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  • DoubleOhDaltonDoubleOhDalton
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    QOS there excuse was “he hasn’t fully become Bond yet” and “he earns Bond, James Bond and the theme in CR - he earns the gun barrel in QOS”.

    It works perfectly if done right. The Gun barrel in QOS is so rushed and large (around Bond) I hate it and SF (sans the walk) barrels so much.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,551
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    QOS there excuse was “he hasn’t fully become Bond yet” and “he earns Bond, James Bond and the theme in CR - he earns the gun barrel in QOS”.

    It works perfectly if done right. The Gun barrel in QOS is so rushed and large (around Bond) I hate it and SF (sans the walk) barrels so much.

    The gunbarrel was absolutely perfect in CR, and wouldn't change a thing. It always feels like they moved the gunbarrels in QoS and Skyfall because they were some sort of Bond "event" films (The Sequel to Casino Royale; The 50th Anniversary Bond) and I also detest the gunbarrels in these films (moreso QoS). Spectre to me was the first traditional Bond film in the Craig era, and the (great IMO) gunbarrel being at the beginning of it was a breath of fresh air. Of course it regretfully tried to hang on to / tie together all the previous films which was unnecessary and poorly done, but otherwise traditional in a good way.

    QoS I love, it has it's own unique tech-y style (the top menu, M's office with the wild computer table and computer screen, even the music), it has IMO Bond's best casual wear in the entire franchise (Port Au Prince, Mathis' villa, Perla de los Dunas), the Bregenz opera sequence is brilliant, I love the sequence between Bond and M when they discover Fields' body with the oil, the plot and how oil is the red herring and water is the actual valuable resource, just great.
  • DoubleOhDaltonDoubleOhDalton
    Posts: 65
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    QOS there excuse was “he hasn’t fully become Bond yet” and “he earns Bond, James Bond and the theme in CR - he earns the gun barrel in QOS”.

    It works perfectly if done right. The Gun barrel in QOS is so rushed and large (around Bond) I hate it and SF (sans the walk) barrels so much.

    The gunbarrel was absolutely perfect in CR, and wouldn't change a thing. It always feels like they moved the gunbarrels in QoS and Skyfall because they were some sort of Bond "event" films (The Sequel to Casino Royale; The 50th Anniversary Bond) and I also detest the gunbarrels in these films (moreso QoS). Spectre to me was the first traditional Bond film in the Craig era, and the (great IMO) gunbarrel being at the beginning of it was a breath of fresh air. Of course it regretfully tried to hang on to / tie together all the previous films which was unnecessary and poorly done, but otherwise traditional in a good way.

    QoS I love, it has it's own unique tech-y style (the top menu, M's office with the wild computer table and computer screen, even the music), it has IMO Bond's best casual wear in the entire franchise (Port Au Prince, Mathis' villa, Perla de los Dunas), the Bregenz opera sequence is brilliant, I love the sequence between Bond and M when they discover Fields' body with the oil, the plot and how oil is the red herring and water is the actual valuable resource, just great.

    Agreed. The only thing I dislike about SP barrel is the barrel itself. No texture. Looks fan made. However at least it’s bit like the crap we got in QOS and SF.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,551
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    QOS there excuse was “he hasn’t fully become Bond yet” and “he earns Bond, James Bond and the theme in CR - he earns the gun barrel in QOS”.

    It works perfectly if done right. The Gun barrel in QOS is so rushed and large (around Bond) I hate it and SF (sans the walk) barrels so much.

    The gunbarrel was absolutely perfect in CR, and wouldn't change a thing. It always feels like they moved the gunbarrels in QoS and Skyfall because they were some sort of Bond "event" films (The Sequel to Casino Royale; The 50th Anniversary Bond) and I also detest the gunbarrels in these films (moreso QoS). Spectre to me was the first traditional Bond film in the Craig era, and the (great IMO) gunbarrel being at the beginning of it was a breath of fresh air. Of course it regretfully tried to hang on to / tie together all the previous films which was unnecessary and poorly done, but otherwise traditional in a good way.

