Quantum of Solace Appreciation Thread- We Found a Better Place to Meet

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I just gotta be real with you guys. I've tried to defend this movie for years. I've really tried to like it. And I do like aspects of it for sure. But honestly...

    I always look back on this movie fondly in hindsight. And I always get excited to revisit it before watching it. But whenever I'm in the movie itself; the editing always feels bad to me.

    I'm convinced that QoS fans work harder to understand, like and justify the movie than fans of literally any other obscure/overlooked Bond movie.

    I really don't get this feeling at all. We're Bond fans, man, we like what we like. There's no mental gymnastics to it, really. If there's any science to it at all, people are overly attached to nostalgia and that guides their taste and preferences, but even still nostalgia is perfectly fine to be susceptible to because what you liked at one time you have a good chance of liking much later. We love what we love, and our hearts don't tend to lie to us about our entertainment.

    From my standpoint, there is nothing to work to understand or justify about QoS. I like it because-shock and awe-I like it. And it wasn't always that way, either. I used to hate it, and wrote it off because I watched it after seeing and falling in love with CR, and it just paled in comparison because all I could feel was my own disappointed for it not being what I wanted it to be. It took a while and further rewatches for me to truly accept it for its own film, on its own merits, and through that and a lot of personal growth I was able to find so much to appreciate and respect about it.

    To this day I'm still startled by how misunderstood it is. People seem to think it's Bond's revenge film, when that couldn't be further from the truth. If anything, Bond is one of the sole people in the film that is purely motivated by his duty, as he states to M in the hotel near the end. Quantum is in deep with Medrano, and creating all kinds of havoc worldwide, including the water crisis, the Americans are happy to look the other way as long as there is something in it for them, and Bond's own people have turned on him with suspicion because they doubt any man who'd gone through what he did could truly be acting with impartiality. And yet, he was. It's only until after his mission is over and the job is done that he uses what's left of Greene's utility to find out where Yusef, the man that manipulated Vesper, was holed up at, and instead of going there and killing the bastard like the CR Bond would've done, he instead hands him over to the authorities so that he can be used to find out more about Quantum's operations worldwide.

    Part of what I love about QoS is that Bond truly changes, and becomes a better man throughout, a shadow of who he was in CR. Even when people think he's out of it and lost his touch, he proves them wrong because his loyalty to his duty is first and foremost. We also get to see him go through the entire grieving process from Denial to Acceptance, played masterfully by Dan. Bond is at first aggressively in denial about ever caring about Vesper, all while stealing a picture from M's file of her and lying to Mathis on the plane that he doesn't know what the drinks he's chugging are called. He's still too hurt to see sense, or to imagine that Vesper was looking out for him. It's only at the end, when the dust has settled and his nerves have softened, that Bond is able to step back and understand what she did for him, and through his acceptance he is truly able to move on. Through Camille's revenge plot, and how little she changes for the better even after Medrano is killed, Bond sees just how hollow revenge is. All you do is soil your hands with more blood and torch your soul along with your life, and no matter what you do, nothing can bring your loved one back.

    So in short, when I talk lovingly about QoS, it's not out of denial, or a need to justify my like, it's just evidence that for me and many others (look at how this thread has grown, for instance), elements like the above are intriguing and powerful additions to the movie that make it well worth experiencing. The action and the editing are such a small portion of the overall film, where the narrative and character interactions shine brightest. It is there that QoS has earned its underrated status, in my humble opinion.

    Cheers to you friend! Another exceptional critique. I’m curious, where do you rate QOS on your all-time Bond list? Agree that Bond definitely evolved emotionally and professionally during QOS. Like he tells Q in Skyfall, “you have to know when to pull a trigger, and when not to.” He learns that lesson in Qos. In Casino, Greene would have died very badly in the fire at the hotel. But Bond knew he had information that was pivotal for uncovering more about Quantum. I would have loved to see Mr. White face off in a cat and mouse game for one entire movie. We never got to see that. Possibly the two best assassins in the spy game fighting for supremacy. What a story that could have been. I love that analogy about Bond and White with the IV. The Interactions between Bond and White were electric. The best scene in Spectre for me was White and Bond. “You’re like a kite dancing in a hurricane, Mr. Bond.”

    @sworddevil1, I haven't done rankings in forever, but I'd definitely put QoS very, very high. My top films are going to be some mix of the Terence Young Connery films, and Craig's, as those are my stand out favorites overall, CR still being my #1. There is just a magic to Craig's portrayal that has and will always get me.


    As for the Bond and White stuff in SP, it's definitely brilliant. One of the many standout scenes I love from that movie. There's a lot of dark comedy to it, too, as White seems to think some random killer has come for him, only for him to act surprised when he not only doesn't get immediately clapped in the back of the head, but also because he's reuniting with an old enemy who will soon turn friend. It really is crazy, that Bond goes on to not just help out the man that helped to lead Vesper to her end, but furthermore that Bond goes on to fall in love with White's daughter. Such drama.

    I honestly enjoy the hotel scene in Morocco just as much. No dialogue is said, but as White's secret room is uncovered you can see Madeleine's internal pain realizing the man she both loved and hated is now gone, and there's nothing she can do to repair that, while Bond has just gotten to see the humanity of White in his last moments but is further reminded of how bad of a man he could be while finding Vesper's interrogation tape. I just adore that scene, and how it underscores the dark and light in White, of his family man side and his assassin side, of the good and the bad in all of us each fighting for supremacy. Even in death, he has a long impact on the characters he leaves behind.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,551
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I just gotta be real with you guys. I've tried to defend this movie for years. I've really tried to like it. And I do like aspects of it for sure. But honestly...

    I always look back on this movie fondly in hindsight. And I always get excited to revisit it before watching it. But whenever I'm in the movie itself; the editing always feels bad to me.

    I'm convinced that QoS fans work harder to understand, like and justify the movie than fans of literally any other obscure/overlooked Bond movie.

    I really don't get this feeling at all. We're Bond fans, man, we like what we like. There's no mental gymnastics to it, really. If there's any science to it at all, people are overly attached to nostalgia and that guides their taste and preferences, but even still nostalgia is perfectly fine to be susceptible to because what you liked at one time you have a good chance of liking much later. We love what we love, and our hearts don't tend to lie to us about our entertainment.

    From my standpoint, there is nothing to work to understand or justify about QoS. I like it because-shock and awe-I like it. And it wasn't always that way, either. I used to hate it, and wrote it off because I watched it after seeing and falling in love with CR, and it just paled in comparison because all I could feel was my own disappointed for it not being what I wanted it to be. It took a while and further rewatches for me to truly accept it for its own film, on its own merits, and through that and a lot of personal growth I was able to find so much to appreciate and respect about it.

