It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
^ Back to Top
The MI6 Community is unofficial and in no way associated or linked with EON Productions, MGM, Sony Pictures, Activision or Ian Fleming Publications. Any views expressed on this website are of the individual members and do not necessarily reflect those of the Community owners. Any video or images displayed in topics on MI6 Community are embedded by users from third party sites and as such MI6 Community and its owners take no responsibility for this material.
James Bond News • James Bond Articles • James Bond Magazine
Comments
This is why I love you and your posts @DC007. I can never tell if you are being genuine or not, and whether you are or not, you are quite the entertaining poster. :-bd
Almost missed on purpose though, we were always going to get something different after what happened and with Lazenby and Hunt leaving. The question was what. Whatever it was to be it would have never been as good, I agree.
In the post you quoted, I was serious ! :)>-
No that is me being kind, my other remark has been removed, that one was harsh.
What?
IMHO, the car chase is unnecessary because it doesn't advance the plot. In fact, it raises more questions than it answers: who are the people chasing him, for one?
The movie could have opened just as dramatically with White's interrogation. The rope swinging would then lead into the titles.
The chase on opening were made to show the ppl that is watching, What kind of action the movie would show on. Action from beginning to the end.
This just all sounds a bit bitter to me but suit yourself.
Eh, White's men? And not advance the plot! That's like saying Octopussy's PTS doesn't advance the plot.
Because we already know the answer. Bond doesn't but we know she slept with him to get her personal vendetta against General Medrano. They avoided the plot repeating, and at least tried to tidy the script.
I thought that was obvious?
I like it in films when they aren't perfect. Interruption happen in real life. In the perfect film world (where 98% of films sit) there wouldn't be interruptions like that. It adds a sort of aesthetic to the film.
The car chase is perfect, the interrogation scene is ok. It has humor, not too much but still it does, it has the opera house scene, one of the best of the enire Bond history. The water thing is quite interesting, the end, with the "I never left" line and the neacklace in the snow is beautiful, the short role of Stana Katic is well thought and interesting, because you can imagin Vesper being in her place some years ago.
Once said this, I have to say that TMWTGG is my favourite Bond film. Roger's acting is superb and so is Lee's. The two problems it has are: the whistle in the scene with the car and Bond's ally leaving him without getting into the car.
Eh ? no opinions on Bond are facts. I don't know why you wrote that post, because everyone knows I am posting my opinion, not a fact. It isn't a fact that CR or QOS are better written than DAF, it's just the opinion people have. So I stand by my opinion that DAF is by far the best written Bond film, and nothing you will say will change my views on that.
Sorry, but your post is just silly. I don't see how anyone could mistake an opinion for a fact. It isn't a fact that CR is the best Bond film or that QOS is better written than DAF, or any possible opinion on Bond. They are just simply humble opinions... There are no opinions that are right and opinions that are wrong. I am not wrong when I say the best script in the franchise is DAF, and you are not right when you say QOS is a good Bond film. They are just the opinions that you may or not agree with.
But thanks for posting the obvious - when people post an opinion, they post an opinion, not a fact.
Next Generation SPECTRE (Quantum)
Realistic Villain Plot. (Water stealing)
Secondary villain who happens to be a rapist. (Medrano)
I love QoS it's in my Top 10.
Ahh that is complete rubbish! What are you basing this on? Go and look at QOS's score on IMDB, I would call that general consensus, wouldn't you? It rates equal or better then 13 other Bond movies placing it around #10 and better then most of Brosnan's and Moore's except for GE and TSWLM.
Personally I love QOS and place it easily in my Top 10. It is unconventional but that's what makes it unique and fun.
Highlights for me include the opening PTS chase which is one of the best car chases I've ever seen! I had serious goosebumps watching that the first time on the big screen. The Bergenz Opera scene is brilliant and one of the best Bond moments ever IMHO. Craig and the rest of the cast are top notch and the cinematography is breathtaking.
Like others have said I think QOS will only improve in opinion polls and ratings over the years, its a rough gem but a gem nonetheless!