    QoS I love, it has it's own unique tech-y style (the top menu, M's office with the wild computer table and computer screen, even the music), it has IMO Bond's best casual wear in the entire franchise (Port Au Prince, Mathis' villa, Perla de los Dunas), the Bregenz opera sequence is brilliant, I love the sequence between Bond and M when they discover Fields' body with the oil, the plot and how oil is the red herring and water is the actual valuable resource, just great.

    Agreed. The only thing I dislike about SP barrel is the barrel itself. No texture. Looks fan made. However at least it’s bit like the crap we got in QOS and SF.

    Really? Personally I didn't notice a lack of texture, thought it harkened back to gunbarrels of old quite well. I'd say the QOS / SF gunbarrels lacked texture for sure.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I like the QOS gun barrel. Texture is no-nonsense, matching the film; walk is fast, matching the film. And then, enveloped by globe lines like in the title sequence.

    (Quite a few globes in this film: title sequence, Univex logo, Greene Planet logo, Amex logo on Bond's credit card)
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    I also dislike each of the Craig gunbarrels. They just feel thrown together rather than contributing to a tradition fans and filmgoers look forward to in a modern and worthy way. Craig in particular seems to have a sense of let's just get it out of the way. He walks awkwardly or the pose is just plain uninspiring. DoubleOhDalton hits it on the head with the fan-made comment.

    The last great gunbarrel for me was Dalton (no, not the bootleg jumping version).
  • DoubleOhDaltonDoubleOhDalton
    Posts: 65
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I also dislike each of the Craig gunbarrels. They just feel thrown together rather than contributing to a tradition fans and filmgoers look forward to in a modern and worthy way. Craig in particular seems to have a sense of let's just get it out of the way. He walks awkwardly or the pose is just plain uninspiring. DoubleOhDalton hits it on the head with the fan-made comment.

    The last great gunbarrel for me was Dalton (no, not the bootleg jumping version).

    So not a fan of the Brosnan Barrel design?
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I also dislike each of the Craig gunbarrels. They just feel thrown together rather than contributing to a tradition fans and filmgoers look forward to in a modern and worthy way. Craig in particular seems to have a sense of let's just get it out of the way. He walks awkwardly or the pose is just plain uninspiring. DoubleOhDalton hits it on the head with the fan-made comment.

    The last great gunbarrel for me was Dalton (no, not the bootleg jumping version).

    So not a fan of the Brosnan Barrel design?
    Nope. Started off GE on a poor note with the too stiff pose that makes one hope he's aiming at someone's head or the size of Jaws for a body shot with as high as the gun is leveled.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    BT3366 wrote: »
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I also dislike each of the Craig gunbarrels. They just feel thrown together rather than contributing to a tradition fans and filmgoers look forward to in a modern and worthy way. Craig in particular seems to have a sense of let's just get it out of the way. He walks awkwardly or the pose is just plain uninspiring. DoubleOhDalton hits it on the head with the fan-made comment.

    The last great gunbarrel for me was Dalton (no, not the bootleg jumping version).

    So not a fan of the Brosnan Barrel design?
    Nope. Started off GE on a poor note with the too stiff pose that makes one hope he's aiming at someone's head or the size of Jaws for a body shot with as high as the gun is leveled.

    Or someone far away, possibly? People call it stiff, but it's the best stance for me by a mile as it is actually the stance of someone firing a gun, rather than someone just pretending to. I still like the others but Brosnan's (and Craig's gunbarrel in CR) are the best examples of what a marksman's stance actually should be. Solid, square, and in control.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited January 2021 Posts: 7,551
    I love Brosnan's gunbarrels (except DAD). GE's gunbarrel with the music is sublime.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,247
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I also dislike each of the Craig gunbarrels. They just feel thrown together rather than contributing to a tradition fans and filmgoers look forward to in a modern and worthy way. Craig in particular seems to have a sense of let's just get it out of the way. He walks awkwardly or the pose is just plain uninspiring. DoubleOhDalton hits it on the head with the fan-made comment.

    The last great gunbarrel for me was Dalton (no, not the bootleg jumping version).

