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Craig Confirm Moneypenny? And B23 to be darker?

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    Can't wait. Craig will follow the old tradition established by Connery and Moore of a Bond actor's 3rd film being the one that really defines them. The Brosnan era ruined that tradition with TWINE but then again Brosnan ruined alot of things.
    Dalton ruined it first, he didn`t turn up for a third...

    Would you have, under the given circumstances? Part of me is ever so slightly 'angry' with the whole fact of Dalton not doing a third Bond in the 90s but I doubt it's Dalton's call. They couldn't release a film early in the 90s and by the time GE came to be, it had been too long and Brosnan was high on Cubby's wish list. So the other part of me doesn't blame him at all.

  • Mr_SterlingMr_Sterling
    Posts: 99
    How about a scenario were Bond has to rescue a mission-important engineer called Major Boothroyd.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2011 Posts: 15,718
    Actually I think they can simply just have them there. I have feeling that the film will acknowledge the years that have passed. Also considering how QOS took place immediately after CR we can assumes QOS took place in late 2006 or early 2007. The security camera in Nassau confirms that the film is taking place in June 2006. I suppose Bond takes a few months to recover towards the end. However I doubt what happens in QOS can be anything more than a year after the Nassau scenes. As a matter of fact QOS the videogame states that Bond meeting Greene takes place 6 months after the Madagascar chase in CR. So assuming Bond 23 does indeed take place in 2012, Bond will have had 5 years of going on missions and gaining experience. I’m sure in this time M could've hired a new secretary and MI6 could've gotten a higher budget or something and made Major Boothroyd the head of Q branch. It wouldn't bother me if they're already a part of Bond’s universe as the beginning of the film.
    http://screenmusings.org/QuantumOfSolace/pages/QoS_1165.htm

    See the date on the ticket ? 23 august 2008. ;-)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    It remains to be seen exactly how 'dark' Bond 23 will be made. If they are smart - mind you 'if' - they abandon the trend that pervades many films nowadays, which is indeed to darken everything out, and re-introduce a more feel-good, escapist approach. Star Wars made people smile again in the ever so grey and depressed seventies. It has thrived on that success for decades since. I'm not saying Bond 23 needs to be the Roger Coreman Bond, but at least I'd love to walk out of the theatre with a sense of joy, with a smile on my face, which would have been the case had I been there in '64, '65, '77, '79,... This forum is aware of my appreciation for the darker Bonds, but I only love things when they come in small doses (exceptions: horror, fries and makin' whoopee :P). Well, for the past ten years, the darker tone in the Bond films has been abundant and dominant, and for a lot of other things, overtly present in other franchises as well. So can they make a bold move and present us with another TB? Let's hope so.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    Sounds promising. Craig doing a third after a four year hiatus is a benefit if you ask me. He's had long enough away from the character to do other things. But is obviously eager to make a new film, and having a director who (apparently) knows Bond and has worked with Craig is also a good thing.

    I hope this incredible script and all of those things is not just a throwaway line. For a Bond absence of this length, I'd like something great for Bond 23.
    It's really not to much to ask. Don't rush it. Don't make it to light.
    Aim for GF...TSWLM...TLD and CR.
    Or just remake OP and have a massive success on your hands. But then why try and top the best.
    (That last part is just me being OP obsessive and in no way warrants a spin off or any kind of discussion. Therefore stick to the topic at hand. Cheers.)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    hope they also can remove Judi Dench since she does not fit in a bond film M must be played by a male!.
    ...and here we go...
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,718
    hope they also can remove Judi Dench since she does not fit in a bond film M must be played by a male!.
    ...and here we go...
    I didn't start this... for once...

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    hope they also can remove Judi Dench since she does not fit in a bond film M must be played by a male!.
    ...and here we go...
    I didn't start this... for once...

    No you didn't DC.
    But I'll end it for you.
    Please stick to the topic at hand. Good work. ;-)
  • St_GeorgeSt_George Shuttling Drax's lovelies to the space doughnut - happy 40th, MR!
    Posts: 1,699
    Nice to see that however small and guarded they are, details seem to be starting to spill out into the public domain about Bond 23.

    It's warming up nicely at last... :)
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Where in that interview does it mention anything about the new film being "darker"?
  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    Where in that interview does it mention anything about the new film being "darker"?
    The interviewer says there is chatter that the movie return to the older traditional elements and might have a darker take on anything
    And during Craig's response he says "We have to wait and see", and after laughing at us in our tourment of unknowingness, he says "it'll have all those things", and then continues on to talk about Mendes.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited August 2011 Posts: 422
    But what we do know for certain is that TWINE sucked.
    8-|
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    Posts: 1,778
    How does that make me a loser? The majority of fans agree with me.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    How does that make me a loser? The majority of fans agree with me.
    No opinion could make you a loser, friend.

    And I for one agree that TWINE is in the bottom three of Bond film.

  • BondBond
    Posts: 503
    I am simply TIRED of 'darker' films. This is a total disapointment, as I wanted a TB-esque adventure. How darker can they get ? I don't think I will watch B23 at all, if this continues the way it is... I wanted the fun back in B23. Atleast Moneypenny is back... This looks more and more like a film I'll download on the internet when it becomes available... No way I am paying 5 euros for another Bond film I'll probably not appreciate.
    Craig didn't actually say that it was darker, the interviewer just framed the question in such a way that Craig didn't want to give a "yes" or "no" answer to the Moneypenny element specifically, so he just say "yes to all of it". I doubt the film will be "darker" than the previous two, since in the other interview Craig confirmed that it would be more "classic" than those two.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    I agree with the poster who brought up the whole star wars feel good factor. Bond is a character that most men want to be and his missions are exciting adventures. I want to watch and enjoy these Bond movie all the while I was wishing to be him. Keep the brutal fight scenes but give us a compelling story like that of FRWL, an atmospheric scope like that of TB and we have a winner. JJ Abrams' super 8 movie is essentially a seduction letter to those classic, feel good, memorable movies of the late 70s to the mid 80s and in this day and age, he's made it work wonderfully. The magic that made the Bond movies great to begin with can be restored too!
  • SharkShark Banned
    edited August 2011 Posts: 348
    A movie or the movie can be as dark as it wants, the key is to make it thrilling. Dark does not necceaarily mean uber violent or depressing it could mean that the subject matter or indeed the look of the film is more broody and affecting. Flemings novels are chock full of shadows and oppressive situations...
    The crucial factor is that the Fleming books had the 'benign bizarre.' Colorful and stranglely macabre characters or scenarios (i.e. the Garden of Death or Dr, No's labyrinth of pain) yet never taken too seriously. They always had a kind pulpy, Bulldog Drummond-for-adults edge. With the exception of a few things (i.e. Le Chiffre's bleeding tear ducts), the Craig era has sorely lacked this element.

    Aside from the humour, the thing that set the Bond franchise apart from others, is personality. Loose that, and it's only 007 by name.


  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
    Posts: 1,370
    One thing that I'd like to see again is a nice drawn out suspense scene like the safe-cracking scene in OHMSS. Just re-watched Munich and the scene where they build the tension up prior to detonating the phone bomb was extremely well done. Would love to see something like that during an operation in a Bond film.
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    I would like a prequel introduction of Miss Moneypenny, eg. M introducing her to Bond as her secretary in her first day of job.
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