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Craig never liked Connery or Brosnan...

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2011 Posts: 15,716
    I also read he turned down Bond when initally offered then changed his mind until the script for CR was re-done.
    I think Craig didn't want to play in Bond films, but he wanted to make 'good' films that happened to be James Bond. Craig put the quality first, Bond second... Something I approve, but not to the point of CR where the new films are unrecognizable from other action films... IMO, of course.

  • danslittlefingerdanslittlefinger
    edited July 2011 Posts: 886
    I also read he turned down Bond when initally offered then changed his mind until the script for CR was re-done.
    I think Craig didn't want to play in Bond films, but he wanted to make 'good' films that happened to be James Bond. Craig put the quality first, Bond second... Something I approve, but not to the point of CR where the new films are unrecognizable from other action films... IMO, of course.

    Indeed.
    I really hope he doesn't spread himself too thin on other franchises as well as Bond, not that he isn't capable but oversaturation can lead to many things not only for the actor but for the audience as well.
    I also want to add that I read the EW weekly interview again and both actors (Craig and Ford) really don't come over too well.
    They might want to rethink their printed interview approach a little.
  • timmertimmer
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    timmer loves Connery and his films
    Interesting point - timmer loves the Age of Connery. I guess that partially explains his reaction to Craig;s comments. I'm willing to bet that if Craig said he didn't like Brosnan, timmer wouldn't bat an eyelid.
    Sigh. Actually its not that interesting a point and I'd be willing to bet that you are wrong, but if that's what you need to believe, go for it. In the meantime, Craig's comments speak for themselves. Both Sean and Brozzer can consider themselves disrespected by Daniel the wonderful.

  • ShorelineShoreline
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    It does appear Craig doesn`t care much about the Bond legacy, and isn`t concerned about being much of an "ambassidor" for the series. He`s a serious actor, and serious about what he does. It`s a far cry from the days of Moore and Brosnan, who were happy to send themselves up on chat shows and interviews. Maybe he still feels he has to prove something?
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    It does appear Craig doesn`t care much about the Bond legacy, and isn`t concerned about being much of an "ambassidor" for the series. He`s a serious actor, and serious about what he does. It`s a far cry from the days of Moore and Brosnan, who were happy to send themselves up on chat shows and interviews. Maybe he still feels he has to prove something?
    Actually I think you are wrong there. I think he is slowly falling for the role.

    Recent interviews show an enthusiasm for doing another Bond I havent seen since the Rog days. Whether he was terrified of being a 2-film Bond ala Dalton I dont know - but he does seem genuinely pleased to be doing the next one. Even Digital Spy has the headline "Craig cant wait for next Bond"

    i think he has genuine pride in his work and has gone on record to praise the new script. He seemed awfully proud of QoS.