    So not a fan of the Brosnan Barrel design?
    Nope. Started off GE on a poor note with the too stiff pose that makes one hope he's aiming at someone's head or the size of Jaws for a body shot with as high as the gun is leveled.

    Or someone far away, possibly? People call it stiff, but it's the best stance for me by a mile as it is actually the stance of someone firing a gun, rather than someone just pretending to. I still like the others but Brosnan's (and Craig's gunbarrel in CR) are the best examples of what a marksman's stance actually should be. Solid, square, and in control.

    Agreed!!!
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Brosnan had one of the best gunbarrel of the series.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217

    Resurrection wrote: »
    Brosnan had one of the best gunbarrel of the series.

    I agree 100%, he moves with such smooth confidence.
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I also dislike each of the Craig gunbarrels. They just feel thrown together rather than contributing to a tradition fans and filmgoers look forward to in a modern and worthy way. Craig in particular seems to have a sense of let's just get it out of the way. He walks awkwardly or the pose is just plain uninspiring. DoubleOhDalton hits it on the head with the fan-made comment.

    The last great gunbarrel for me was Dalton (no, not the bootleg jumping version).

    So not a fan of the Brosnan Barrel design?
    Nope. Started off GE on a poor note with the too stiff pose that makes one hope he's aiming at someone's head or the size of Jaws for a body shot with as high as the gun is leveled.

    Or someone far away, possibly? People call it stiff, but it's the best stance for me by a mile as it is actually the stance of someone firing a gun, rather than someone just pretending to. I still like the others but Brosnan's (and Craig's gunbarrel in CR) are the best examples of what a marksman's stance actually should be. Solid, square, and in control.

    I don't watch James Bond movies for a realistic marksman's stance, especially since these are actors portraying a fictional character pretending to fire a gun. I prefer style over substance in this case. If I wanted reality, I'd got to a gun range to see that.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    BT3366 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I also dislike each of the Craig gunbarrels. They just feel thrown together rather than contributing to a tradition fans and filmgoers look forward to in a modern and worthy way. Craig in particular seems to have a sense of let's just get it out of the way. He walks awkwardly or the pose is just plain uninspiring. DoubleOhDalton hits it on the head with the fan-made comment.

    The last great gunbarrel for me was Dalton (no, not the bootleg jumping version).

    So not a fan of the Brosnan Barrel design?
    Nope. Started off GE on a poor note with the too stiff pose that makes one hope he's aiming at someone's head or the size of Jaws for a body shot with as high as the gun is leveled.

    Or someone far away, possibly? People call it stiff, but it's the best stance for me by a mile as it is actually the stance of someone firing a gun, rather than someone just pretending to. I still like the others but Brosnan's (and Craig's gunbarrel in CR) are the best examples of what a marksman's stance actually should be. Solid, square, and in control.

    I don't watch James Bond movies for a realistic marksman's stance, especially since these are actors portraying a fictional character pretending to fire a gun. I prefer style over substance in this case. If I wanted reality, I'd got to a gun range to see that.

    Well, that's fine - but your criticism of the stance is based on it not looking like it would be an accurate shot considering how high the gun was levelled. It may be a fictional character, but it's a character that is supposed to be an expert marksman. For me, it certainly adds to it when they look like they're doing it the way it should be done, while still looking confident and stylish to fit the nature of what a gunbarrel is. I think it meets that criteria across the board. Different strokes, I guess. :)
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    DoubleOhDalton wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I also dislike each of the Craig gunbarrels. They just feel thrown together rather than contributing to a tradition fans and filmgoers look forward to in a modern and worthy way. Craig in particular seems to have a sense of let's just get it out of the way. He walks awkwardly or the pose is just plain uninspiring. DoubleOhDalton hits it on the head with the fan-made comment.

    The last great gunbarrel for me was Dalton (no, not the bootleg jumping version).

    So not a fan of the Brosnan Barrel design?
    Nope. Started off GE on a poor note with the too stiff pose that makes one hope he's aiming at someone's head or the size of Jaws for a body shot with as high as the gun is leveled.