But here's a fact for you: One of the behind-the-scenes documentaries clearly shows all the problems they had building a coherent script. The co-screenwriting never really worked that well, and they had to do several rewrites. There's often no sense of why one scene is following another. Wint and Kid vanish from the movie for almost 50 minutes? After they attempt to bury Bond in the dessert, they aren't seen again until the epilogue? Wtf? Also, Tiffany Case - she vanishes from the movie for almost as long (and having Bond not even notice that she's missing, wtf?)
The illogic in the script is seen numerous times. So Bond is given "one last chance" to tell where the diamonds are after he's nearly cremated alive in a coffin (if you've just shown that you're going to kill him no matter what, what exactly are you going to threaten him with?). Other "huh?" moments include Cabot showing up to kill Whyte even though he was never actually told to do so, and, of course, the oil rig "climax" where the producers didn't have time or money to shoot an actual ending, so they just randomly blew stuff up. And - the script aside - Saltzman and Broccoli clearly cared so little about plot logic that they cut the scene that would have explained why the Lana Wood character ends up dead in Jill St. John's pool, even though they'd already filmed it and it was only like a minute long.
The script for DAF is probably not the worst Bond-script ever, but it's certainly one of the dumbest!
Amen my friend. I don't know where this general consensus nonsense came from. I recall QOS getting it's fair share of good reviews upon it's release. And in addition to it's solid score on IMDB it's certified fresh with a 65 percent rating on rotten tomatoes, which is higher than every Brosnan film, minus GE, and 5 of the 7 Moore films (TSWLM and FYEO being the only ones ranked higher). That's 8 Bond films I just mentioned, not counting NSNA. I undertand that rankings on IMDB and RT are composed by casual fans and not hardcore fans like us but last time I checked the general consensus is made up from the majority's opinion not the minority. And in QOS's case the majority ranks it in the middle of the Bond series, certainly not the bottem as @Baltimore007 said. I honestly don't know where he pulled that one out of.
Personally I never cared for TB but even Im objective enough to admit it's generally considered one of the better Bond films. Just like QOS is considered a solid entry in the series. Not the best but far far away from the worst.
And as a previous poster said, there was a time that OHMSS was considered one of the worst Bond films. Now it's easily considered one of the best. Im not saying QOS will enjoy the same reaction but so far it hasn't been aging badly.
I don't consider it the worst but it's still in my bottom 5. It's one of the films I've watched the least. Everytime I see it I TRY really really hard to love it but, while it has some good scenes (and it does), something's off.
I read a well-written review on Amazon recently that, after giving QoS another go, said they needed to watch OP afterwards to cheer themselves up. Sad but I can understand their view.
You sumed up alot of my feeling towards DAF @Zekidk. DAF is a jarring Bond film because it's packed with instances that just don't make sense. Somehow I get the feeling that EON had some great ideas, maybe even a rough draft, of a really awesome follow up to OHMSS but after Lazenby and the film weren't recieved as kindly they had to completly change gears from what they were planning. It's a real shame because DAF could've been just as good, if not better, than OHMSS.
WTF momemts seems to exist in alot of the Guy Hamilton films, except for GF. DAF, TMWTGG, and even LALD (which I liked very much) have alot of instances that leave me scratching my head. Hence Guy Hamilton is probably my least favorite of the 5 Bond film directors to direct more than 1 entry.
Agreed. The movie has holes you could drive a Mustang through.
Anyway..... I do think that DAF has an excellent script, the best in the franchise. The entire dialogue is quotable, there's lots of classic scenes.... and I don't care about plot holes, they don't make or break a film. IMO DAF's amazing lines and classic scenes trumps the plot holes it may have. And the script is quite Flemingesque too, so that's another plus for DAF.
No one is arguing, that your opinion isn't "permitted". That's a ludicrous accusation.
What a lot of people are saying, is that your opinion is horrendous. Arguing that DAF has "the best script in the franchise" (better than OHMSS, FRWL etc) is like saying that the latest Steven Seagal-movie has a better script than let's say 'Shawshank Redemption"
And have you even read the novel by Fleming? Only fragments of his novel remain, including the characters of Case and the gay hitmen. The remainder of Richard Maibaum and Tom Mankiewicz's script diverges dramatically from the novel.
"Flemingesque"? I think not!
Yes OHMSS's and FRWL's script are very, very good... but I think DAF's has the little plus that puts it in front..