    To this day I'm still startled by how misunderstood it is. People seem to think it's Bond's revenge film, when that couldn't be further from the truth. If anything, Bond is one of the sole people in the film that is purely motivated by his duty, as he states to M in the hotel near the end. Quantum is in deep with Medrano, and creating all kinds of havoc worldwide, including the water crisis, the Americans are happy to look the other way as long as there is something in it for them, and Bond's own people have turned on him with suspicion because they doubt any man who'd gone through what he did could truly be acting with impartiality. And yet, he was. It's only until after his mission is over and the job is done that he uses what's left of Greene's utility to find out where Yusef, the man that manipulated Vesper, was holed up at, and instead of going there and killing the bastard like the CR Bond would've done, he instead hands him over to the authorities so that he can be used to find out more about Quantum's operations worldwide.

    Part of what I love about QoS is that Bond truly changes, and becomes a better man throughout, a shadow of who he was in CR. Even when people think he's out of it and lost his touch, he proves them wrong because his loyalty to his duty is first and foremost. We also get to see him go through the entire grieving process from Denial to Acceptance, played masterfully by Dan. Bond is at first aggressively in denial about ever caring about Vesper, all while stealing a picture from M's file of her and lying to Mathis on the plane that he doesn't know what the drinks he's chugging are called. He's still too hurt to see sense, or to imagine that Vesper was looking out for him. It's only at the end, when the dust has settled and his nerves have softened, that Bond is able to step back and understand what she did for him, and through his acceptance he is truly able to move on. Through Camille's revenge plot, and how little she changes for the better even after Medrano is killed, Bond sees just how hollow revenge is. All you do is soil your hands with more blood and torch your soul along with your life, and no matter what you do, nothing can bring your loved one back.

    So in short, when I talk lovingly about QoS, it's not out of denial, or a need to justify my like, it's just evidence that for me and many others (look at how this thread has grown, for instance), elements like the above are intriguing and powerful additions to the movie that make it well worth experiencing. The action and the editing are such a small portion of the overall film, where the narrative and character interactions shine brightest. It is there that QoS has earned its underrated status, in my humble opinion.

    Cheers to you friend! Another exceptional critique. I’m curious, where do you rate QOS on your all-time Bond list? Agree that Bond definitely evolved emotionally and professionally during QOS. Like he tells Q in Skyfall, “you have to know when to pull a trigger, and when not to.” He learns that lesson in Qos. In Casino, Greene would have died very badly in the fire at the hotel. But Bond knew he had information that was pivotal for uncovering more about Quantum. I would have loved to see Mr. White face off in a cat and mouse game for one entire movie. We never got to see that. Possibly the two best assassins in the spy game fighting for supremacy. What a story that could have been. I love that analogy about Bond and White with the IV. The Interactions between Bond and White were electric. The best scene in Spectre for me was White and Bond. “You’re like a kite dancing in a hurricane, Mr. Bond.”

    That was a brilliant scene in Spectre, one of my favourites. I think you'll note too if you look at the chessboard that the White King is in checkmate.
  • Posts: 526
    Minion wrote: »
    @sworddevil1 as long as you aren’t like @slide_99, whom I suspect we’ve seen the last of.

    How do you mean @Minion? Like in what way? Also, what happened to slide99?
  • Posts: 526
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I just gotta be real with you guys. I've tried to defend this movie for years. I've really tried to like it. And I do like aspects of it for sure. But honestly...

    I always look back on this movie fondly in hindsight. And I always get excited to revisit it before watching it. But whenever I'm in the movie itself; the editing always feels bad to me.

    I'm convinced that QoS fans work harder to understand, like and justify the movie than fans of literally any other obscure/overlooked Bond movie.

    I really don't get this feeling at all. We're Bond fans, man, we like what we like. There's no mental gymnastics to it, really. If there's any science to it at all, people are overly attached to nostalgia and that guides their taste and preferences, but even still nostalgia is perfectly fine to be susceptible to because what you liked at one time you have a good chance of liking much later. We love what we love, and our hearts don't tend to lie to us about our entertainment.

    From my standpoint, there is nothing to work to understand or justify about QoS. I like it because-shock and awe-I like it. And it wasn't always that way, either. I used to hate it, and wrote it off because I watched it after seeing and falling in love with CR, and it just paled in comparison because all I could feel was my own disappointed for it not being what I wanted it to be. It took a while and further rewatches for me to truly accept it for its own film, on its own merits, and through that and a lot of personal growth I was able to find so much to appreciate and respect about it.

    To this day I'm still startled by how misunderstood it is. People seem to think it's Bond's revenge film, when that couldn't be further from the truth. If anything, Bond is one of the sole people in the film that is purely motivated by his duty, as he states to M in the hotel near the end. Quantum is in deep with Medrano, and creating all kinds of havoc worldwide, including the water crisis, the Americans are happy to look the other way as long as there is something in it for them, and Bond's own people have turned on him with suspicion because they doubt any man who'd gone through what he did could truly be acting with impartiality. And yet, he was. It's only until after his mission is over and the job is done that he uses what's left of Greene's utility to find out where Yusef, the man that manipulated Vesper, was holed up at, and instead of going there and killing the bastard like the CR Bond would've done, he instead hands him over to the authorities so that he can be used to find out more about Quantum's operations worldwide.

    Part of what I love about QoS is that Bond truly changes, and becomes a better man throughout, a shadow of who he was in CR. Even when people think he's out of it and lost his touch, he proves them wrong because his loyalty to his duty is first and foremost. We also get to see him go through the entire grieving process from Denial to Acceptance, played masterfully by Dan. Bond is at first aggressively in denial about ever caring about Vesper, all while stealing a picture from M's file of her and lying to Mathis on the plane that he doesn't know what the drinks he's chugging are called. He's still too hurt to see sense, or to imagine that Vesper was looking out for him. It's only at the end, when the dust has settled and his nerves have softened, that Bond is able to step back and understand what she did for him, and through his acceptance he is truly able to move on. Through Camille's revenge plot, and how little she changes for the better even after Medrano is killed, Bond sees just how hollow revenge is. All you do is soil your hands with more blood and torch your soul along with your life, and no matter what you do, nothing can bring your loved one back.

    So in short, when I talk lovingly about QoS, it's not out of denial, or a need to justify my like, it's just evidence that for me and many others (look at how this thread has grown, for instance), elements like the above are intriguing and powerful additions to the movie that make it well worth experiencing. The action and the editing are such a small portion of the overall film, where the narrative and character interactions shine brightest. It is there that QoS has earned its underrated status, in my humble opinion.