    I think somewhere the Bond bug has sneaked under his bedclothes and bitten him. But being a 'serious' actor it is often better to not show it.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2011 Posts: 15,716
    It does appear Craig doesn`t care much about the Bond legacy, and isn`t concerned about being much of an "ambassidor" for the series. He`s a serious actor, and serious about what he does. It`s a far cry from the days of Moore and Brosnan, who were happy to send themselves up on chat shows and interviews. Maybe he still feels he has to prove something?
    Actually I think you are wrong there. I think he is slowly falling for the role.
    Maybe, but he didn't care about Bond's legacy when he first got the role. He was more interested in making a good film than a Bond film. He wanted to make a good film that happened to be James Bond. So, he did not care about James Bond when he was in negociations. He is the first actor since Lazenby to not have been approached or rumoured prior to the final negociations, so he didn't have to think about Bond, the legacy and the franchise before. He did not have any broader picture when he got cast... He thought 'I'm doing a good film' and not 'I'm doing a Bond film'... Something I disaprove of completly and find insulting, as a Bond fan.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited July 2011 Posts: 28,694
    DC, saying Dan didn't think of Bond when he got into the role is utter crap. He took the time to see the development of the script then chose to do it, not because he wanted just a good movie, but a good Bond film as well. He had already read the books and seen at least a few Moore films and probably Dalton, so he was obviously a fan. I don't know how you couldn't be sucked in by the fantasy of it all. More importantly, Craig must have had the right thinking because CR turned out to be an absolute masterpiece that could sit at the dinner table next to FRWL,GF,and TB.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2011 Posts: 15,716
    Sorry, I simply don't believe Craig thought of Bond's legacy when in negociations for CR... I think he was more interested in doing a good film than a Bond film... Being the first Bond since Lazenby to not been approached or rumoured prior to being cast says a lot, IMO. Craig never wanted to make a Bond film. Only when he saw the script was good/great, he decided to do this film that just happened to be Bond. You have to realize Craig was happy not being an A-star who couldn't walk in the street without being recognized. He said so in interviews. Craig cared more about the script than Bond's legacy.
    He had already read the books and seen at least a few Moore films and probably Dalton, so he was obviously a fan.
    That means nothing... Just because he saw a couple of films doesn't make him a fan. I read the Potter novels and saw nearly all the films, and I am still not a fan, I much more appreciate LOTR. You don't become a fan by simply watching a film or reading a novel... You don't appreciate everything you read or see...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    That's not what I meant by that. I'm saying it was likely for Craig to be sucked into the fantasy of the Bond universe and wished to be like Bond, as he has said in countless interviews while talking about his love for the whole lore of entertainment Bond has given us.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2011 Posts: 15,716
    That's not what I meant by that. I'm saying it was likely for Craig to be sucked into the fantasy of the Bond universe and wished to be like Bond, as he has said in countless interviews while talking about his love for the whole lore of entertainment Bond has given us.
    Perhaps. But I still believe Craig didn't want to play Bond, as he didn't want to become a superstar that couldn't go outside without being recognized by everyone. Craig said so in interviews prior to CR that he loved being able to walk casually in the streets. I stand by my belief that Craig did not want to make a traditional Bond film, and that if the script wasn't up to his expectations, he would have walked. So, IMO, he cared more about the quality of the script than doing a Bond film. He only accepted the role and to be a superstar because he thought he was doing a great, if not one of the best Bond film of the franchise. He really didn't want to 'just' make another Bond film. He wanted to do one of the best outing. That is a noble cause, but not when you don't care about Bond first. He wanted to make the best outing than just doing a Bond film... Which is why I love more Brosnan in that aspect, as his dream was to be James Bond. Maybe that caused him to accept all these rubbish scripts, but atleast he loved playing Bond from the get-go. Yes, maybe Craig is starting to warm up to playing Bond, but that wasn't the case during CR's production.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Alright DC, that's your opinion and I respect it.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    Maybe, but he didn't care about Bond's legacy when he first got the role. He was more interested in making a good film than a Bond film. He wanted to make a good film that happened to be James Bond.
    Actually his quote when asked about the film was "I am concentrating on making a good film, the Bond stuff takes care of itself.."

    Which is exactly what happened with CR.

    He did ask to see the CR script before agreeing and was quoted as "I was surprised by the quality...i was expecting just another actioner.."

    What is so great about being a fan first? That can lead to lassitude in the case of Brozzer who I think got abit lazy and complacent in the role. He brought nothign new to the table. And the scripts got tailored to his louche way of playing it and went downhill.

    And as I said he is starting to warm to the role and I bet has a sense of proprietorialness by the end of his tenure. Which is natural. And we are talking about Bond now. Not the Craig at the start of CR. This forum isnt equipped with a time machine.

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Just to note before playing Bond in Casino Royale Craig has said he not only read all of the novels but also watched all the films as he wanted to "immerse" himself "in it as much as possible". This also led to him evaluating them and wanting to throw all the past performances of Bond away and do somthing new. He has said he's taken a lot away from Connery's films which Connery has said is understandable as it's "all there to see".
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    And we are talking about Bond now. Not the Craig at the start of CR. This forum isnt equipped with a time machine.
    That makes absolutly no sense.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    And we are talking about Bond now. Not the Craig at the start of CR. This forum isnt equipped with a time machine.
    That makes absolutly no sense.
    Unfortunately, so does your quote about CR being indistinguishable from other action films. How do you continually gloss over all the Bondian elements of the last two movies in this post and recognize them in others? Sorry, but a lot of what you say is still not very well thought out and appears to be chatter for the sake of chatter.