    Or someone far away, possibly? People call it stiff, but it's the best stance for me by a mile as it is actually the stance of someone firing a gun, rather than someone just pretending to. I still like the others but Brosnan's (and Craig's gunbarrel in CR) are the best examples of what a marksman's stance actually should be. Solid, square, and in control.

    I don't watch James Bond movies for a realistic marksman's stance, especially since these are actors portraying a fictional character pretending to fire a gun. I prefer style over substance in this case. If I wanted reality, I'd got to a gun range to see that.

    Well, that's fine - but your criticism of the stance is based on it not looking like it would be an accurate shot considering how high the gun was levelled. It may be a fictional character, but it's a character that is supposed to be an expert marksman. For me, it certainly adds to it when they look like they're doing it the way it should be done, while still looking confident and stylish to fit the nature of what a gunbarrel is. I think it meets that criteria across the board. Different strokes, I guess. :)

    I agree, and Brosnan nails this criteria
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    I am eagerly seizing the golden opportunity to use Quantum of Solace as the base for my final college paper, which is supposed to focus on ecocriticism! I always thought about QOS's environmental themes, and I'm hopeful there are good avenues to explore with it that will land me with a good paper and by extension a good grade! Wish me luck!
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I am eagerly seizing the golden opportunity to use Quantum of Solace as the base for my final college paper, which is supposed to focus on ecocriticism! I always thought about QOS's environmental themes, and I'm hopeful there are good avenues to explore with it that will land me with a good paper and by extension a good grade! Wish me luck!

    Good luck, @FoxRox! I'm sure you'll ace it, as it's a fine choice of a projective cultural item to analyse that particular topic. Go for it!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I am eagerly seizing the golden opportunity to use Quantum of Solace as the base for my final college paper, which is supposed to focus on ecocriticism! I always thought about QOS's environmental themes, and I'm hopeful there are good avenues to explore with it that will land me with a good paper and by extension a good grade! Wish me luck!

    Best of luck! I'm sure that'll be an interesting read.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    @Univex @Creasy47 Thank you! My professor is being very encouraging about it, and I feel like it combines two of my passions pretty solidly. Greene is the perfect target to pick on regarding human-environmental relations. If anyone’s interested I can post the final paper when I finish later this year!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Univex @Creasy47 Thank you! My professor is being very encouraging about it, and I feel like it combines two of my passions pretty solidly. Greene is the perfect target to pick on regarding human-environmental relations. If anyone’s interested I can post the final paper when I finish later this year!

    Please do! I'd love to read it.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @Univex @Creasy47 Thank you! My professor is being very encouraging about it, and I feel like it combines two of my passions pretty solidly. Greene is the perfect target to pick on regarding human-environmental relations. If anyone’s interested I can post the final paper when I finish later this year!

    Please do! I'd love to read it.

    Me too.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    Awesome - I can either PM or set up a thread when the time comes. What I’m doing first is assigning the second half of the film to the class for discussion. Hopefully I’ll get some good insight I haven’t thought of before too!
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
    Posts: 728
    If Quantum had a better villain and henchman it would be sensational. As it is I watch it simply because my favourite Bond is in it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    I get that eco-terrorism and hoarding water isn’t the sexiest villain plot in the series but it’s grounded and topical and refreshing enough. I’ve never had a problem with it, doesn’t make Greene any less scary or threatening to me because of it.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
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  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,033
    “Actually, Quantum of Solace Might Be the Best Daniel Craig James Bond Movie”

    https://www.gq.com/story/james-bond-quantum-of-solace-is-actually-good?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    Posts: 1,731
    QoS is very rewatchable - tight runtime, Craig on his A-game despite an average script, gorgeous score, and arguably DC's finest 007 sequence - The Bregenz Opera 'reveal' is such a fluid and Bondian sequence, one that harks back to classic Bond films and really lifts the middle of the film.

    I prefer it to SF actually...

    Where SF poses, QoS knuckles you in the gonads
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    For myself CR and QOS are one Craig era and the other Craig's are another.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,152
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    For myself CR and QOS are one Craig era and the other Craig's are another.
    100%. They definitely backtracked and gave up a lot of what they'd created in 2006-08. Big, big shame.

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