    Cheers to you friend! Another exceptional critique. I’m curious, where do you rate QOS on your all-time Bond list? Agree that Bond definitely evolved emotionally and professionally during QOS. Like he tells Q in Skyfall, “you have to know when to pull a trigger, and when not to.” He learns that lesson in Qos. In Casino, Greene would have died very badly in the fire at the hotel. But Bond knew he had information that was pivotal for uncovering more about Quantum. I would have loved to see Mr. White face off in a cat and mouse game for one entire movie. We never got to see that. Possibly the two best assassins in the spy game fighting for supremacy. What a story that could have been. I love that analogy about Bond and White with the IV. The Interactions between Bond and White were electric. The best scene in Spectre for me was White and Bond. “You’re like a kite dancing in a hurricane, Mr. Bond.”

    @sworddevil1, I haven't done rankings in forever, but I'd definitely put QoS very, very high. My top films are going to be some mix of the Terence Young Connery films, and Craig's, as those are my stand out favorites overall, CR still being my #1. There is just a magic to Craig's portrayal that has and will always get me.


    As for the Bond and White stuff in SP, it's definitely brilliant. One of the many standout scenes I love from that movie. There's a lot of dark comedy to it, too, as White seems to think some random killer has come for him, only for him to act surprised when he not only doesn't get immediately clapped in the back of the head, but also because he's reuniting with an old enemy who will soon turn friend. It really is crazy, that Bond goes on to not just help out the man that helped to lead Vesper to her end, but furthermore that Bond goes on to fall in love with White's daughter. Such drama.

    I honestly enjoy the hotel scene in Morocco just as much. No dialogue is said, but as White's secret room is uncovered you can see Madeleine's internal pain realizing the man she both loved and hated is now gone, and there's nothing she can do to repair that, while Bond has just gotten to see the humanity of White in his last moments but is further reminded of how bad of a man he could be while finding Vesper's interrogation tape. I just adore that scene, and how it underscores the dark and light in White, of his family man side and his assassin side, of the good and the bad in all of us each fighting for supremacy. Even in death, he has a long impact on the characters he leaves behind.

    Indeed all great stuff. I think you and I see a lot very similarity. Casino R, as you said is pure magic with Dan. I’ve seen the movie 246 times. Yes, I counted. I could not have written out a Bond movie that was any better for me. Also, a lot of irony as you said between Bond and White. What if White could have been saved and they teamed up to take on Spectre In Spectre? Or if White said he had so much time left and he was going to help Bond. I think that would have added so much to the film.
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I just gotta be real with you guys. I've tried to defend this movie for years. I've really tried to like it. And I do like aspects of it for sure. But honestly...

    I always look back on this movie fondly in hindsight. And I always get excited to revisit it before watching it. But whenever I'm in the movie itself; the editing always feels bad to me.

    I'm convinced that QoS fans work harder to understand, like and justify the movie than fans of literally any other obscure/overlooked Bond movie.

    I really don't get this feeling at all. We're Bond fans, man, we like what we like. There's no mental gymnastics to it, really. If there's any science to it at all, people are overly attached to nostalgia and that guides their taste and preferences, but even still nostalgia is perfectly fine to be susceptible to because what you liked at one time you have a good chance of liking much later. We love what we love, and our hearts don't tend to lie to us about our entertainment.

    From my standpoint, there is nothing to work to understand or justify about QoS. I like it because-shock and awe-I like it. And it wasn't always that way, either. I used to hate it, and wrote it off because I watched it after seeing and falling in love with CR, and it just paled in comparison because all I could feel was my own disappointed for it not being what I wanted it to be. It took a while and further rewatches for me to truly accept it for its own film, on its own merits, and through that and a lot of personal growth I was able to find so much to appreciate and respect about it.

    To this day I'm still startled by how misunderstood it is. People seem to think it's Bond's revenge film, when that couldn't be further from the truth. If anything, Bond is one of the sole people in the film that is purely motivated by his duty, as he states to M in the hotel near the end. Quantum is in deep with Medrano, and creating all kinds of havoc worldwide, including the water crisis, the Americans are happy to look the other way as long as there is something in it for them, and Bond's own people have turned on him with suspicion because they doubt any man who'd gone through what he did could truly be acting with impartiality. And yet, he was. It's only until after his mission is over and the job is done that he uses what's left of Greene's utility to find out where Yusef, the man that manipulated Vesper, was holed up at, and instead of going there and killing the bastard like the CR Bond would've done, he instead hands him over to the authorities so that he can be used to find out more about Quantum's operations worldwide.

    Part of what I love about QoS is that Bond truly changes, and becomes a better man throughout, a shadow of who he was in CR. Even when people think he's out of it and lost his touch, he proves them wrong because his loyalty to his duty is first and foremost. We also get to see him go through the entire grieving process from Denial to Acceptance, played masterfully by Dan. Bond is at first aggressively in denial about ever caring about Vesper, all while stealing a picture from M's file of her and lying to Mathis on the plane that he doesn't know what the drinks he's chugging are called. He's still too hurt to see sense, or to imagine that Vesper was looking out for him. It's only at the end, when the dust has settled and his nerves have softened, that Bond is able to step back and understand what she did for him, and through his acceptance he is truly able to move on. Through Camille's revenge plot, and how little she changes for the better even after Medrano is killed, Bond sees just how hollow revenge is. All you do is soil your hands with more blood and torch your soul along with your life, and no matter what you do, nothing can bring your loved one back.

    So in short, when I talk lovingly about QoS, it's not out of denial, or a need to justify my like, it's just evidence that for me and many others (look at how this thread has grown, for instance), elements like the above are intriguing and powerful additions to the movie that make it well worth experiencing. The action and the editing are such a small portion of the overall film, where the narrative and character interactions shine brightest. It is there that QoS has earned its underrated status, in my humble opinion.

    Cheers to you friend! Another exceptional critique. I’m curious, where do you rate QOS on your all-time Bond list? Agree that Bond definitely evolved emotionally and professionally during QOS. Like he tells Q in Skyfall, “you have to know when to pull a trigger, and when not to.” He learns that lesson in Qos. In Casino, Greene would have died very badly in the fire at the hotel. But Bond knew he had information that was pivotal for uncovering more about Quantum. I would have loved to see Mr. White face off in a cat and mouse game for one entire movie. We never got to see that. Possibly the two best assassins in the spy game fighting for supremacy. What a story that could have been. I love that analogy about Bond and White with the IV. The Interactions between Bond and White were electric. The best scene in Spectre for me was White and Bond. “You’re like a kite dancing in a hurricane, Mr. Bond.”

    That was a brilliant scene in Spectre, one of my favourites. I think you'll note too if you look at the chessboard that the White King is in checkmate.