  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Unfortunately, so does your quote about CR being indistinguishable from other action films.
    Because... you don't agree with my views ?

    Sorry, but a lot of what you say is still not very well thought out and appears to be chatter for the sake of chatter.
    SORRY that English isn't my first language...
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    DC, your English is fine and I'm sorry that you feel that is an issue with me, because it is not. Again, what I question is how you focus only on certain things in CR and QOS and judge the movies without looking at the bigger picture. There are lots of examples of Bondian behavior that clearly distinguish them from Bourne, etc. They are showing Bond's beginnings and how he got to be Bond. You can't expect full blown Bond nor fairly compare them with the other films on that basis.

    I read what you have said about the upcoming film and this is another example of where you are on the wrong track, freedom of speech aside. You are already making assumptions and forming opinions on things that haven't happened. I absolutely respect your passion for the series, as this is what ties all of us here together as Bond brothers and sisters. If you were one of two guys that needed to be saved, and the other guy hated Bond, I'd save you first. So what I am saying is, take some time to think about what you've previously said before you go and contradict yourself, because it doesn't make you look very good. Remember that quantity isn't always quality. Take it as friendly advice from a guy old enough to be your father and a fan who was there when the original (no Barry Nelson jokes please) was in place.

  • timmertimmer
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    Craig does not seem terribly attached to the legacy. He's part of the re-boot.
    The character, to a certain extent is being re-defined by Craig and Babs and guest filmmakers such as Haggis, Forster and presumably Mendes .
    We've got snatches of the old Bond so far but Craig's two films were primarily origins films. Who knows where he plans on going with the character. I don't think he wants to be burdened by Sean's legacy but there is no need to be dissing either Sean or Broz in public. How about some professional respect for not only your peers but the franchise itself, which was well established and hugely successfull before the "Craig era" happened upon us.
    Personally I don't like what Craig is doing so far. I don't like his Bond much.
    We'll just have to see where he goes with B23.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Wow. Did Craig really say he didn't like Connery?
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
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    Dislike Connery? Sacriledge!

    I would expect that Craig likes Dalton and Lazenby as his Bond is a combination of those two. Just my thoughts...
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I doubt he said that or at the very least I doubt he meant that.

    By the way, I think 4 out of 6 (or 7) of Connery's performances were really good while 4 out of 4 of Craig's performances were really good. If Craig does one more and he's as good in that one as in the other four, he may top Connery for me.

    Of course Dalton will always be my favourite Bond. ;-)
  • Dubble_uh_ohDubble_uh_oh
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    The North Korean president would make a great James Bond! I'm all for him!
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    He is on record in many interviews when asked, that Connery is his favourite and that Moore is his soft spot, as LALD was his first Bond film.

    So no, he didn't say that. He never said anything negative about any of them. Its not his way to bash other actors. The Cardashians, well that's another story ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote: »
    If you were one of two guys that needed to be saved, and the other guy hated Bond, I'd save you first.

    Ha ha! Bless you.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    He is on record in many interviews when asked, that Connery is his favourite and that Moore is his soft spot, as LALD was his first Bond film.

    So no, he didn't say that. He never said anything negative about any of them. Its not his way to bash other actors. The Cardashians, well that's another story ;)

    It does seem a bit out of character
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DarthDimi wrote: »

    Of course Dalton will always be my favourite Bond. ;-)

    You are a man of extremely refined taste sir.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Update

    Connery and Brosnan have been found dead in a mudpool, and Craig has been brought in for interrogation.
  • timmertimmer
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    This tempest is 4 years old

    Craig has since proven himself as a great James Bond IMO, so I don't care about what he may or may not have been blathering about way back.
  • Problem_EliminatorProblem_Eliminator Ojai, CA
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    IDC if he likes any of them, or if he has seen any of the movies as long as he does a good job himself.which he has.
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