that.

    That being said it is infinitely better than SP, there is some effort to make a good film, unlike SP which comes across as being that the director had lost interest and the star wasn't enjoying himself (regardless of what he says now).

    QOS really isn't for me and others wasn't the proper realised full blooded sequel it should have been and calling it his best shows your contempt for his time in the role.

    I don't have contempt for his era but I am disappointed with the direction they took after QOS. It's neither maintained the energy of the Craig reboot, nor rekindled the fun and entertainment value of the Connery and Moore eras. I feel Mendes took Craig down a dead end and that his characterisation lost its mojo after QOS.

    I don't feel the Bond of CR and QOS is really the same as SF and SP. I suppose that's what Mendes would call character development.

    Weirdly I feel a little bit the same way about Brosnan. I'm probably unusual in thinking TND was Brosnan's best effort. I actually thought in the first half that they'd really begun to get a grip on Bond again. But then TWINE and DAD were both just really awful.

    SF and SP are much better than TWINE and DAD but they're not as good as I was hoping they'd be.

    It really feels like we were robbed by not getting the Craig Bond at his peak, transitioning from new OO to weary, burnt-out Bond. And although I am trying to stay spoiler-free for NTTD, I feel like the latter will yet again be exploited. Although it makes since as it is Craig's last Bond film.

    Maybe this is another mark in favor of QoS as it's the closest we got to that peak.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited January 2020 Posts: 5,970
    I've always loved this edit that fellow user @MadeleineSwann made...

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    I looked but didn't see a reference to it, so I thought I share that this thread isn't the only place that appreciates QoS. https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/gallery/best-daniel-craig-bond-films?fbclid=IwAR02ixl07mgpY31DQGRWx4LM31x8u_0mgMfhy6OZgyASfkiYgWYgjxPlJFQ
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    I looked but didn't see a reference to it, so I thought I share that this thread isn't the only place that appreciates QoS. https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/gallery/best-daniel-craig-bond-films?fbclid=IwAR02ixl07mgpY31DQGRWx4LM31x8u_0mgMfhy6OZgyASfkiYgWYgjxPlJFQ

    Ah well, there you go. I've been saying pretty much the same thing since 2008.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yes there are probably a few too many action sequences shoe horned into QOS. But the stuff in between is actually pretty good and has some of the best written, acted and directed dramatic moments in the Craig era. It's an imperfect film but I like it. Just has the energy and drive I expect and want from a Bond film. The other Craig films just feel a bit stodgy but comparisson. I realise the longer running times reflect the current trend but I think it will ultimately count against them as they don't have the same enjoyable rewatch value as the early, snappily paced Bond movies.

    Would like to see a new era of lean, stripped back plots, smaller casts and 1hr 45min running times.

    QOS really is the closest we've had in spirit to those first 2 or 3 Bond films for a long time.

    I agree with your points.

    There's also something very TB-feeling about how the initial Greene moments in Haiti are shot and scored...I just wish the film around them had been stronger. I think if they had done another draft or two, we would have been saying, "Wow!"
  • edited January 2020 Posts: 11,425
    It's a good little movie no doubt about it
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    I've only really recognised a truly Bondian moment in the Craig era and it was in that hotel lobby balcony scene after the elevator brawl. The score, Craig's movements, his comments to M, her reaction to it all. I loved the Craig era, but I wish they'd done more stuff like this.
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    What about the opera sequence? It felt quite old school Bond to me.

    And I like the fact it climaxes with an assault on an exploding baddy base. QoS is quite traditional in some respects.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,016
    Considering its length it has so many great little moments packed into it.

    I love that scene with Mathis on the plane especially.

    Top ten Bond for me.
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    Totally agree. That's the kind of efficient storytelling I expect from a Bond film.

    One of my main issues with Mendes is that at least 25% of his Bond films just feels like pointless padding. Waffly dialogue. Nice looking but overlong sequences that don't move the plot along.
  • Posts: 15,125
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.

    Absolutely, but I love the scaffolding fight, and also the plane sequence. I didn't like the boat chase initially, but its grown on me!

    Agreed! Love the camerawork done on the boat chase sequence. Also love the Slate fight.

    The aesthetic of Bond walking through the desert in a suit is also a big win IMO. One of those things that doesn't make any sense on it's own but it occurs naturally within the film. That this is also when he realizes that Greene's after the water rather than oil (as well as everything else in the film that's happened up to this point), it's a kind of symbolism of Bond wading through his own harsh realities.

    The boat sequence and Slate fight are the worst for me. Could be from any film. Nothing Bond about them.

    The boat chase is very poorly done, overall - but it is bookended by one of my favourite "low key" moments in the Craig era, which is everything from Bond moving off in the boat, looking down at Camille unconscious, then transitioning to the coastline and Bond handing Camille over on the dock. A really nice marriage of images and music, and the lack of a quip from Bond makes the scene unique, I feel.
    Very true, that is an amazingly well-shot sequence. The use of sound and music in this film is brilliant. The opera scene is another prime example of excellent use of sound and music.

    Love these two scenes as well.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited January 2020 Posts: 8,217
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I like QOS but the problem with it is narration and editing.
    Firstly they needed 10-15 minutes more for characters and story to build slowly.

    Secondly i love the energy and action choreography but fast jump cuts, disoriented techniques ruined it and action Scenes needed more room to breathe.

    That being said Casino Royale parkour chase is how action should be done and still remain best action Scene of Craig Era for me.

    Oh definitely. The parkour sequence is fantastic. One of the best action sequences in the series IMO.

    But I really love the Quantum PTS for sheer visceral energy.

    Absolutely, but I love the scaffolding fight, and also the plane sequence. I didn't like the boat chase initially, but its grown on me!

    Agreed! Love the camerawork done on the boat chase sequence. Also love the Slate fight.

    The aesthetic of Bond walking through the desert in a suit is also a big win IMO. One of those things that doesn't make any sense on it's own but it occurs naturally within the film. That this is also when he realizes that Greene's after the water rather than oil (as well as everything else in the film that's happened up to this point), it's a kind of symbolism of Bond wading through his own harsh realities.

    The boat sequence and Slate fight are the worst for me. Could be from any film. Nothing Bond about them.

    The boat chase is very poorly done, overall - but it is bookended by one of my favourite "low key" moments in the Craig era, which is everything from Bond moving off in the boat, looking down at Camille unconscious, then transitioning to the coastline and Bond handing Camille over on the dock. A really nice marriage of images and music, and the lack of a quip from Bond makes the scene unique, I feel.
    Very true, that is an amazingly well-shot sequence. The use of sound and music in this film is brilliant.

    it's one of my favorite moments in any Bond film,

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