    That is very cool! I will check that out soon. I have been wanting to watch Spectre again lately.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    Minion wrote: »
    @sworddevil1 as long as you aren’t like @slide_99, whom I suspect we’ve seen the last of.

    How do you mean @Minion? Like in what way? Also, what happened to slide99?

    slide99 admitted he’d never actually seen NTTD despite his many criticisms of it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited November 2021 Posts: 28,694
    Indeed all great stuff. I think you and I see a lot very similarity. Casino R, as you said is pure magic with Dan. I’ve seen the movie 246 times. Yes, I counted. I could not have written out a Bond movie that was any better for me. Also, a lot of irony as you said between Bond and White. What if White could have been saved and they teamed up to take on Spectre In Spectre? Or if White said he had so much time left and he was going to help Bond. I think that would have added so much to the film.

    A Bond and White team up would've been interesting, sure, but I'm fine with what we got. I was just thrilled to see White again, honestly, and in such a great moment. I had been wanting to see them reunite for years, so when we got it I was so very giddy.

    I remember staying up all night to wait for the SP trailer to hit online, and when I heard the line about Bond being a "kite dancing in a hurricane" I knew immediately who it was and when I saw his actual face I think I yelped out of joy loud enough to wake my whole house up. Such a great memory.
    Minion wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    @sworddevil1 as long as you aren’t like @slide_99, whom I suspect we’ve seen the last of.

    How do you mean @Minion? Like in what way? Also, what happened to slide99?

    slide99 admitted he’d never actually seen NTTD despite his many criticisms of it.

    Seems pretty par for the course on the internet these days. Knowing what you're talking about is for squares.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,152
    The White King's in checkmate? Outstanding - I'd never noticed. Can't blame choppy editing for that miss! I think SP's on tv tonight, I'll watch out for it.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    Posts: 693
    Minion wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    @sworddevil1 as long as you aren’t like @slide_99, whom I suspect we’ve seen the last of.

    How do you mean @Minion? Like in what way? Also, what happened to slide99?

    slide99 admitted he’d never actually seen NTTD despite his many criticisms of it.

    Yeah except I made that clear in my first post. You can stop pretending, now.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2021 Posts: 7,551
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    @sworddevil1 as long as you aren’t like @slide_99, whom I suspect we’ve seen the last of.

    How do you mean @Minion? Like in what way? Also, what happened to slide99?

    slide99 admitted he’d never actually seen NTTD despite his many criticisms of it.

    Yeah except I made that clear in my first post. You can stop pretending, now.

    What's reasonable: Not seeing the film, reading the plot synopsis on Wikipedia, and making one or two comments along the lines of "I haven't seen the film, but I've read the plot synopsis and I have real problems with what they're doing. As a result I have no interest in seeing the film."

    What isn't reasonable: Not seeing the film, reading the plot synopsis on Wikipedia, making one post that says you haven't seen the film nor have any intentions to do so, and then making dozens of long-winded posts about why the movie is terrible and how the franchise is ruined.

    And, you continue to remind everyone that in your first post you said you weren't going to see the film, as if everyone who engages with you is going to go out of their way to find your first post for some reason.

    As I've said before, of course you're free to engage with the community however you like within the guidelines, but how anyone can view your opinions on NTTD as anything but worthless stumps me.
  • edited November 2021 Posts: 526
    @slide_99, I truly understand how and why you don’t like the concept of NTTD. My advice would be to move on from it, I have. Dwelling on it only makes it worse. But, I’m glad I did see it-had to see the conclusion. I froze the pic of the chessboard. The White King is in checkmate. I never watch the trailers, but when I heard them first speak about White in Spectre, I was beyond excited. It did play out well inSpectre (Bond/White). Their relationship ultimately leads to the last two movies stOryline. Mr. White redefined living off the grid in Spectre!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2021 Posts: 7,551
    I froze the pic of the chessboard. The White King is in checkmate. I never watch the trailers, but when I heard them first speak about White in Spectre, I was beyond excited. It did play out well inSpectre (Bond/White). Their relationship ultimately leads to the last two movies stOryline. Mr. White redefined living off the grid in Spectre!

    Agree with everything here, and always appreciate some Spectre love! It is a great scene, "Two dead men, enjoying the evening!", "It wasn't MI6, it was Rome. Your team, not mine." Love it.

    The only issue with it is the same shoehorning they did with the rest of the film that didn't work. "Our game was our game, but women? Children?" He didn't seem too broken up about things when Vesper died in Venice. A bit of a contrivance there to pit White and Blofeld against eachother.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,007
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    @sworddevil1 as long as you aren’t like @slide_99, whom I suspect we’ve seen the last of.

    How do you mean @Minion? Like in what way? Also, what happened to slide99?

    slide99 admitted he’d never actually seen NTTD despite his many criticisms of it.

    Yeah except I made that clear in my first post. You can stop pretending, now.

    You may as well take the plunge and watch it, mate.

    The film exists and there's nothing you can do about it. It's like not opening an unwanted bill. It's there whether you like it or not.

    You already know what happens so you may as well enjoy it for the performances and action, which are very good
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,551
    Looks like in the states it'll be available for rent this Tuesday, November 9th. If you're not in the states (as I am not), a VPN is easy to get.
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    Understand. That was an intense scene. I wonder how long Mitchell had been with Quantum? Also, I always did wonder as to why he didn’t kill M? Bond told M she was lucky to be alive. I love the atmosphere of the scene at Mitchell’s apartment and the score there.

    From the way the scene is edited,it SEEMS that Mitchell takes a shot at M and actually hits her.However,a few seconds later before Bond chases after Mitchell we get a brief shot of M ( or her double ) running out of the room unharmed.It’s hard to tell what the filmmakers were trying to convey here as the editing is completely incompetent.

  • I felt as if this would be the appropriate thread to place this, but I’m sure as many others have noticed, Quantum of Solace seems to be getting quite the critical reappraisal these days, and over the last few days (in the little time I have off from work), I’ve found myself watching video essays defending QOS, all of which I have seen have greatly impressed me, and actually have done what any good, video essay should do; encourage one to revisit the film with fresh eyes and a new perspective. While unfortunately (for me), QOS still sits down towards the bottom of my rankings (in fact it sits at the very bottom), my last viewing of QOS (which was in the buildup towards the release of NTTD), I’ve come to realize that QOS actually contains several different elements that sit amongst my absolute favorite elements of any Bond film. First off is Camille, who went from being one of my least favorite Bond girls as a kid seeing this, to my top 10 favorite Bond girls in the series. I love how Camille’s motivations for revenge mirror that of Bond’s, and the fact that they don’t try to romanticize the relationship between her and Bond is another factor into why I love her character so much, if any Bond girl was to be brought back for another film, I would’ve hoped for Camille, but sadly that will probably never happen. I absolutely love the brutality of the action here, I’m disappointed that it is hidden beneath all of the quick cut editing, but Bond’s fight with Slade in the hotel room is one of the rawest, and hard hitting action scenes in the entire series. Craig looks at his best here as Bond, from his physicality, to the suits and clothing they give him, and his performance is a brilliant insight into the inner workings of Bond’s mind; his lust for revenge, his desire to move past Vesper, his inability to preform his job adequately. This is a different take on Bond that we’ve never seen before, a Bond who makes mistakes due to his emotional state. It’s a performance I took for granted as a younger viewer, but now resonates with me in an entirely different light, and while I think Craig’s best performance as Bond was yet to come (that’s Spectre for me), here he really puts his own stamp on the character of Bond in a way that none of the others (even Dalton and Connery) manage to do. While QOS may not do much for me (as of now, it could very easily shoot its way up my rankings), it’s critical reevaluation and rediscovery fills my heart with joy. The great thing about the Bond community is that we all may disagree about certain things, but are always able to see ones point of view, and in my case, I can certainly see QOS as being the Bond film that will have me coming back to it over and over again!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Understand. That was an intense scene. I wonder how long Mitchell had been with Quantum? Also, I always did wonder as to why he didn’t kill M? Bond told M she was lucky to be alive. I love the atmosphere of the scene at Mitchell’s apartment and the score there.

    From the way the scene is edited,it SEEMS that Mitchell takes a shot at M and actually hits her.However,a few seconds later before Bond chases after Mitchell we get a brief shot of M ( or her double ) running out of the room unharmed.It’s hard to tell what the filmmakers were trying to convey here as the editing is completely incompetent.

    He shoots at M and the bullet hits the pole of Mr White's drip. Admittedly very difficult to spot unless you slow it down.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2021 Posts: 7,551
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Understand. That was an intense scene. I wonder how long Mitchell had been with Quantum? Also, I always did wonder as to why he didn’t kill M? Bond told M she was lucky to be alive. I love the atmosphere of the scene at Mitchell’s apartment and the score there.

    From the way the scene is edited,it SEEMS that Mitchell takes a shot at M and actually hits her.However,a few seconds later before Bond chases after Mitchell we get a brief shot of M ( or her double ) running out of the room unharmed.It’s hard to tell what the filmmakers were trying to convey here as the editing is completely incompetent.

    The editing may not be great, but I really don't think it's as difficult to understand as some are making it out to be. On first viewing, it's quite clear that Mitchell takes a shot at M and misses.

    But perhaps I'm just above average at understanding films. B-) (Kidding, of course.)
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    I *think* Marc Foster was intentionally making that moment confusing to invest the audience into how hectic and uncertain the whole scenario was. Bond makes a split second decision to pursue Mitchell not knowing if M's alright or not.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I froze the pic of the chessboard. The White King is in checkmate. I never watch the trailers, but when I heard them first speak about White in Spectre, I was beyond excited. It did play out well inSpectre (Bond/White). Their relationship ultimately leads to the last two movies stOryline. Mr. White redefined living off the grid in Spectre!

    Agree with everything here, and always appreciate some Spectre love! It is a great scene, "Two dead men, enjoying the evening!", "It wasn't MI6, it was Rome. Your team, not mine." Love it.

    The only issue with it is the same shoehorning they did with the rest of the film that didn't work. "Our game was our game, but women? Children?" He didn't seem too broken up about things when Vesper died in Venice. A bit of a contrivance there to pit White and Blofeld against eachother.

    I don't find it all that shoehorned. I think White organically came to his own conclusion about Blofeld, and how he was ramping things up. He was unhinged, and White had a problem with it. And perhaps the older he got, the more he regret the life choices he made that made him re-evaluate what he was doing. He'd lost everything, and everyone he loved. His wife abandoned him, and Madeleine didn't want anything to do with him, which you can tell bothers him. Madeleine was all he had left, and he'd do anything to protect her. In the end he wasn't all that concerned about himself; he'd played the game and finally lost. But he knew Blofeld wouldn't stop there and he'd go after his family too. Bond then becomes a nice immobilizer for him, his ace in the hole.

    White just seemed like a classic villain, really. Happy to kill men and do nefarious things to a limit, but stopped short of full on depravity and the killing of innocent women and children. It's hypocritical and morally bankrupt, but that's the man he was. I think part of why he wasn't broken up about Vesper was because it was a situation that ended up positively for him. In the ensuing chaos of Italy he got the money he needed, and the loose end of Vesper tied itself off via her suicide. He just didn't anticipate that Vesper would use her last moments to lay a seed for Bond to manipulate later. There's definitely a part of White that seemed too proud for his own good. He got sloppy here and there, because he felt he was a lot more protected than he really was. And in the end, it cost him his life.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Minion wrote: »
    I *think* Marc Foster was intentionally making that moment confusing to invest the audience into how hectic and uncertain the whole scenario was. Bond makes a split second decision to pursue Mitchell not knowing if M's alright or not.

    Well, yes, but Bond doesn't leave to chase after Mitchell until he knows M's okay. After he scuffles with Mitchell and Mitchell kicks him back and runs for it, Bond gives a quick look back and sees M running to safety. He then gives pursuit assured that she's safe.
  • edited November 2021 Posts: 526
    I froze the pic of the chessboard. The White King is in checkmate. I never watch the trailers, but when I heard them first speak about White in Spectre, I was beyond excited. It did play out well inSpectre (Bond/White). Their relationship ultimately leads to the last two movies stOryline. Mr. White redefined living off the grid in Spectre!

    Agree with everything here, and always appreciate some Spectre love! It is a great scene, "Two dead men, enjoying the evening!", "It wasn't MI6, it was Rome. Your team, not mine." Love it.

    The only issue with it is the same shoehorning they did with the rest of the film that didn't work. "Our game was our game, but women? Children?" He didn't seem too broken up about things when Vesper died in Venice. A bit of a contrivance there to pit White and Blofeld against eachother.

    I don't find it all that shoehorned. I think White organically came to his own conclusion about Blofeld, and how he was ramping things up. He was unhinged, and White had a problem with it. And perhaps the older he got, the more he regret the life choices he made that made him re-evaluate what he was doing. He'd lost everything, and everyone he loved. His wife abandoned him, and Madeleine didn't want anything to do with him, which you can tell bothers him. Madeleine was all he had left, and he'd do anything to protect her. In the end he wasn't all that concerned about himself; he'd played the game and finally lost. But he knew Blofeld wouldn't stop there and he'd go after his family too. Bond then becomes a nice immobilizer for him, his ace in the hole.

    White just seemed like a classic villain, really. Happy to kill men and do nefarious things to a limit, but stopped short of full on depravity and the killing of innocent women and children. It's hypocritical and morally bankrupt, but that's the man he was. I think part of why he wasn't broken up about Vesper was because it was a situation that ended up positively for him. In the ensuing chaos of Italy he got the money he needed, and the loose end of Vesper tied itself off via her suicide. He just didn't anticipate that Vesper would use her last moments to lay a seed for Bond to manipulate later. There's definitely a part of White that seemed too proud for his own good. He got sloppy here and there, because he felt he was a lot more protected than he really was. And in the end, it cost him his life.

    Spot on. And I think Bond had to kill some of Quantum’s men around White’s house-you know he had guards out there. So what did Bond do before White actually got there at his home (which was absolutely a gorgeous house and breathtaking scenery-wonder what it would cost?). Anyway, it seems like I have seen some deleted black and white photos with the ump around the house. Do we have a Casino Royale appreciation thread? I haven’t seen one. Great insight
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7.
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Understand. That was an intense scene. I wonder how long Mitchell had been with Quantum? Also, I always did wonder as to why he didn’t kill M? Bond told M she was lucky to be alive. I love the atmosphere of the scene at Mitchell’s apartment and the score there.

    From the way the scene is edited,it SEEMS that Mitchell takes a shot at M and actually hits her.However,a few seconds later before Bond chases after Mitchell we get a brief shot of M ( or her double ) running out of the room unharmed.It’s hard to tell what the filmmakers were trying to convey here as the editing is completely incompetent.

    I’d disagree. It is meant to be frenetic and in-your-face. It try’s to kill you into the action. Really, it’s aN artistic call, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I froze the pic of the chessboard. The White King is in checkmate. I never watch the trailers, but when I heard them first speak about White in Spectre, I was beyond excited. It did play out well inSpectre (Bond/White). Their relationship ultimately leads to the last two movies stOryline. Mr. White redefined living off the grid in Spectre!

    Agree with everything here, and always appreciate some Spectre love! It is a great scene, "Two dead men, enjoying the evening!", "It wasn't MI6, it was Rome. Your team, not mine." Love it.

    The only issue with it is the same shoehorning they did with the rest of the film that didn't work. "Our game was our game, but women? Children?" He didn't seem too broken up about things when Vesper died in Venice. A bit of a contrivance there to pit White and Blofeld against eachother.

    I don't find it all that shoehorned. I think White organically came to his own conclusion about Blofeld, and how he was ramping things up. He was unhinged, and White had a problem with it. And perhaps the older he got, the more he regret the life choices he made that made him re-evaluate what he was doing. He'd lost everything, and everyone he loved. His wife abandoned him, and Madeleine didn't want anything to do with him, which you can tell bothers him. Madeleine was all he had left, and he'd do anything to protect her. In the end he wasn't all that concerned about himself; he'd played the game and finally lost. But he knew Blofeld wouldn't stop there and he'd go after his family too. Bond then becomes a nice immobilizer for him, his ace in the hole.

    White just seemed like a classic villain, really. Happy to kill men and do nefarious things to a limit, but stopped short of full on depravity and the killing of innocent women and children. It's hypocritical and morally bankrupt, but that's the man he was. I think part of why he wasn't broken up about Vesper was because it was a situation that ended up positively for him. In the ensuing chaos of Italy he got the money he needed, and the loose end of Vesper tied itself off via her suicide. He just didn't anticipate that Vesper would use her last moments to lay a seed for Bond to manipulate later. There's definitely a part of White that seemed too proud for his own good. He got sloppy here and there, because he felt he was a lot more protected than he really was. And in the end, it cost him his life.

    Spot on. And I think Bond had to kill some of Quantum’s men around White’s house-you know he had guards out there. So what did Bond do before White actually got there at his home (which was absolutely a gorgeous house and breathtaking scenery-wonder what it would cost?). Anyway, it seems like I have seen some deleted black and white photos with the ump around the house. Do we have a Casino Royale appreciation thread? I haven’t seen one. Great insight
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7.
    Yeah, there are several pics on Google images of Craig holding the UMP at White's villa. In one pic, he's wearing shades, I think the Persols. Cool pic.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    I just remembered that I once did a little map graphic about the PTS of Quantum that I posted somewhere else, which might be of interest to you lot as well:

    nzte5m2c8sn61.png

    It basically charts the real-life locations of the car chase on a map.

    1. Villa Gaeta on Lake Como in northern Italy. Strictly speaking not QoS but the ending of CR. Bond shoots Mr. White in the leg after tracking him down via Vesper's phone. Off-screen he presumably dumps him into his boot and gets going.

    2. Tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine (240 km/150 miles, without highways). The opening shots of QoS. Bond is by now getting chased by bad guys in two Alfa Romeos. He loses his driver's side door here. Maybe MI6 transfered White to Lake Garda for an interrogation, before deciding they actually need to go to the safe house in Siena. Maybe Bond was supposed to take White to Bozen, north of Garda, and decided to take the scenic route, before his chasers forced him south. Anyway, he is being chased along the eastern shore of the lake.*

    3. Tunnel at Tremosine sul Garda (284 km/175 miles without highways). The chase continues through the very picturesque and memorable tunnel in Tremosine sul Garda on the western shore of Garda. The carabinieri here are very helpful to their colleagues all over the country as upon Bond and one remaining Alfa entering the tunnel they immediatly realize and warn that they are headed for the quarries 300 km to their south.

    4. Marble quarries at Massa-Carrara (575 km/357 miles without highways). After driving for 300 km without anything of note happening and Bond making the decision to not go directly to his destination in Siena but to take in some more scenery to the west of the optimal route, we rejoin the chase in the famous marble quarries of Massa-Carrara. Having been warned by their northern colleagues that a car chase is going to come their way in a couple of hours, the carabinieri join the chase, but are swiftly taken out by the remaining Alfa. That car in turn is finally taken care of by Bond and the chase ends.

    5. Siena (741 km/460 miles without highways). Bond does a further 166 km/100 miles leisure-drive through beautiful Tuscany with a shot-up car that has no driver's side door and is caked in marble dust to finally get to his destination Siena. Mr. White has been in the boot the entire time and sadly missed all the wonderful scenery 007 got to enjoy (Oh and by the way: That MI6 safehouse is inside Siena's restricted traffic zone, so Bond can expect a hefty fine through the automated toll system at the town gates, unless he somehow got a special permit.).

    *To me, the footage looks like they are driving southward on the SR249 with the lake to their right, but all sources I found are unanimously saying the start is on the eastern shore going north. If they were going south, that would strengthen the Bozen theory (he got blocked somewhere around Mezzana and turned south), but then why would he ever turn up on the other side of the lake instead of going straight south?

    I am fully aware of how ridiculous this is. I just love this part of Italy and always have to laugh when they drive from the lake straight into the quarry
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @ImpertinentGoon, that's incredible. I've never seen any discussion of the route Bond takes in QoS, or any talk of how it charts a decent path to where he needs to end up. I respect the fact alone that those behind the filming actually took this kind of geography into consideration throughout.

    I always got the idea from the film that Bond is purposefully driving the most rugged terrain he can get at in an effort to lose his pursuers, or put them into situations where they will be in more peril due to poor traction or the road conditions and all the obstacles throughout. Because Bond being Bond, he's confident that he can handle just about anything he faces behind the wheel.
  • Posts: 1,394
    I just remembered that I once did a little map graphic about the PTS of Quantum that I posted somewhere else, which might be of interest to you lot as well:

    nzte5m2c8sn61.png

    It basically charts the real-life locations of the car chase on a map.

    1. Villa Gaeta on Lake Como in northern Italy. Strictly speaking not QoS but the ending of CR. Bond shoots Mr. White in the leg after tracking him down via Vesper's phone. Off-screen he presumably dumps him into his boot and gets going.

    2. Tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine (240 km/150 miles, without highways). The opening shots of QoS. Bond is by now getting chased by bad guys in two Alfa Romeos. He loses his driver's side door here. Maybe MI6 transfered White to Lake Garda for an interrogation, before deciding they actually need to go to the safe house in Siena. Maybe Bond was supposed to take White to Bozen, north of Garda, and decided to take the scenic route, before his chasers forced him south. Anyway, he is being chased along the eastern shore of the lake.*

    3. Tunnel at Tremosine sul Garda (284 km/175 miles without highways). The chase continues through the very picturesque and memorable tunnel in Tremosine sul Garda on the western shore of Garda. The carabinieri here are very helpful to their colleagues all over the country as upon Bond and one remaining Alfa entering the tunnel they immediatly realize and warn that they are headed for the quarries 300 km to their south.

    4. Marble quarries at Massa-Carrara (575 km/357 miles without highways). After driving for 300 km without anything of note happening and Bond making the decision to not go directly to his destination in Siena but to take in some more scenery to the west of the optimal route, we rejoin the chase in the famous marble quarries of Massa-Carrara. Having been warned by their northern colleagues that a car chase is going to come their way in a couple of hours, the carabinieri join the chase, but are swiftly taken out by the remaining Alfa. That car in turn is finally taken care of by Bond and the chase ends.

    5. Siena (741 km/460 miles without highways). Bond does a further 166 km/100 miles leisure-drive through beautiful Tuscany with a shot-up car that has no driver's side door and is caked in marble dust to finally get to his destination Siena. Mr. White has been in the boot the entire time and sadly missed all the wonderful scenery 007 got to enjoy (Oh and by the way: That MI6 safehouse is inside Siena's restricted traffic zone, so Bond can expect a hefty fine through the automated toll system at the town gates, unless he somehow got a special permit.).

    *To me, the footage looks like they are driving southward on the SR249 with the lake to their right, but all sources I found are unanimously saying the start is on the eastern shore going north. If they were going south, that would strengthen the Bozen theory (he got blocked somewhere around Mezzana and turned south), but then why would he ever turn up on the other side of the lake instead of going straight south?

    I am fully aware of how ridiculous this is. I just love this part of Italy and always have to laugh when they drive from the lake straight into the quarry

    So did Bond suddenly decide to change suits after he dumped White into the boot?

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I just remembered that I once did a little map graphic about the PTS of Quantum that I posted somewhere else, which might be of interest to you lot as well:

    nzte5m2c8sn61.png

    It basically charts the real-life locations of the car chase on a map.

    1. Villa Gaeta on Lake Como in northern Italy. Strictly speaking not QoS but the ending of CR. Bond shoots Mr. White in the leg after tracking him down via Vesper's phone. Off-screen he presumably dumps him into his boot and gets going.

    2. Tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine (240 km/150 miles, without highways). The opening shots of QoS. Bond is by now getting chased by bad guys in two Alfa Romeos. He loses his driver's side door here. Maybe MI6 transfered White to Lake Garda for an interrogation, before deciding they actually need to go to the safe house in Siena. Maybe Bond was supposed to take White to Bozen, north of Garda, and decided to take the scenic route, before his chasers forced him south. Anyway, he is being chased along the eastern shore of the lake.*

    3. Tunnel at Tremosine sul Garda (284 km/175 miles without highways). The chase continues through the very picturesque and memorable tunnel in Tremosine sul Garda on the western shore of Garda. The carabinieri here are very helpful to their colleagues all over the country as upon Bond and one remaining Alfa entering the tunnel they immediatly realize and warn that they are headed for the quarries 300 km to their south.

    4. Marble quarries at Massa-Carrara (575 km/357 miles without highways). After driving for 300 km without anything of note happening and Bond making the decision to not go directly to his destination in Siena but to take in some more scenery to the west of the optimal route, we rejoin the chase in the famous marble quarries of Massa-Carrara. Having been warned by their northern colleagues that a car chase is going to come their way in a couple of hours, the carabinieri join the chase, but are swiftly taken out by the remaining Alfa. That car in turn is finally taken care of by Bond and the chase ends.

    5. Siena (741 km/460 miles without highways). Bond does a further 166 km/100 miles leisure-drive through beautiful Tuscany with a shot-up car that has no driver's side door and is caked in marble dust to finally get to his destination Siena. Mr. White has been in the boot the entire time and sadly missed all the wonderful scenery 007 got to enjoy (Oh and by the way: That MI6 safehouse is inside Siena's restricted traffic zone, so Bond can expect a hefty fine through the automated toll system at the town gates, unless he somehow got a special permit.).

    *To me, the footage looks like they are driving southward on the SR249 with the lake to their right, but all sources I found are unanimously saying the start is on the eastern shore going north. If they were going south, that would strengthen the Bozen theory (he got blocked somewhere around Mezzana and turned south), but then why would he ever turn up on the other side of the lake instead of going straight south?

    I am fully aware of how ridiculous this is. I just love this part of Italy and always have to laugh when they drive from the lake straight into the quarry

    So did Bond suddenly decide to change suits after he dumped White into the boot?

    That's just the case of the films being directed by two different people. Considering the thought that was put behind making Bond's journey match up geographically, what he's wearing while driving is about as unimportant as it gets.
  • Posts: 1,394
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I just remembered that I once did a little map graphic about the PTS of Quantum that I posted somewhere else, which might be of interest to you lot as well:

    nzte5m2c8sn61.png

    It basically charts the real-life locations of the car chase on a map.

    1. Villa Gaeta on Lake Como in northern Italy. Strictly speaking not QoS but the ending of CR. Bond shoots Mr. White in the leg after tracking him down via Vesper's phone. Off-screen he presumably dumps him into his boot and gets going.

    2. Tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine (240 km/150 miles, without highways). The opening shots of QoS. Bond is by now getting chased by bad guys in two Alfa Romeos. He loses his driver's side door here. Maybe MI6 transfered White to Lake Garda for an interrogation, before deciding they actually need to go to the safe house in Siena. Maybe Bond was supposed to take White to Bozen, north of Garda, and decided to take the scenic route, before his chasers forced him south. Anyway, he is being chased along the eastern shore of the lake.*

    3. Tunnel at Tremosine sul Garda (284 km/175 miles without highways). The chase continues through the very picturesque and memorable tunnel in Tremosine sul Garda on the western shore of Garda. The carabinieri here are very helpful to their colleagues all over the country as upon Bond and one remaining Alfa entering the tunnel they immediatly realize and warn that they are headed for the quarries 300 km to their south.

    4. Marble quarries at Massa-Carrara (575 km/357 miles without highways). After driving for 300 km without anything of note happening and Bond making the decision to not go directly to his destination in Siena but to take in some more scenery to the west of the optimal route, we rejoin the chase in the famous marble quarries of Massa-Carrara. Having been warned by their northern colleagues that a car chase is going to come their way in a couple of hours, the carabinieri join the chase, but are swiftly taken out by the remaining Alfa. That car in turn is finally taken care of by Bond and the chase ends.

    5. Siena (741 km/460 miles without highways). Bond does a further 166 km/100 miles leisure-drive through beautiful Tuscany with a shot-up car that has no driver's side door and is caked in marble dust to finally get to his destination Siena. Mr. White has been in the boot the entire time and sadly missed all the wonderful scenery 007 got to enjoy (Oh and by the way: That MI6 safehouse is inside Siena's restricted traffic zone, so Bond can expect a hefty fine through the automated toll system at the town gates, unless he somehow got a special permit.).

    *To me, the footage looks like they are driving southward on the SR249 with the lake to their right, but all sources I found are unanimously saying the start is on the eastern shore going north. If they were going south, that would strengthen the Bozen theory (he got blocked somewhere around Mezzana and turned south), but then why would he ever turn up on the other side of the lake instead of going straight south?

    I am fully aware of how ridiculous this is. I just love this part of Italy and always have to laugh when they drive from the lake straight into the quarry

    So did Bond suddenly decide to change suits after he dumped White into the boot?

    That's just the case of the films being directed by two different people. Considering the thought that was put behind making Bond's journey match up geographically, what he's wearing while driving is about as unimportant as it gets.


    That sounds like a genuinely careless attention to continuity.It’s like Rian Johnson switching Kylo Renns scar from where it was on one side of his face at the end of The Farce Awakens to the other side for The Last Jedi.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I just remembered that I once did a little map graphic about the PTS of Quantum that I posted somewhere else, which might be of interest to you lot as well:

    nzte5m2c8sn61.png

    It basically charts the real-life locations of the car chase on a map.

    1. Villa Gaeta on Lake Como in northern Italy. Strictly speaking not QoS but the ending of CR. Bond shoots Mr. White in the leg after tracking him down via Vesper's phone. Off-screen he presumably dumps him into his boot and gets going.

    2. Tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine (240 km/150 miles, without highways). The opening shots of QoS. Bond is by now getting chased by bad guys in two Alfa Romeos. He loses his driver's side door here. Maybe MI6 transfered White to Lake Garda for an interrogation, before deciding they actually need to go to the safe house in Siena. Maybe Bond was supposed to take White to Bozen, north of Garda, and decided to take the scenic route, before his chasers forced him south. Anyway, he is being chased along the eastern shore of the lake.*

    3. Tunnel at Tremosine sul Garda (284 km/175 miles without highways). The chase continues through the very picturesque and memorable tunnel in Tremosine sul Garda on the western shore of Garda. The carabinieri here are very helpful to their colleagues all over the country as upon Bond and one remaining Alfa entering the tunnel they immediatly realize and warn that they are headed for the quarries 300 km to their south.

    4. Marble quarries at Massa-Carrara (575 km/357 miles without highways). After driving for 300 km without anything of note happening and Bond making the decision to not go directly to his destination in Siena but to take in some more scenery to the west of the optimal route, we rejoin the chase in the famous marble quarries of Massa-Carrara. Having been warned by their northern colleagues that a car chase is going to come their way in a couple of hours, the carabinieri join the chase, but are swiftly taken out by the remaining Alfa. That car in turn is finally taken care of by Bond and the chase ends.

    5. Siena (741 km/460 miles without highways). Bond does a further 166 km/100 miles leisure-drive through beautiful Tuscany with a shot-up car that has no driver's side door and is caked in marble dust to finally get to his destination Siena. Mr. White has been in the boot the entire time and sadly missed all the wonderful scenery 007 got to enjoy (Oh and by the way: That MI6 safehouse is inside Siena's restricted traffic zone, so Bond can expect a hefty fine through the automated toll system at the town gates, unless he somehow got a special permit.).

    *To me, the footage looks like they are driving southward on the SR249 with the lake to their right, but all sources I found are unanimously saying the start is on the eastern shore going north. If they were going south, that would strengthen the Bozen theory (he got blocked somewhere around Mezzana and turned south), but then why would he ever turn up on the other side of the lake instead of going straight south?

    I am fully aware of how ridiculous this is. I just love this part of Italy and always have to laugh when they drive from the lake straight into the quarry

    So did Bond suddenly decide to change suits after he dumped White into the boot?

    That's just the case of the films being directed by two different people. Considering the thought that was put behind making Bond's journey match up geographically, what he's wearing while driving is about as unimportant as it gets.


    That sounds like a genuinely careless attention to continuity.It’s like Rian Johnson switching Kylo Renns scar from where it was on one side of his face at the end of The Farce Awakens to the other side for The Last Jedi.

    @AstonLotus, oh, please. I love that you're comparing a mild change in wardrobe to a scar on a character's face changing position. This is the very definition of a nit-pick, which you can do to literally any aspect of a Bond film. To pretend otherwise is foolish.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Another point of interest (at least for me) regarding continuity is the UMP on Bond's passenger seat is assumed to be the one he shoots White with, and yet it has an accessory rail bolted to the right side of the hand guard. In a BTS photo of Bond aiming out the DBS window, the gun has the suppressor attached, but it's not in the final film. One wonders if the UMP in QOS is actually one he collected from a henchman off screen.
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